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  posted on 12/8/2006 at 01:58 AM
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It looks like the sox may be trying to squeeze Boras a little bit:



Oh yeah, they've really been squeezing him so far. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Boros will just take his toys & play elsewhere.

 

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  posted on 12/8/2006 at 02:02 AM
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It looks like the sox may be trying to squeeze Boras a little bit:



Oh yeah, they've really been squeezing him so far. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Boros will just take his toys & play elsewhere.


yeah i know with Drew and Lugo he probably walked away with a little more money but i think the sox are trying to put the pressure on with Matsuzaka


In other baseball news the Braves got a terrific deal today trading Horacio Ramirez for Rafeal Soriano.

From when i've watched him Soriano could be a closer IMO

 

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  posted on 12/8/2006 at 02:23 AM
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yeah i know with Drew and Lugo he probably walked away with a little more money but i think the sox are trying to put the pressure on with Matsuzaka



Good luck, the BoSox already paid $51 million just for the rights to negotiate. Boros knows the pressures on le' hose rouge to sign Matsuzaka. Boros holds all the cards.

 

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  posted on 12/8/2006 at 08:03 AM
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yeah i know with Drew and Lugo he probably walked away with a little more money but i think the sox are trying to put the pressure on with Matsuzaka



Good luck, the BoSox already paid $51 million just for the rights to negotiate. Boros knows the pressures on le' hose rouge to sign Matsuzaka. Boros holds all the cards.


This is not correct. The Sox have not paid anything yet, in fact they didn't even have to put anything in escrow...they only pay the posting fee if they can sign him. Boras has very little leverage in this one. Matsuzaka is not a free agent, if wants to play in the majors in 2007 it is with the Red Sox or no one (if he doesn't sign then he under Japanese rules he would become a free agent in May of 2008). And it is NOT in his best interest to have to go back to Japan with his tail between his legs because $8 milliion per year (or whatever he were to turn down) was not enough...the Japanese media can be just as tough on a "greedy" player as any here in the US and over there it would be his fault, not the Red Sox, if a deal isn't done. Also, the Seibu Lions want that $51 million, they want this deal done and I'm sure are applying whatever pressure they can...they will not be happy if a deal is not done. There is also the risk of turning down the big bucks to go back to his paltry $2 million salary with the Lions only to get hurt and never see the big pay day. So yes, there is pressure on the Sox from the fans to get him signed, but there is just as much pressure on Boras/Matsuzaka as well.


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  posted on 12/8/2006 at 08:57 AM
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also the sox seem interested in Gagne



BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

 

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  posted on 12/8/2006 at 09:00 AM
Let the Sox have Gagne

If they sign him they all but sure to get Matsuzaka at a lower rate.

 

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  posted on 12/8/2006 at 10:49 AM
My son want to play in the NHL, but after seeing what some of these average pitchers are getting these days, I think I'll get him into baseball this summer

Case in point, the Cubs are willing to give Lilly $10mil a year This is for a guy whose at best a .500 pitcher, and was 3rd or 4th in the Blue Jays rotation.

And now the Jays may be shopping gold glover Vernon Wells in order to get another pitcher....but whose left?

Other than Barry Zito who looks to rake in the big bucks any day.

 

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  posted on 12/8/2006 at 11:47 AM
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Let the Sox have Gagne

If they sign him they all but sure to get Matsuzaka at a lower rate.


I don't think the Sox, if they sign Gagne, will immediately use him as the closer...... Supposedly he's seeking around 5 million a year..... thats laughable. If they sign him i see it as an incentive laden deal within the 2 million range and they see what he does in the 'pen.

 

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  posted on 12/8/2006 at 01:34 PM
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Let the Sox have Gagne

If they sign him they all but sure to get Matsuzaka at a lower rate.


I don't think the Sox, if they sign Gagne, will immediately use him as the closer...... Supposedly he's seeking around 5 million a year..... thats laughable. If they sign him i see it as an incentive laden deal within the 2 million range and they see what he does in the 'pen.


He already reportedly turned down an offer in the $3-$4 million range guaranteed plus incentives to stay with the Dodgers, so I doubt he'd take anything less from the Sox. He essentially hasn't pitched in 2 seasons and hasn't even been able to start throwing yet this off season so why anyone would take a risk on this guy, especially to sign him and immediately pencil him in as your closer, is beyond me. He's sort of in the same boat Nomar was the last few seasons...everyone thinks your injury prone and in decline so need to take a one year deal for short guaranteed money and incentives, prove you still have it, then sign a big contract after that.

 

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  posted on 12/8/2006 at 07:00 PM
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Source: Pettitte to Yankees with one-year, $16M deal


Many thought Andy Pettitte should have never left New York. It looks like that issue has been rectified.

The left-hander and the Yankees have reached an agreement on a one-year deal that will pay him $16 million in 2007 with a player option for 2008, sources close to the negotiations told ESPN The Magazine's Buster Olney on Friday.

The player option for 2008 is also at $16 million. Pettitte must pass a physical for the agreement to be finalized.

Pettitte decided Wednesday that he would pitch next season rather than retire, a move that set off negotiations with his hometown Houston Astros and the Yankees.

ESPN.com's Jayson Stark reports that Pettitte would have taken $14 million to stay with the Astros, who did not move from their $12 million offer for 2007.

Pettitte pitched for the Yankees from 1995-2003, helping New York win four World Series and six AL pennants. He spent the last three seasons with the Astros, who reached the World Series for the first time in 2004.

Pettitte was 14-13 with a 4.20 ERA in 35 starts for the Astros last season. His decision to leave the Yankees in 2003 also caused New York teammate Roger Clemens to put off retirement and sign with the Astros.

In New York, Pettitte would join a rotation that includes Chien-Ming Wang, Mike Mussina and Randy Johnson.

Pettitte helped the Yankees win four World Series titles, and Yankees general manager Brian Cashman acknowledged that players from that era hold a special appeal for the team's fans.

"There's no doubt there's a love affair for some of these players that will last for a lifetime, and you've seen that obviously when some of these guys return to our park in another uniform -- or guys that have been playing with us still," Cashman said.

















 

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  posted on 12/8/2006 at 10:39 PM
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Source: Pettitte to Yankees with one-year, $16M deal


Many thought Andy Pettitte should have never left New York. It looks like that issue has been rectified.

The left-hander and the Yankees have reached an agreement on a one-year deal that will pay him $16 million in 2007 with a player option for 2008, sources close to the negotiations told ESPN The Magazine's Buster Olney on Friday.

The player option for 2008 is also at $16 million. Pettitte must pass a physical for the agreement to be finalized.

Pettitte decided Wednesday that he would pitch next season rather than retire, a move that set off negotiations with his hometown Houston Astros and the Yankees.

ESPN.com's Jayson Stark reports that Pettitte would have taken $14 million to stay with the Astros, who did not move from their $12 million offer for 2007.

Pettitte pitched for the Yankees from 1995-2003, helping New York win four World Series and six AL pennants. He spent the last three seasons with the Astros, who reached the World Series for the first time in 2004.

Pettitte was 14-13 with a 4.20 ERA in 35 starts for the Astros last season. His decision to leave the Yankees in 2003 also caused New York teammate Roger Clemens to put off retirement and sign with the Astros.

In New York, Pettitte would join a rotation that includes Chien-Ming Wang, Mike Mussina and Randy Johnson.

Pettitte helped the Yankees win four World Series titles, and Yankees general manager Brian Cashman acknowledged that players from that era hold a special appeal for the team's fans.

"There's no doubt there's a love affair for some of these players that will last for a lifetime, and you've seen that obviously when some of these guys return to our park in another uniform -- or guys that have been playing with us still," Cashman said.




















 

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  posted on 12/8/2006 at 11:33 PM
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Source: Pettitte to Yankees with one-year, $16M deal


Many thought Andy Pettitte should have never left New York. It looks like that issue has been rectified.

The left-hander and the Yankees have reached an agreement on a one-year deal that will pay him $16 million in 2007 with a player option for 2008, sources close to the negotiations told ESPN The Magazine's Buster Olney on Friday.

The player option for 2008 is also at $16 million. Pettitte must pass a physical for the agreement to be finalized.

Pettitte decided Wednesday that he would pitch next season rather than retire, a move that set off negotiations with his hometown Houston Astros and the Yankees.

ESPN.com's Jayson Stark reports that Pettitte would have taken $14 million to stay with the Astros, who did not move from their $12 million offer for 2007.

Pettitte pitched for the Yankees from 1995-2003, helping New York win four World Series and six AL pennants. He spent the last three seasons with the Astros, who reached the World Series for the first time in 2004.

Pettitte was 14-13 with a 4.20 ERA in 35 starts for the Astros last season. His decision to leave the Yankees in 2003 also caused New York teammate Roger Clemens to put off retirement and sign with the Astros.

In New York, Pettitte would join a rotation that includes Chien-Ming Wang, Mike Mussina and Randy Johnson.

Pettitte helped the Yankees win four World Series titles, and Yankees general manager Brian Cashman acknowledged that players from that era hold a special appeal for the team's fans.

"There's no doubt there's a love affair for some of these players that will last for a lifetime, and you've seen that obviously when some of these guys return to our park in another uniform -- or guys that have been playing with us still," Cashman said.























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  posted on 12/9/2006 at 01:32 AM
Apparently the Sox have lost interest in Gagne....

ESPN Rumor Central had this to say:

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Dec 7 - Closer Eric Gagne spurned an offer to stay with the Dodgers and will shop around for a better deal, the Los Angeles Times reports. Gagne's agent, Scott Boras, turned down a guaranteed one-year, $4-million offer with incentives that could have increased the value to $10 million.

Although the Dodgers don't appear willing to increase the offer, Boras plans to speak to GM Ned Colletti again before Gagne signs with another team. The market for Gagne has increased to more than $5 million guaranteed, with the same kind of incentives L.A. is offering.



for some reason it sounds like Boras isn't too confident that he can stay healthy

 

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  posted on 12/9/2006 at 09:10 AM
Damn He should of taken that deal! Unless the incentives were unrealistic or I think you might have hit the nail right on the head Rob!

 

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Source: Pettitte to Yankees with one-year, $16M deal


Many thought Andy Pettitte should have never left New York. It looks like that issue has been rectified.

The left-hander and the Yankees have reached an agreement on a one-year deal that will pay him $16 million in 2007 with a player option for 2008, sources close to the negotiations told ESPN The Magazine's Buster Olney on Friday.

The player option for 2008 is also at $16 million. Pettitte must pass a physical for the agreement to be finalized.

Pettitte decided Wednesday that he would pitch next season rather than retire, a move that set off negotiations with his hometown Houston Astros and the Yankees.

ESPN.com's Jayson Stark reports that Pettitte would have taken $14 million to stay with the Astros, who did not move from their $12 million offer for 2007.

Pettitte pitched for the Yankees from 1995-2003, helping New York win four World Series and six AL pennants. He spent the last three seasons with the Astros, who reached the World Series for the first time in 2004.

Pettitte was 14-13 with a 4.20 ERA in 35 starts for the Astros last season. His decision to leave the Yankees in 2003 also caused New York teammate Roger Clemens to put off retirement and sign with the Astros.

In New York, Pettitte would join a rotation that includes Chien-Ming Wang, Mike Mussina and Randy Johnson.

Pettitte helped the Yankees win four World Series titles, and Yankees general manager Brian Cashman acknowledged that players from that era hold a special appeal for the team's fans.

"There's no doubt there's a love affair for some of these players that will last for a lifetime, and you've seen that obviously when some of these guys return to our park in another uniform -- or guys that have been playing with us still," Cashman said.














I second that




Maybe the pinstripes will bring him back to form, but 2 of his 3 years in Houston were just mediocre...14-13 with an ERA over 4 and a career high 27 HRs allowed last year in the pitcher-friendly NL. And for that he gets rewarded with $16 million.

The Yankees rotation could probably get a group endorsement deal with Geritol.

 

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  posted on 12/9/2006 at 06:19 PM
dems fightin words:

Sox Fire Back: Did Grady Little Tamper With Manny Ramirez?
From the Boston Herald


If the Los Angeles Dodgers want to play rough with the Red Sox [team stats] and file tampering charges with Major League Baseball regarding the signing of outfielder J.D. Drew [stats], the National League club should expect an immediate flurry of counterpunches.
According to a story in yesterday’s New York Times [NYT], the Dodgers are so disgruntled about losing Drew to the Sox that they are considering formally taking the issue up with MLB, alleging that general manager Theo Epstein enticed the outfielder into exercising his right to void the final three years (and $33 million) on his contact in November. Drew signed a five-year, $70 million deal with the Red Sox on Tuesday.

Should the Dodgers opt to take action, however, the Sox may respond with as many as three tampering charges against Los Angeles, according to a source close to the situation, including one involving attempts to contact Manny Ramirez [stats]. The other two pertain to the Dodgers allegedly contacting two Sox front office employees about potential jobs without seeking permission from the team.
“There’s a lot of animosity between the organizations right now for a lot of reasons, but if (the Dodgers file tampering charges), they better realize that they’re coming right back at them,” the source said.

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It is believed Little and/or Jauss even phoned a Sox employee in search of Ramirez’ current phone number. While they were rebuffed, an associate of Ramirez told a Sox official that the player had spoken with one of them. There was no confirmation of that conversation, however.

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The Drew situation undoubtedly strained relations. Epstein, who unsuccessfully attempted to sign Drew when he was a free agent after the 2004 season, has repeatedly denied having any contact with him or his agent, Scott Boras, before he became a free agent on Nov. 10.

 

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  posted on 12/9/2006 at 07:45 PM
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Now the Yankees can pay about $25 million for Clemens. Maybe he can duplicate last season, 19 starts, 7 wins. I am sure Torre wants a player with his own set of team rules as well.


Clemens only won 7 games because the Stros cant hit.

And for the record.. I dont think he is coming back to NY.

Though I wouldnt be against it.

 

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  posted on 12/9/2006 at 09:31 PM
Go Phillies we got the best of the bunch Freddy Garcia!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

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  posted on 12/9/2006 at 11:20 PM
Makes ya wish I was like that with the Yanks, eh?

 

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  posted on 12/9/2006 at 11:30 PM
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Makes ya wish I was like that with the Yanks, eh?


No.






You sure bout that?

 

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Makes ya wish I was like that with the Yanks, eh?


No.






You sure bout that?





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  posted on 12/9/2006 at 11:36 PM
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Go Phillies we got the best of the bunch Freddy Garcia!!!!!!!!!!!!



Phillybob makes his first of many pro-Phillies posts. They are plentiful in the winter and spring, slow down a bit in June and July and are non-existent in August as the Phillies fall out of yet another race.


Well it's better that my O's. We're usually out by May.

 

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Phillybob makes his first of many pro-Phillies posts. They are plentiful in the winter and spring, slow down a bit in June and July and are non-existent in August as the Phillies fall out of yet another race.


Well it's better that my O's. We're usually out by March


 

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  posted on 12/9/2006 at 11:41 PM
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I can't believe thta, after all you said when he left, that you want Clemens back. Personally, I don't think he is worth the hassles he creates


With the rotaton the Yanks have right now, I dont care of they sign Satan himself.
They need HELP

Wang
Pettitte
Moose ( sometimes)


and then pray for rain.

 

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I can't believe thta, after all you said when he left, that you want Clemens back. Personally, I don't think he is worth the hassles he creates


With the rotaton the Yanks have right now, I dont care of they sign Satan himself.
They need HELP

Wang
Pettitte
Moose ( sometimes)


and then pray for rain.



Most teams have that same problem. I can't think of any team that has 5 solid starters.


Guess you have a point there.

At least with Roger we KNOW is a hired gun, and has been since he left Boston.
If he can help us win the WS, then I am cool with that. Its not like he is like Sammy* or Barry* now


But again, I do not think he is comig back to NY. I think he may 'dabble" in the idea, but go back to Houston... Or just stay home for good.

I was more pissed when Andy left, because he could have been the best Yankee pitcher ever ( stat wise anyway) And one of the few starters that was "home grown"

I just hope he stays healthy

 

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