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  posted on 1/12/2007 at 04:04 PM
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Hehe....... so the Dodgers have decided to turn right field pavilion into all you can eat seats......... $40 a pop.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2728273


anybody think this is worth it? The left field pavilion seats are $10.


If there were $10 before, that's $30 more. Definitely worth it if you plan to eat the food (if the food prices compare to Fenway, it doesn't take much to nget to $30). Looks like they will still have $10 if you don't want the all you can eat deal.

Sounds like a good place for Weight Watchers, Jenny Craig, Richard Simmons, etc. to put billboards...


When i went to Chavez Ravine last year i think i spent in the neighborhood of $20-$30 on concessions but of course about $13 of that was beer....... which is not included in the "all you can eat".

Last year I believe these seats were $6

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  posted on 1/12/2007 at 07:26 PM
Damn you have to eat a lot of hot dogs for that price. Is it a buffet or a window?

Some how I do not see this going to work out to well unless you can order a bunch at once.

 

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  posted on 1/12/2007 at 11:10 PM
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Why would a TEAM accomplishment (winning the series) affect a vote for an INDIVIDUAL achievement honor (HOF)?

Maybe the HOF should only include Yankees lol




Yankee fans think that everyone who puts on a Yankee uniform deserves to be in. When Thurman Munson died, Yankee fans and officials were clamoring to have the 5 year rule waived so that Munson could be inducted immediately. Cooler heads prevailed and it never happened. Now some fans (sorry Wharfy ) are calling for Mattingly to be inducted. No way, he was good but not great. Who is next? Bernie Williams?


No...Tito

BTW, isn't the 5 year rule waived in case of death, ala Clemente?

 

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  posted on 1/12/2007 at 11:12 PM
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Why would a TEAM accomplishment (winning the series) affect a vote for an INDIVIDUAL achievement honor (HOF)?

Maybe the HOF should only include Yankees lol




Yankee fans think that everyone who puts on a Yankee uniform deserves to be in. When Thurman Munson died, Yankee fans and officials were clamoring to have the 5 year rule waived so that Munson could be inducted immediately. Cooler heads prevailed and it never happened. Now some fans (sorry Wharfy ) are calling for Mattingly to be inducted. No way, he was good but not great. Who is next? Bernie Williams?


 

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  posted on 1/12/2007 at 11:14 PM
I will say this though.. I dont see anyone ever wearing #51 for the Yanks again..

 

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Why would a TEAM accomplishment (winning the series) affect a vote for an INDIVIDUAL achievement honor (HOF)?

Maybe the HOF should only include Yankees lol




Yankee fans think that everyone who puts on a Yankee uniform deserves to be in. When Thurman Munson died, Yankee fans and officials were clamoring to have the 5 year rule waived so that Munson could be inducted immediately. Cooler heads prevailed and it never happened. Now some fans (sorry Wharfy ) are calling for Mattingly to be inducted. No way, he was good but not great. Who is next? Bernie Williams?


No...Tito

BTW, isn't the 5 year rule waived in case of death, ala Clemente?


It was waived for Clemente because he was an obvious Hall of Fame candidate. Munson obviously wasn't.


Yes, but Clemente died in '72, Munson in '79.

 

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  posted on 1/12/2007 at 11:22 PM
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I will say this though.. I dont see anyone ever wearing #51 for the Yanks again..


Why? He was a good player, but nothing special. All you need to do is have a couple of good years and the Yankees retire your number. It loses value when a team does it as often as the Yankees do it.


I dont see anyone out there right now ( other then Reggie) that doesnt deserve it.

Besides, there are plenty of numbers under 100 left

And its not always about stats.

[Edited on 1/13/2007 by WharfRat]

 

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  posted on 1/12/2007 at 11:24 PM
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I will say this though.. I dont see anyone ever wearing #51 for the Yanks again..


Why? He was a good player, but nothing special. All you need to do is have a couple of good years and the Yankees retire your number. It loses value when a team does it as often as the Yankees do it.


I know one thing........ I don't see #13 being retired at yankee stadium anytime soon

 

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I will say this though.. I dont see anyone ever wearing #51 for the Yanks again..


Why? He was a good player, but nothing special. All you need to do is have a couple of good years and the Yankees retire your number. It loses value when a team does it as often as the Yankees do it.


I know one thing........ I don't see #13 being retired at yankee stadium anytime soon



Maybe for Jim Leyritz

 

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Thurman did not have Hall of Fame numbers, but he was a Hall of Fame Player.
You show me another catcher who hit .300, drove in 100 RBI's with less than 20 Homeruns..3 yrs in a row!!!.
Bottom Ninth, 2 outs, tying run on 3rd..who do you want up?
Thurman would come before half the players in the HOF in many eyes..not just mine.

 

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  posted on 1/12/2007 at 11:26 PM
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I will say this though.. I dont see anyone ever wearing #51 for the Yanks again..


Why? He was a good player, but nothing special. All you need to do is have a couple of good years and the Yankees retire your number. It loses value when a team does it as often as the Yankees do it.


Agreed. It cheapens the honor.

Pretty soon they'll run out of numbers an start issuing numbers in triple digits.

 

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  posted on 1/12/2007 at 11:27 PM
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  posted on 1/12/2007 at 11:28 PM
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I will say this though.. I dont see anyone ever wearing #51 for the Yanks again..


Why? He was a good player, but nothing special. All you need to do is have a couple of good years and the Yankees retire your number. It loses value when a team does it as often as the Yankees do it.


I dont see anyone out there right now ( other then Reggie) that doesnt deserve it.

Besides, there are plenty of numbers under 100 left

And its not always about stats.

[Edited on 1/13/2007 by WharfRat]


It shouldn't be about popularity.


That is part of it, I admit.

It is also about class. The guy busted his ass, day in and day out. Never a complaint.
Unfortunately, that is a rare thing today

I see that in one fo your Mets right now ( Wright)

 

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Why would a TEAM accomplishment (winning the series) affect a vote for an INDIVIDUAL achievement honor (HOF)?

Maybe the HOF should only include Yankees lol




Yankee fans think that everyone who puts on a Yankee uniform deserves to be in. When Thurman Munson died, Yankee fans and officials were clamoring to have the 5 year rule waived so that Munson could be inducted immediately. Cooler heads prevailed and it never happened. Now some fans (sorry Wharfy ) are calling for Mattingly to be inducted. No way, he was good but not great. Who is next? Bernie Williams?


No...Tito

BTW, isn't the 5 year rule waived in case of death, ala Clemente?


It was waived for Clemente because he was an obvious Hall of Fame candidate. Munson obviously wasn't.


Yes, but Clemente died in '72, Munson in '79.


That's right. It was allowed for Clemente as a one time deal. It isn't automatically done. Sometimes you need to put some time between the players untimely death and voting to allow his career to be looked at in a more objective way. 5 years after Thurman's death, that is exactly what happened.


Pardon me, but that's a load of BS. You can't make an exception for one player & not allow others. Clemente was great, but not any more than other greats.

 

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I will say this though.. I dont see anyone ever wearing #51 for the Yanks again..


Why? He was a good player, but nothing special. All you need to do is have a couple of good years and the Yankees retire your number. It loses value when a team does it as often as the Yankees do it.


Agreed. It cheapens the honor.

Pretty soon they'll run out of numbers an start issuing numbers in triple digits.




Giambi is big enough.. He can be the first #100 Uni... LOL!

 

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  posted on 1/12/2007 at 11:33 PM
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Thurman did not have Hall of Fame numbers, but he was a Hall of Fame Player.
You show me another catcher who hit .300, drove in 100 RBI's with less than 20 Homeruns..3 yrs in a row!!!.
Bottom Ninth, 2 outs, tying run on 3rd..who do you want up?
Thurman would come before half the players in the HOF in many eyes..not just mine.



11 seasons, 113 home runs, 701 rbi's, .292 ba


3 seasons don't make a career.



As much as I loved Thurm, he wasnt a HOF'er

A great Yankee?? YES.

Deserving of a retired number?? YES.

A HOF player?? no.

 

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  posted on 1/12/2007 at 11:34 PM
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Why would a TEAM accomplishment (winning the series) affect a vote for an INDIVIDUAL achievement honor (HOF)?

Maybe the HOF should only include Yankees lol




Yankee fans think that everyone who puts on a Yankee uniform deserves to be in. When Thurman Munson died, Yankee fans and officials were clamoring to have the 5 year rule waived so that Munson could be inducted immediately. Cooler heads prevailed and it never happened. Now some fans (sorry Wharfy ) are calling for Mattingly to be inducted. No way, he was good but not great. Who is next? Bernie Williams?


No...Tito

BTW, isn't the 5 year rule waived in case of death, ala Clemente?


It was waived for Clemente because he was an obvious Hall of Fame candidate. Munson obviously wasn't.


Yes, but Clemente died in '72, Munson in '79.


That's right. It was allowed for Clemente as a one time deal. It isn't automatically done. Sometimes you need to put some time between the players untimely death and voting to allow his career to be looked at in a more objective way. 5 years after Thurman's death, that is exactly what happened.


Pardon me, but that's a load of BS. You can't make an exception for one player & not allow others. Clemente was great, but not any more than other greats.



BS or not, that is what was done. How many players died while active players? And of those few, how many were HOF'ers? I think you could count them on two fingers.



Clemente had 3000 hits, thats a HOF lock.

Unless you gamble a lttle bit

 

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Why would a TEAM accomplishment (winning the series) affect a vote for an INDIVIDUAL achievement honor (HOF)?

Maybe the HOF should only include Yankees lol




Yankee fans think that everyone who puts on a Yankee uniform deserves to be in. When Thurman Munson died, Yankee fans and officials were clamoring to have the 5 year rule waived so that Munson could be inducted immediately. Cooler heads prevailed and it never happened. Now some fans (sorry Wharfy ) are calling for Mattingly to be inducted. No way, he was good but not great. Who is next? Bernie Williams?


No...Tito

BTW, isn't the 5 year rule waived in case of death, ala Clemente?


It was waived for Clemente because he was an obvious Hall of Fame candidate. Munson obviously wasn't.


Yes, but Clemente died in '72, Munson in '79.


That's right. It was allowed for Clemente as a one time deal. It isn't automatically done. Sometimes you need to put some time between the players untimely death and voting to allow his career to be looked at in a more objective way. 5 years after Thurman's death, that is exactly what happened.


Pardon me, but that's a load of BS. You can't make an exception for one player & not allow others. Clemente was great, but not any more than other greats.



BS or not, that is what was done. How many players died while active players? And of those few, how many were HOF'ers? I think you could count them on two fingers.

Doesn't matter. How many HOF'er retired while active? It's a ridiculous question. It's silly to argue about it. What's the difference between a bad injury or a death? How many went out on a 'high' note? Even Ruth didn't. They all leave the game sometime or other, timely or untimely.

To say Clemente deserved it because he died and the rule should be waived just for him is nothing more than pandering to the 'flavor of the day'. Don't get me wrong, I think Clemente has HOF'er credential, just that they shouldn't have waived the rule for him any more than for Munson or anyone else.

 

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  posted on 1/12/2007 at 11:55 PM
I prefaced my Posting with...Munson does not have Hall of Fame Numbers, so no one is arguing he belongs, but he played like a Hall of Famer. The HOF voting is a crock anyway. These writers once they get a vote..never lose it!! Not even after they retire. They get to vote on players they never see. Beat writers who cover one team, gets to vote on players from the other league..it's a joke. If they don't like you, your off their ballot, they make it personal! And when they decided to let HOF players vote with the Veteran's committee, they decided noone was as good as them and No one got in off that list. One time Vote..You get in..or you don't. Your retired..what can you possibly do to get in now? have someone lobby for you..wait for your buddies to get on commitee (ala Rizzutto..hate to admit it..but if Pee wee is in..Phil gets in..he got the rings) Mantle only got 85% of the vote. Dimaggio didn't get in first ballot!!! Ripken was a compiler, but Gwynn should have gotten %100 of the vote, but no one does. I'm supposed to take these guys serious?!. )
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You show me another catcher who hit .300, drove in 100 RBI's with less than 20 Homeruns..3 yrs in a row!!!.
Bottom Ninth, 2 outs, tying run on 3rd..who do you want up?
Thurman would come before half the players in the HOF in many eyes..not just mine.



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Doesn't matter. How many HOF'er retired while active?



All of them except for Clemente.


That's my point. Why make an exception for him? Why not wait 5 years like everyone else? Was he so much more exceptional than anyone else? No. Why is Clemente so much more deserving than anyone else? Because he died?

 

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Doesn't matter. How many HOF'er retired while active?



All of them except for Clemente.


That's my point. Why make an exception for him? Why not wait 5 years like everyone else? Was he so much more exceptional than anyone else? No. Why is Clemente so much more deserving than anyone else? Because he died?



Listen, I didn't say whether it was right or wrong, but I understand the feeling.

1. He was an obvious HOF'er

2. He was never going to play again.




Neither was Cy Young when he was elected.

 

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Doesn't matter. How many HOF'er retired while active?



All of them except for Clemente.


That's my point. Why make an exception for him? Why not wait 5 years like everyone else? Was he so much more exceptional than anyone else? No. Why is Clemente so much more deserving than anyone else? Because he died?



Listen, I didn't say whether it was right or wrong, but I understand the feeling.

1. He was an obvious HOF'er

2. He was never going to play again.




Neither was Cy Young when he was elected.



that made no sense at all.


I claim a foul! You're expecting me to make sense?!!!

Cy Young was dead when he was elected. He couldn't come back either.

 

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Why would a TEAM accomplishment (winning the series) affect a vote for an INDIVIDUAL achievement honor (HOF)?

Maybe the HOF should only include Yankees lol




Yankee fans think that everyone who puts on a Yankee uniform deserves to be in. When Thurman Munson died, Yankee fans and officials were clamoring to have the 5 year rule waived so that Munson could be inducted immediately. Cooler heads prevailed and it never happened. Now some fans (sorry Wharfy ) are calling for Mattingly to be inducted. No way, he was good but not great. Who is next? Bernie Williams?






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I dont see anyone out there right now ( other then Reggie) that doesnt deserve it.

Besides, there are plenty of numbers under 100 left

And its not always about stats.

[Edited on 1/13/2007 by WharfRat]

I have to agree that all those retired numbers seem to be legit, except for Reggie, so I can't see where the Yanks have cheapened the accomplishment. The hard fact is that they've had that many great players over the years. (OMG, Wharfy's right!)

Reggie - HOF? absolutely. Retired number? Seems like a stretch with only 5 years even with the impact he had in October.

Munson - Retired number? Might be a stretch but I can understand it given his sudden departure. HOF? no

Clemente - 1st round HOF? abosolutely, but should have waited five years. What could possibly have been gained by short-circuiting the process? Why not just vote Roger in there now, then he wouldn't retire until he was 55!

 

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Why would a TEAM accomplishment (winning the series) affect a vote for an INDIVIDUAL achievement honor (HOF)?

Maybe the HOF should only include Yankees lol




Yankee fans think that everyone who puts on a Yankee uniform deserves to be in. When Thurman Munson died, Yankee fans and officials were clamoring to have the 5 year rule waived so that Munson could be inducted immediately. Cooler heads prevailed and it never happened. Now some fans (sorry Wharfy ) are calling for Mattingly to be inducted. No way, he was good but not great. Who is next? Bernie Williams?






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I dont see anyone out there right now ( other then Reggie) that doesnt deserve it.

Besides, there are plenty of numbers under 100 left

And its not always about stats.

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I have to agree that all those retired numbers seem to be legit, except for Reggie, so I can't see where the Yanks have cheapened the accomplishment. The hard fact is that they've had that many great players over the years. (OMG, Wharfy's right!)

Reggie - HOF? absolutely. Retired number? Seems like a stretch with only 5 years even with the impact he had in October.

Munson - Retired number? Might be a stretch but I can understand it given his sudden departure. HOF? no

Clemente - 1st round HOF? abosolutely, but should have waited five years. What could possibly have been gained by short-circuiting the process? Why not just vote Roger in there now, then he wouldn't retire until he was 55!


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