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  posted on 11/23/2006 at 11:35 AM
Just picked up Brothers and Sisters on vinyl and noticed that the cover does'nt mention Jelly Jelly. there are 7 tunes on the record yet only 6 on the cover. did they add Jelly Jelly after the covers were printed? Also who are the kids on the cover?
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  posted on 11/23/2006 at 12:49 PM
Mine has it but when Capricorn went bankrupt and the German Company that invested in it took control(polydor) varrious things began to happen. I have a single cover of DA anthoiogy" best of" that says Duane sings on "Don't keep me wondering." also the early cd releases from polydor are awful comapared to the new re- mastered ones.

Jelly Jelly was orginally going to be a song that the band had done live over the years"outskirts of town" a SB williamson song also made famous by Mose Alllison . They could not come to terms on how it sounded in the studio.

That's Vaylor trucks (butch's kid)on the front amd Berry's daughter on the back.

 

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  posted on 11/23/2006 at 02:14 PM
I pulled out my copy that was purchased in 1973.

The cover does not have Jelly Jelly on it, but inside there is a sheet with the credits on it and Jelly Jelly is listed.

 

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  posted on 11/23/2006 at 02:18 PM
I just looked at my copy . . . which is an original Capricorn issue that I bought when it was released back in 1973 . . . and there is no track listing on the cover what-so-ever.

All tracks are listed on the centre label on each side of the LP however.

 

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  posted on 11/23/2006 at 02:24 PM
I seem to have the same original Capricorn issue as Colin with the serial number ''CAPRICORN SUPER 2429 102 with the paper insert.
 

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  posted on 11/23/2006 at 03:58 PM
the paper insert with my LP does not have Jelly Jelly, but does have 'early morning blues".
Is this another name for Jelly Jelly?

 

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  posted on 11/23/2006 at 04:21 PM
The label on mine has CP 0111 (s40,412 & 413) 412 is side one 413 two.

scratched into the band between the last song & the label, T1 (or 2 depeinding on the side) CP-011 40413 (or 40412 depending on the side) -RE-1-1G

 

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  posted on 11/23/2006 at 04:37 PM
Another thing I just remembered . . . my copy had a beer mat inside with a picture od a peach sliced in half in the middle and "The Allman Brothers Band" "Brothers and Sisters" written around the outside in a circle.

 

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  posted on 11/23/2006 at 04:43 PM
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the paper insert with my LP does not have Jelly Jelly, but does have 'early morning blues".
Is this another name for Jelly Jelly?
"Jelly Jelly" by the ABB borrowed lyrics from several old blues songs and probably has some original words by Gregg mixed in too. It must have presented a problem for music publishing and paying royalties on a big selling record such as Brothers and Sisters.

 

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  posted on 11/23/2006 at 06:23 PM
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the paper insert with my LP does not have Jelly Jelly, but does have 'early morning blues".
Is this another name for Jelly Jelly?
"Jelly Jelly" by the ABB borrowed lyrics from several old blues songs and probably has some original words by Gregg mixed in too. It must have presented a problem for music publishing and paying royalties on a big selling record such as Brothers and Sisters.


There are quite a few songs I've heard them do that have that problem.

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  posted on 11/23/2006 at 06:50 PM



That line in Jelly Jelly that goes "It stormed and started rainin" or whatever the exact line is, always strikes me as a Stormy Monday ripoff. I am saying that Jelly Jelly sounds too much like Stormy Monday. And Jelly Jelly is not on the back cover of my lp either.

 

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  posted on 11/23/2006 at 07:25 PM
I have the Capricorn CP0111 gatefold release

it doesn't list Jelly Jelly on the back of the gatefold.
It list the other six tracks in small yellow lettering.

The insert lists "Early morning blues" with Gregg having the writing Credit.
But the LP label lists the song as "Jelly Jelly" and writing credits for Trade Martin


I also have a Polydor LP release CPN 0111(non gatefold) and it has the Credits for Jelly Jelly on the back cover.
Along with the other six songs.


The Polydor Release has these Credits.

"Jelly Jelly"
Trade Martin, Lollipop Music Corp, BMI
Gregg Allman - Vocal and organ
Richard Betts - Lead guitar
Lamar Williams - Bass
Chuck Leavell - Piano
Butch Trucks - Drums, percussion and congas
Jaimoe - Drums

 

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  posted on 11/23/2006 at 07:51 PM
I have the Capricorn CP0111


It doesn't list Jelly Jelly... in looking at this album it's nostalgic ... remembering how I use to study that picture of the ABB family and wished somehow I knew them..and in a way felt I really did... What a great group of people.....

 

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  posted on 11/23/2006 at 07:58 PM
I thought that was Jessica Betts on the back of B & S....

My copy didn't list JJ on the LP cover either, but I remember an extra tune listed on the sleeve-can't remember if it was listed as JJ or Early Morning Blues. What Gregg was singing Jelly Jelly though.

Man, I remember how excited I was when that record came out. I had JUST gottten into the ABB when EAP was released and then discovered LAFE, only to get totally bummed out when I realized how great Duane was and that we had lost him. There was a lot trepidation prior to the release of B & S, many fans didn't think the ABB could survive without Duane and there seemed to be a collective holding of the breath. I can still actually remember dropping that album on the turntable for the first time and hearing Wasted Words roar out of the speakers with Dickey playing that killer slide riff and Chuck just pounding the sh!t out of the piano, which really added to their sound. They responded to the challenge and came out with guns blazing, proving without a doubt that they were still alive with a capital A. And then Ramblin' man hit the airwaves and the rest is history.

Rarely has a band had so much at stake and produced better under pressure than the ABB did with Brothers and Sisters. It is a monumental achievement, IMHO.

[Edited on 11/24/2006 by brofan]

 

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  posted on 11/24/2006 at 03:53 AM
Hey Rich . . . I'm pretty sure that the lovely little girl on the cover of Brothers and Sisters is Brittany Oakley . . . she posts here sometimes as "thedaughterofb"

 

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  posted on 11/24/2006 at 04:59 AM
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the paper insert with my LP does not have Jelly Jelly, but does have 'early morning blues".
Is this another name for Jelly Jelly?
"Jelly Jelly" by the ABB borrowed lyrics from several old blues songs and probably has some original words by Gregg mixed in too. It must have presented a problem for music publishing and paying royalties on a big selling record such as Brothers and Sisters.


Isn't this song a cover of Bobby Bland's Jelly Jelly Jelly, maybe with some of the lyrics changed? I can't remember off the top of my head, but sure they're very similar.

Bobby Bland also recorded Stormy Monday about the same time as Jelly Jelly Jelly which is referred to erroneously, then corrected by Duane on LAFE. He also recorded Turn On Your Lovelight about the same time.

 

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  posted on 11/24/2006 at 07:40 AM
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Bobby Bland also recorded Stormy Monday about the same time as Jelly Jelly Jelly which is referred to erroneously, then corrected by Duane on LAFE. He also recorded Turn On Your Lovelight about the same time.
Skyler, interesting point that Duane named both Bobby "Blue" Bland, who had a huge R&B-charting hit in 1962 with "Stormy Monday Blues," and the song's originator, T-Bone Walker, who first cut "Call It Stormy Monday" in the late 1940s.

I've seen Bobby a couple times, once on a bill with B.B. and the other time at the Chicago Blues Fest, the latter with Wayne Bennett on guitar (Wayne played rhythm and leads on a few classic Chicago blues sessions, like on some of Otis Rush's earliest tracks). Bobby's voice was just terrible--and has been for years, judging by recordings, with his growl having become a gross phlegm-clearing sound--but he was really something for quite a while. Check out his bio and string of hits:
http://home.earthlink.net/~v1tiger/bbbland.html

 

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  posted on 11/24/2006 at 08:41 AM
"Stormy Monday Blues" / "Jelly Jelly Blues" medley, Part 1

Billy, to add to what everyone's been posting for you, here is what's on my Brothers and Sisters album, which I bought when it first came out in 1973.

Capricorn CP 0111, like many of us.
Bill, mine has some of the same codes scratched into the vinyl by the label as yours, but a few differences: no "T1," but I have an "A" opposite the other codes; it's "A" on both sides. Also "Sterling" stamped in tiny letters near the "A." My longer code is like yours, except it ends differently: CP-0111 40412-RE-1-1B.

Small yellow letters on back:
Wasted Words
Ramblin' Man
Southbound
Jessica
Come and Go Blues (out of order)
Pony Boy

Label on disk:
4. JELLY JELLY (Trade Martin) 5:47
Lollipop Music Corp. - BMI

Unfortunately, the insert is long gone, but I recall there being something amiss with it when it came to "Jelly Jelly."

 

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  posted on 11/24/2006 at 08:55 AM
"Stormy Monday Blues" / "Jelly Jelly Blues" medley, Part 2

Many moons ago--before I knew it was wrong --I photocopied the entire Brothers and Sisters music book. It included both "Stormy Monday Blues" ("Words and Music by Earl Hines, Billy Eckstine and Bob Crowder") and "Jelly Jelly Blues" ("Words and Music by Earl Hines and Billy Eckstine"). The "Stormy Monday" part is what we hear in the beginning of the track, and the "Jelly Jelly" part rounds out the track. Also, the book has lyrics pages for both. So, I guess the track is a medley! Nice solo going out by Dickey, by the way! (He was going by "Richard" at the time.)

As for giving "Stormy Monday" writing credit to Hines, Eckstine, and Crowder, I don't know whether that's right or wrong. The copyright is given as 1962 by Advanced Music Corp. in the book, but that date doesn't mean anything. See excerpts at the bottom of this post regarding Hines and Eckstine doing this song before T-Bone Walker's version, which was recorded in mid-1947 in Hollywood. "Fatha" Hines was a great jazz pianist going back into the 1920s, and Billy "Mr. B" Eckstine was a singer and leader of a big jazz band for years before T-Bone, too.

I have an Eckstine double LP featuring tracks recorded from 1945 to '47. It has a "Jelly Jelly" from 1946.10.05. Writing credit goes to Hines and Eckstine; I don't know what happened to Trade Martin. There are 32 tracks on this album, but no "Stormy Monday." Billy, you could probably Google around and find one of those pages that gives a complete "Stormy Monday" history (who's this Crowder?) and even lists every significant version ever recorded, especially the early ones. {See last paragraphs of this post, after the Victrola.*}

Check out some of the personnel at Eckstine's "Jelly Jelly" session: Miles Davis, trumpet; Sonny Stitt, alto sax; Gene Ammons, tenor; Cecil Payne, bari; Tommy Potter, bass; Art Blakey, drums. Eckstine was long known as being a very progressive bandleader--especially considering that he was "just" a singer and this was a big band--giving the brightest players in his bands the chance to experiment with arrangements and solos.



Lucky Thompson, Dizzy Gillespie, and Charlie Parker with Billy Eckstine

Hines's and Eckstine's bands are most significant for bringing Dizzy Gillespie and Charlie Parker together for the first time; unfortunately, that was during the WWII recording ban (due mostly to union trouble, not to saving material for the war effort). It was almost immediately after leaving Eckstine's band, basically, that Bird and Diz began their historic small-group collaboration, which more or less coincided with the lifting of the recording band and marked the beginning of the bebop revolution.



* I'm reading more of the lengthy album notes by Ira Gitler, and I find these very interesting excerpts:

"In the Earl Hines band, where he had made his reputation in the years 1939-43, B [Billy] sang all kinds of material, but blues like 'Jelly, Jelly' and 'Stormy Monday' were his biggest hits. [So, T-Bone took the B hit and reworked the lyrics and title a little bit.] . . .

"Beyond that, he had taken up the trumpet, and together with Budd Johnson, at that time Hines's chief arranger, helped bring Parker, Gillespie, and other modernists into the band. On leaving Earl, he embarked on a career as a single, . . . but in 1944, under the sway of the new music, formed his band with Gillespie as musical director and Parker as the kingpin of the reeds. They recorded two dates for the Deluxe label that year, but Parker had already split to 52nd Street [emerging jazz club strip in New York], and Gillespie left in early 1945, soon to join Bird in their historic quintet at the Three Deuces [on the Street]."

 

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  posted on 11/24/2006 at 01:30 PM
Billy - something I found re: Brothers and Sisters ... Red Dog's recollection of the people on inside cover of Brothers and Sisters:

Who are the people inside the Brothers and Sisters album?
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Somebody ask me to name the people on the inside of Brothers and Sisters. I will give it a go. Everybody knows I can not spell good so you will have to do the best you can in picking up on the names, plus there are a couple that I can not remember. I should but thirty years is a long time. Standing left to right (back row). This is a friend of Jaimoe's. You will have to get him to tell you the name. I know he is a friend of Ela May Avery who is standing next to him. (Ela is the wife of Jackie Avery. A song writer and very good friend of Jaimoe's). Next to her is Brother Lamar Williams, then Mike Arts (Butch's brother-in-law at that time), Joan Callahan with Rachel, Mike Callahan, Mike's dog, Jaimoe, Charles Binyoun ( not sure of the spelling). Next row. Brother Butch with Vaylor, Scott Boyer, Linda Trucks with Melody, I can't remember the lady's name but Butch can tell you. Brother Chuck Leavell, my god child Brittany Oakley standing between Chuck and Linda Oakley, Linda is sitting next to Chuck, between her and brother Twiggs is Judy Petty, she was going with brother Twiggs at that time. Candy Oakley, Brother Kim Payne, in front of Kim is Kay Phillips holding Tuffy's daughter, sitting next to Brother Tuffy Phillips, behind Tuffy and next to Kim is Buffalo Evan's lady at that time (I should remember her name but it just will not come to me), next to her is The Buffalo, sitting next toTuffy is Brother Gregg, then my wife Bunkie, Brother Willy Perkins is next to Buffalo, I am next with Sandra Perkins between me and Brother Dickey, then Brother Joe Dan. In front of Gregg is Janis Allman with her daughter. Sitting dead center is Dareing Howl. Dareing is a good friend of Gregg's. Dickey's dog is in front of Dareing. Hope this helps.

 

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  posted on 11/24/2006 at 01:47 PM
my copy is numbered 47 507

 

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  posted on 11/24/2006 at 05:08 PM
Thanks for all the info. Enjoyed reading all the posts.
listening to Jessica at this very moment!!! great tune on a great album.
Man, I love the ABB... and Guinness. and holiday weekends.

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  posted on 11/24/2006 at 07:25 PM
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Hey Rich . . . I'm pretty sure that the lovely little girl on the cover of Brothers and Sisters is Brittany Oakley . . . she posts here sometimes as "thedaughterofb"


Right you are, Colin....not sure where I heard it was Jessica. See you in NYC in March!

 

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  posted on 11/24/2006 at 07:35 PM
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the paper insert with my LP does not have Jelly Jelly, but does have 'early morning blues".
Is this another name for Jelly Jelly?

Early Morning Blues was going to appear on the album, but was removed very late in the game and replaced with Jelly Jelly. That's where the confusion comes from: some versions of the album were printed with Early Morning Blues on the listing, others had it deleted but not replaced. [that's all per Midnight Riders]

 

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  posted on 11/24/2006 at 07:52 PM
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The label on mine has CP 0111 (s40,412 & 413) 412 is side one 413 two.

scratched into the band between the last song & the label, T1 (or 2 depeinding on the side) CP-011 40413 (or 40412 depending on the side) -RE-1-1G


Mine is pretty much the same as yours Bill ,but side one has RE-1-1F and side two has RE--1-E

 

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