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  posted on 11/1/2006 at 08:05 PM
I started this rant in the thread Stones at the Beacon and decided to cut it out of there and start a new thread pasted here......sorry...

C'mon, I'm not ready to give up on Keith or any other member of the Stones.

What we all gotta remember is there is no real precedence for these guys...and The Who and Roger Waters and Floyd and any member of Zep that might get a hankering to tour and Clapton and members of the Dead and and and ......I'm sure I'm leaving someone off the list...

Oh I know, I know you say..what about Bo Diddley or BB King or Frank Sinatra or any other old black blues guy or hell, ANY musician / personality that has aged in front of our eyes yet continued to ply their craft gracefully...Bing Crosby, Bob Hope, Deano and Jerry Lewis...who you going to list as somewhat of a contemporary for a Big Time entertainer let's call them, that DIDN'T DIE YOUNG but continued to do their thing well into their golden years?

Who are their contemporaries?

So C'mon, let's just see where all our classic rockers take this thing. It may not be for everyone, some won't be able to stomach their heros getting older...I believe that is already upon us for some of these acts...think the Eagles, but again, that comment is totally subjective.

Post what you think, but I guess the point I'm trying to make is ... give them a break, don't trash these guys too much in the stuff they say, or their ticket prices or their attempt at something new. Hey, they're still doing it.
So please people and I include myself here, give our aging classic rockers a break when we review their shows or the fact that it seems that they are gouging us on ticket prices or the fact that they may or may not have any actual new material or have already done the "final / final" tour

 
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  posted on 11/1/2006 at 08:35 PM
Fair enough, I will not post any derogatory comments in the '07 Van Halen thread.

I think you're points are valid. Music is not made or played, to be bashed. Just turn a deaf ear if you don't like it.

 

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  posted on 11/1/2006 at 08:36 PM
I'm just glad to be alive to see them

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  posted on 11/1/2006 at 08:41 PM
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So C'mon, let's just see where all our classic rockers take this thing.

All the way to the bank?

If you like the music enough, the age of the players or the price of the tickets doesn't matter. (If you can afford them.) I disagree that I need to cut the Stones or The Two (err, Who - would you believe that was a real typo?) a break. They're charging people hundreds of dollars a show and I need to take it easy on them? Come on, let's have a little perspective, please. Noting that some of these guys are just cashing in, and haev been for a few decades, is not going to do them any harm. The Who in particular are pretty open about it.

 

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  posted on 11/1/2006 at 08:45 PM
I know this is totally subjective, but for me it depends on my perception of why they are still doing it. I admire it if it seems they are doing it because they are musicians and they are just compelled to do it. They have to create. They must make music. It's their life. The original ABB members, Dicky included, fall into this category. The other current members are in the same category, but at a different phase of their carreers. Ray Charles was in that category, also Sonny Rollins, Roy Haynes, Chico Hamilton, Tony Bennett, Bob Dylan, Hank Jones, Bonnie Bramlett, and many, many others, famous and not so famous. It shows in the music. It is responsive to the audience, spontaneous, energetic, and rich. I'll go out of my way to see these folks.

Others seem to be doing it for the money. The shows seem pre-packaged, inflexible, unresponsive, non-spontaneous. The Stones, The Who, Lynyrd Skynyrd, and many more, mostly famous, acts fall into this category for me. Again, this is my subjective opinion. These acts I don't waste my time on.

 

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  posted on 11/1/2006 at 08:54 PM
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I know this is totally subjective, but for me it depends on my perception of why they are still doing it. I admire it if it seems they are doing it because they are musicians and they are just compelled to do it. They have to create. They must make music. It's their life.


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The other current members are in the same category, but at a different phase of their carreers. Ray Charles was in that category, also Sonny Rollins, Roy Haynes, Chico Hamilton, Tony Bennett, Bob Dylan, Hank Jones, Bonnie Bramlett, and many, many others


John Mellencamp, Willie Nelson, Neil Young (Farm Aid plug) Hank Jr., Travis Tritt, Walylon, Johnny and Kris Kristopherson, The Hag, George Jones, Buck Owens.

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Others seem to be doing it for the money. The shows seem pre-packaged, inflexible, unresponsive, non-spontaneous....


Aerosmith, Queen, REO, Journey, anything Paul Rogers puts together, and I'm sorry to say, what remains of Pink Floyd...I'm in Roger's camp on that one.

Again, this is my subjective opinion. These acts I don't waste my time on.

 

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  posted on 11/1/2006 at 09:29 PM
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I know this is totally subjective, but for me it depends on my perception of why they are still doing it. I admire it if it seems they are doing it because they are musicians and they are just compelled to do it. They have to create. They must make music. It's their life. The original ABB members, Dicky included, fall into this category. The other current members are in the same category, but at a different phase of their carreers. Ray Charles was in that category, also Sonny Rollins, Roy Haynes, Chico Hamilton, Tony Bennett, Bob Dylan, Hank Jones, Bonnie Bramlett, and many, many others, famous and not so famous. It shows in the music. It is responsive to the audience, spontaneous, energetic, and rich. I'll go out of my way to see these folks.

Others seem to be doing it for the money. The shows seem pre-packaged, inflexible, unresponsive, non-spontaneous. The Stones, The Who, Lynyrd Skynyrd, and many more, mostly famous, acts fall into this category for me. Again, this is my subjective opinion. These acts I don't waste my time on.


My example of someone doing for the music is John Mayall, who I saw last year. The guy is 70+, put out a new record, and seems to have had as much fun performing as the audience did watching him. No greed for him, this was a small venue with $40 tickets, to see a legend that still rocks.

Same goes for Little Feat. They love to play and it shows.

I saw the Who back in the day in a college gym. I sure wouldn't pay their going rate to see them today.

And here's my "where are they now question": What is Grace Slick doing? She seems to be an example of someone who retired at the top of her game.

 

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I know this is totally subjective, but for me it depends on my perception of why they are still doing it. I admire it if it seems they are doing it because they are musicians and they are just compelled to do it. They have to create. They must make music. It's their life. The original ABB members, Dicky included, fall into this category. The other current members are in the same category, but at a different phase of their carreers. Ray Charles was in that category, also Sonny Rollins, Roy Haynes, Chico Hamilton, Tony Bennett, Bob Dylan, Hank Jones, Bonnie Bramlett, and many, many others, famous and not so famous. It shows in the music. It is responsive to the audience, spontaneous, energetic, and rich. I'll go out of my way to see these folks.

Others seem to be doing it for the money. The shows seem pre-packaged, inflexible, unresponsive, non-spontaneous. The Stones, The Who, Lynyrd Skynyrd, and many more, mostly famous, acts fall into this category for me. Again, this is my subjective opinion. These acts I don't waste my time on.


My example of someone doing for the music is John Mayall, who I saw last year. The guy is 70+, put out a new record, and seems to have had as much fun performing as the audience did watching him. No greed for him, this was a small venue with $40 tickets, to see a legend that still rocks.

Same goes for Little Feat. They love to play and it shows.

I saw the Who back in the day in a college gym. I sure wouldn't pay their going rate to see them today.

And here's my "where are they now question": What is Grace Slick doing? She seems to be an example of someone who retired at the top of her game.
What burns me about the MAYALL thing, EC played with his band and became bigger than him. Mayall plays small clubs while Clapton tours to huge arenas. I don't get it! As for Grace, Marty Ballin (sp) despised her drunkeness, which ruined her performances. She was out when Jefferson Starship emerged after awhile. And did you notice the male singer they added sounds like her voice?! Her vices caught up with her and naming her baby God, with a small "g" was crying out for help. As a female,,if I could sing, I would want to sound like her, Janis, or Annie Lennox!

 

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  posted on 11/1/2006 at 09:38 PM
You guys are giving lots of good examples that I totally agree with. Mayall, Neil, Kristopherson, etc. defintely.

Another person that was a great example of someone who played because he just had to is Townes Van Zant.

 

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Her vices caught up with her and naming her baby God, with a small "g" was crying out for help.

That was a prank she played on the press. The kid's name is China.

 

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My example of someone doing for the music is John Mayall, who I saw last year. The guy is 70+, put out a new record, and seems to have had as much fun performing as the audience did watching him. No greed for him, this was a small venue with $40 tickets, to see a legend that still rocks.



Wow ansnj, I couldn't agree with you more...John Mayall, a good ten years older than Mick and Eric and Pete and all them.

I will confess here that I have always had a thing for Grace Slick...as far as singing, Annie Lennox, great mention muzic10 I ... I peripherally enjoyed the Eurythmics but totally am on board with Annie Lenox solo material !

I wish I could locate a recording of Melissa Etheridge doing Janis and Piece of my Heart on some live TV thing about a decade ago. I saw that and Melissa sung her entire soul out that night.

Women rock singers...not many of 'em...Pat Benetar, Stevie Nicks, Joan Jett, Chrissie Hynde, Patti Smith, Patti Smythe...all of them! I'm leaving many off this list...Bonnie Raitt, Susan T.


 

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I know this is totally subjective, but for me it depends on my perception of why they are still doing it. I admire it if it seems they are doing it because they are musicians and they are just compelled to do it. They have to create. They must make music. It's their life. The original ABB members, Dicky included, fall into this category. The other current members are in the same category, but at a different phase of their carreers. Ray Charles was in that category, also Sonny Rollins, Roy Haynes, Chico Hamilton, Tony Bennett, Bob Dylan, Hank Jones, Bonnie Bramlett, and many, many others, famous and not so famous. It shows in the music. It is responsive to the audience, spontaneous, energetic, and rich. I'll go out of my way to see these folks.

Others seem to be doing it for the money. The shows seem pre-packaged, inflexible, unresponsive, non-spontaneous. The Stones, The Who, Lynyrd Skynyrd, and many more, mostly famous, acts fall into this category for me. Again, this is my subjective opinion. These acts I don't waste my time on.


My example of someone doing for the music is John Mayall, who I saw last year. The guy is 70+, put out a new record, and seems to have had as much fun performing as the audience did watching him. No greed for him, this was a small venue with $40 tickets, to see a legend that still rocks.

Same goes for Little Feat. They love to play and it shows.

I saw the Who back in the day in a college gym. I sure wouldn't pay their going rate to see them today.

And here's my "where are they now question": What is Grace Slick doing? She seems to be an example of someone who retired at the top of her game.


Grace Slick retired at the top of her game? Wasn't this abomination the end of her musical career:



 

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Her vices caught up with her and naming her baby God, with a small "g" was crying out for help.

That was a prank she played on the press. The kid's name is China.
Hi Marley!!! Since she's such a prankster,,,why stop there. China eh? did she dress it in a table cloth

 

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I know this is totally subjective, but for me it depends on my perception of why they are still doing it. I admire it if it seems they are doing it because they are musicians and they are just compelled to do it. They have to create. They must make music. It's their life. The original ABB members, Dicky included, fall into this category. The other current members are in the same category, but at a different phase of their carreers. Ray Charles was in that category, also Sonny Rollins, Roy Haynes, Chico Hamilton, Tony Bennett, Bob Dylan, Hank Jones, Bonnie Bramlett, and many, many others, famous and not so famous. It shows in the music. It is responsive to the audience, spontaneous, energetic, and rich. I'll go out of my way to see these folks.

Others seem to be doing it for the money. The shows seem pre-packaged, inflexible, unresponsive, non-spontaneous. The Stones, The Who, Lynyrd Skynyrd, and many more, mostly famous, acts fall into this category for me. Again, this is my subjective opinion. These acts I don't waste my time on.


My example of someone doing for the music is John Mayall, who I saw last year. The guy is 70+, put out a new record, and seems to have had as much fun performing as the audience did watching him. No greed for him, this was a small venue with $40 tickets, to see a legend that still rocks.

Same goes for Little Feat. They love to play and it shows.

I saw the Who back in the day in a college gym. I sure wouldn't pay their going rate to see them today.

And here's my "where are they now question": What is Grace Slick doing? She seems to be an example of someone who retired at the top of her game.
What burns me about the MAYALL thing, EC played with his band and became bigger than him. Mayall plays small clubs while Clapton tours to huge arenas. I don't get it! As for Grace, Marty Ballin (sp) despised her drunkeness, which ruined her performances. She was out when Jefferson Starship emerged after awhile. And did you notice the male singer they added sounds like her voice?! Her vices caught up with her and naming her baby God, with a small "g" was crying out for help. As a female,,if I could sing, I would want to sound like her, Janis, or Annie Lennox!


The difference is Mayall stayed where he was- always ahead of the curve, playing music before it got popular enought to fill arenas, while Clapton chose what's popular and what sells. But in defense of Clapton, he is still good at what he does, compared to what lots of people say about the Stones and the Two.

And Mayall is still promoting lesser known talent. His guitar player Buddy Whittington really smokes. He would do very nicely on stage with the Allmans

 

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  posted on 11/1/2006 at 11:13 PM
Wow, I agree with you again...Clapton is still very real.

C'mon admit it, Pete Townshend is too...

You don't like...what...the high ticket prices? What?

Relevant...who?


 

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If aging rockers want to continue to produce music and tour, I say all the power to them. If they still fill arenas (The Stones, The Who, Eric Clapton), good for them. If they are playing nightclubs (Nazareth, Blue Oyster Cult, etc), then that's fine too. If you still like them, then go see them. If you don't, stay home.

Some of the aging rockers, IMHO, still put on a great show and are worth every dime they are charging. I think the Stones still put on a great show, and obviously millions of others do too as they fill arenas and stadiums. Others, IMHO, are still good but I don't care to pay big dollars to see them anymore (Eric Clapton for example). Others just plain suck (CCR immediately comes to mind), but some people are still paying money to see them for some reason. Who am I to tell them they should stop touring, even if I don't like them anymore? I think the only exception to this are bands where there are no original members anymore (or just one) such as Molly Hatchet, The Little River Band, Thin Lizzy, and Little Feat. I think these bands are deceptive and most of the people seeing them don't know what they are seeing.

On a related note, has anyone here seen Slade in the last few years? I've been wondering if they are any good anymore.

 

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Molly Hatchet, The Little River Band, Thin Lizzy, and Little Feat. I think these bands are deceptive and most of the people seeing them don't know what they are seeing.


Yes, alot of bands are still doing it. My buds just saw Blue Oyster Cult in Canton, Ohio of all places.

Hey, they gotta pay their health insurance also!

 

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My second sacrilege of the day: the reason John Mayall plays small clubs is that....he is rather unremarkable. He is a solid blues player but for the most part, his own music (AND I HAVE BOUGHT A TON OF IT, EVERY SCRAP THAT CONTAINS TAYLOR, GREEN, or CLAPTON, and HE KEEPS MILKING IT) is just average blues. It gets kicked up a notch by the players he has with him. Without them, he would not add up to much more than any other mid-level bar-playing blues guy, IN my opinion. He's like a George Thoroughood with excellent taste in sidemen!
 

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My second sacrilege of the day: the reason John Mayall plays small clubs is that....he is rather unremarkable. He is a solid blues player but for the most part, his own music (AND I HAVE BOUGHT A TON OF IT, EVERY SCRAP THAT CONTAINS TAYLOR, GREEN, or CLAPTON, and HE KEEPS MILKING IT) is just average blues. It gets kicked up a notch by the players he has with him. Without them, he would not add up to much more than any other mid-level bar-playing blues guy, IN my opinion. He's like a George Thoroughood with excellent taste in sidemen!


Jim, I couldn't agree with you more....

Remember "Room To Move" ? I thought that was the ultimate harp song period.

 

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I'll take "Whammer Jammer" from J. Geils's "Full House" live album...
 

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Another great reference... J Geils, you aren't from the Midwest by any chance are you?
 

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What burns me about the MAYALL thing, EC played with his band and became bigger than him. Mayall plays small clubs while Clapton tours to huge arenas. I don't get it!

mick fleetwood and john mcvie played with mayall and are bigger than him and play to huge arenas. should we bash them too? clapton worked hard to get where he is.

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The difference is Mayall stayed where he was- always ahead of the curve, playing music before it got popular enought to fill arenas, while Clapton chose what's popular and what sells. But in defense of Clapton, he is still good at what he does, compared to what lots of people say about the Stones and the Two.

And Mayall is still promoting lesser known talent. His guitar player Buddy Whittington really smokes. He would do very nicely on stage with the Allmans


mayall has stayed where he is because he has always played the blues. blues has never appealed to the mass audience the way rock/popular music has. if mayall had hit songs 35, 40 years ago like "sunshine of your love" or "bell bottom blues" he probably would be playing larger halls and not the smaller clubs he does. people forget (or want to overlook) what a groundbreaker clapton was at one time. when hendrix first came to england he wanted to meet clapton. most people's introduction to reggae music came via clapton's version of "i shot the sheriff". the list goes on. and as far as introducing lesser known talent - i think when his latest tour is over a whole lot of people will be remembering the name derek trucks.

 

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  posted on 11/2/2006 at 12:22 AM
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J Giles??!!! Now you're talkin! He is from the '60s and started as a Blues Trio. "The J Giles Trio Blues Band". Peter Wolf, being from the Bronx grew up on Blues/Soul Music and the greatest artists of that music. He ended up in Boston studying music. (and IMO if it wasn't for him,,,there would be no Stephen Tyler, lol ) Hearing of J Giles they got together with the trio and added Magic Dick on harmonica!!! Nobody comes close to his harp playing IMO! They also added horns on certain songs. Great mixing and producing.It seems that MTV ruined them, as they disbanded in '83 after "Centerfold" aired. Maybe they didn't want to listen to the Suits! I don't know what you would call their sound,,,funky soul rock!! Love that band. It would be great to have them back! "FREEZE FRAME"!!!!

 

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  posted on 11/2/2006 at 12:28 AM

J Giles??!!! Now you're talkin! It would be great to have them back!


i second that! saw wolf solo a couple of years ago and he still sounds great. miss the bad boys from bosstown! GEILS! WE ARE GONNA BLOW YOUR FACE OUT!

 

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I wish I could locate a recording of Melissa Etheridge doing Janis and Piece of my Heart on some live TV thing about a decade ago. I saw that and Melissa sung her entire soul out that night.


Seems that performance was from Woodstock '94, but it didn't make the disc, anyone remember??

But yes, Melissa sang her heart out. I've looked for that recording for years, finally gave up and had forgotten until you mentioned it in your post. It was quite popular on radio back then. I never understood why it wasn't available.

 

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