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  posted on 2/21/2003 at 07:14 PM
Rusty, I agree with you about always checking out the exits where you are....I travel alot on business...one of the things that I always check as Rusty says is the exit stairs from the floor that I am staying on...another thing that I do is to count the number of doors from my room to the exit door...I do that in case there is thick smoke and I have to crawl , I can count the doors and know when I reach the exit door...I will be doing that at the Beacon Hotel....

This is the 2nd club incident in a week...when the first occurred, my first thoughts was of my concern for my safety at Warren's Christmas Jam in Dec 2001....the security did nothing to keep the crowd from having the aisles filled...my friends and I located the closest exit in case something had occurred, which thank goodness it did not.

We all need to be aware of our surroundings at all times , our survival may depend on it one day.

 

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  posted on 2/21/2003 at 08:31 PM
When I was in Houston, we had several small-time acts that used pyro. They had to test the stuff during the day to make sure it was a small enough "display" for the room. Of course we were a two-story club, and the stage ceiling was huge. We did, however, ignore the capacity rating on numerous occasions. We were rated for 850 people, and we sold 1500 tickets for Cheap Trick. The Houston Fire Marshalls were there to keep the stairways and aisles clear, but they sure didn't count heads. The Chicago incident was a little more familiar. I managed a club whose patrons were 99% African-American. It was all we could do to keep people from sneaking in the side doors and bringing in their own liqour. The biggest problem we had was folks opening emerg. exits to let their friends in without paying the cover charge. Half of the paid admissions didn't buy drinks at the bar, they snuck in their own! I can see why that Chicago club's owner may have (wrongly) locked or chained some exits.
No matter what the specifics, this is a huge tragedy for folks who were in the wrong place at the wrong time.

 

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  posted on 2/22/2003 at 01:01 AM
OWO, I agree with you man. If you watched the video, it looked like the lead singer could reach up and touch the ceiling with his hands. It's just retarded to try use pyro in a place like that. Another thing I didn't notice, or the news failed to mention, was that no one inside the place tried to extinguish the fire. There had to be some CO2 or water bottles around. I really hate it for all the families and friends, but the think the club and the band are going to lose alot of money or this one.

 

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  posted on 2/22/2003 at 03:50 PM
I'm sure that Butchboy didn't mean that the club owner and band "losing a lot of money" outweighed the seriousness of the loss of life and grief to the families of the victims.

The band's singer says that he had the permission of the club owner to use pyro in the show, something the club owner denies. I do wonder if there wasn't a "we're not giving you permission -wink, wink" type of agreement implied. Either way, you have to wonder about the sanity, or at least the common sense of anybody who would set off fireworks in a wood-framed building filled past legal capacity with people.

A lot of people have expressed shock that the building wasn't required to have a sprinkler system. You have to keep in mind that this building is over 60 years old. When it was built it was unfathomable that it would be used to house an indoor fireworks display.

I work with a lot of people in the building codes industry. A former city fire inspector told me that whenever there is an indoor show or assembly where pyrotechnics will be used, representatives from the fire marshal’s office (i.e. a fire inspector) will come out on the day of the show. At that time, samples of every type of pyrotechnical device that is to be used in the show will be detonated. Obviously if this had happened the only loss would have been the building, which was apparently constructed of matches.

I wonder what the ASTM or UL ratings for the wall coverings, curtains and ceiling tiles were? It's also interesting that two of the recent venues played by the band have complained that they used pyro without permission.

I predict that the following people will be named in lawsuits:

*the band (Great White) and their management;
*the club owner;
*the concert promoter;
*the manufacturer of the acoustic wall tiles;
*the manufacturer of the ceiling tiles; and
*the city of West Warick, RI.

In my opinion, the city of West Warwick bears the least amount of culpability. I apologize if my interest in this story seems morbid. I'm really just shocked and outraged over this.

God bless the victims, the survivors and their families. God help Great White and the owners of that club.

 

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  posted on 2/22/2003 at 07:30 PM
The recent club deaths reminds me of the close call I had in 1979. I was at the infamous Who concert here in Cincinnati. We had approached the main entrance after getting there early and for what ever eason decided to walk around to the side and see if we could get in through a side door. If we had waded in as we had planned in the front to the main entrance we would have been right in thick of it. Especially considering that we had a Mardi Gras under our belt and knew how to wade into a crowd and get to where we wanted to go effectively. We had planned to split up and charge in, but decided to go to the side doors at the last minute.

The concert was great, but halfway into it one of the guys I went with had a brother who worked the concession stands at the concert and he found us and said that the word was that 6 people had died out front. He was younger than us so we brushed it off as a rumour.But, you could tell that the Who's encore was not done with the same energy as the rest of the show, but we did not think nothing of it.

When we walked out of the concert we were confronted with TV cameras and lights everywhere. We just thought it was normal news fare. The bodies and area had long been cleaned up so there was no sign of the tragedy. We drove home listening to an 8-track, if I remember right, and did not turn on the radio. I lived in a bachelor pad with three other guys and the one friend of mine that did not go to the concert came running out of the house upset, saying how glad he as to see us. He then let us know what had happened.

The news of the tragedy was told on Monday Night Football that night and it was seen and heard about worldwide. As a result our house had phone calls coming in from all over. The phone rang off the hook. It was obvious that I would have went to the concert, and everyone's relatives called one after another, incessantly, to see if we were alright.The friend left at the house did not no if we were alright so everyone was worried a bunch. We each had to take turns answering the phone and calling everybody we knew to let them know we were still alive. Actually a couple of months before the Who concert was a Led Zeppelin concert where I thought it was going to happen then. The crush was unreal, my feet left the ground at times.

So, these recent events do make me remember my good fortune, close call, and the good folks that died from simply going to a concert.

Derek H

 

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  posted on 2/23/2003 at 02:43 PM
There is going to be a memorial service at the site of the disaster tonight for those who were lost. It is being called "Prayer Unplugged" and everyone was invited to bring an acoustic and play if they wish to do so. So if anyone not near there might want to participate, get out the acoustic tonight and play a little tune for those who have gone to fly with the Angels.

 

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  posted on 2/24/2003 at 09:01 AM
Just thought I would post this link of all the names of the people identified so far. So sad, it's such a awful awgul awful tradgedy. I am still and will forever be very saddened by this.

http://www.turnto10.com/news/1997901/detail.html

My heart goes out to everyone

 
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