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  posted on 9/21/2006 at 10:31 PM
I saw this cd available on ebay- I was wondering if anyone knew about it what the quality of the recording is?? Also if you guys had any inside information about the way Duane and Berry both died- I heard that they both died on motorcycles almost at the same intersection-Is this true did Duane really hit a peach truck?? Berry died a little while after that- also on a Motorcycle?? Any inside dirt- espiecally from the Georgia members is greatly apprieciated-Thanks.

 

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This is the kind of **** that happens when bands stop letting people trade their stuff on the net, we get some ass selling the ABB property on ebay.
I would report them to ebay for selling "bootlegs" and contact me for the show and I will mail you a copy.


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  posted on 9/21/2006 at 10:57 PM
Also, if its date of the show is 10/17/'71, it's obviously a bogus show using other days sources. 10/17/'71 is well known as his last gig.
Only recognized last Duane's recorded show is 10/15/'71 Syria Mosque, PA show.
If the show you seen is this date, you are able to get great Capt.Skipper remastered version at Trade section here.

Also for your question of Duane and Berry' death, it's true.
Duane died for motorcycle accident on 10/29/'71 and Berry died with same reason on 11/11/'72.


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  posted on 9/21/2006 at 11:14 PM
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This is the kind of **** that happens when bands stop letting people trade their stuff on the net, we get some ass selling the ABB property on ebay.
I would report them to ebay for selling "bootlegs" and contact me for the show and I will mail you a copy.


http://db.etree.org/Granaas6


The guy wanted 50 bucks for the cd


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  posted on 9/21/2006 at 11:15 PM
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Also, if its date of the show is 10/17/'71, it's obviously a bogus show using other days sources. 10/17/'71 is well known as his last gig.
Only recognized last Duane's recorded show is 10/15/'71 Syria Mosque, PA show.
If the show you seen is this date, you are able to get great Capt.Skipper remastered version at Trade section here.

Also for your question of Duane and Berry' death, it's true.
Duane died for motorcycle accident on 10/29/'71 and Berry died with same reason on 11/11/'72.


Thanks for the info!!!-Phil


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  posted on 9/22/2006 at 01:10 AM
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Also if you guys had any inside information about the way Duane and Berry both died- I heard that they both died on motorcycles almost at the same intersection-Is this true did Duane really hit a peach truck??
Phil, my info isn't inside, but I have visited the intersection where Duane's accident occurred. There is a lot of misinfo that sprang up around Duane's death, including very inaccurate accounts in music mags for years. Here are the facts.



Duane's accident occurred at Hillcrest & Bartlett, in the center of this map.
Berry's accident was on Napier at that bend just SE of center.


Duane was riding his motorcycle westbound on Hillcrest at a high rate of speed, with his girlfriend and Berry's sister, Candace, in a car trying to keep up behind. An eastbound truck started turning north onto Bartlett, across Duane's path. Duane didn't slow down enough, and the truck stopped in midturn because of rough pavement. Duane tried to get around to the left but probably struck a cable or a crane ball hanging off the back of the truck or the corner of the truck.



http://www.makemymodel.com/catalog/images/z_truck_flat_w_crane.JPG

It was not a peach truck, though the art and title of Eat a Peach led to this belief. It was a flatbed with a small crane. Maybe kinda like an old Chevy version of the truck above, only the crane had a ball on it.
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Berry died a little while after that- also on a Motorcycle??
Berry's accident took place just a quarter-mile southeast and 12 months and 13 days later. He was on a motorcycle, following Kim Payne, speeding eastbound on Napier. Berry couldn't handle the right bend Kim had just gone through, instead crossing the centerline and running into the side of a bus.

Something really strange on the map:
Candy Street is just 2 blocks N of Hillcrest & Bartlett.
Berry Street is just 2 blocks S of Napier & Bartlett.

 

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  posted on 9/22/2006 at 08:47 AM
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I saw this cd available on ebay- I was wondering if anyone knew about it what the quality of the recording is?? Also if you guys had any inside information about the way Duane and Berry both died- I heard that they both died on motorcycles almost at the same intersection-Is this true did Duane really hit a peach truck?? Berry died a little while after that- also on a Motorcycle?? Any inside dirt- espiecally from the Georgia members is greatly apprieciated-Thanks.


Duane DID NOT hit a Peach Truck. That is a sick Urban legend. And he did not actually hit the truck, he swerved to avoid it and the bike flew in the air and landed on him. Berry did hit a truck, not at the same intersection but nearby.


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  posted on 9/22/2006 at 11:28 AM
The title "Eat a Peach" came from an interview in which Duane was quoted as saying
....'eat a peach for peace'....shortened to EAP by Phil Walden I believe. Butch told that story some time back. Update?
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  posted on 9/22/2006 at 11:35 AM
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The title "Eat a Peach" came from an interview in which Duane was quoted as saying
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A radio interviewer asked Duane what he was doing to help the revolution. Duane responded something to effect, "Man, there's no revolution. Every time I'm in Georgia, I eat a peach for peace...the two legged kind." As told by Phil Walden.

 

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  posted on 9/22/2006 at 12:09 PM
Damn, I love Duane Allman!!!!!
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  posted on 9/22/2006 at 01:56 PM
PeteNelson, you have the truck turning north onto Bartlett; wasn't the truck turning left into the lumberyard?

That is quite a distance from Bartlett.

The reports always say Bartlett/Hillcrest, but police reports always state the 'nearest intersection'.

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  posted on 9/22/2006 at 05:08 PM
I can add some info to the truck debate. I grew up in
Macon ... was 17 when DA had his horrible accident. The
next summer ... of '72 ... I had a summer job with the
construction company that owned the truck. These are
the facts as I have always known them. The name of the
company and the driver exist in public record ... I'm not going
to name them here.
The truck had nothing to do with Marshal Lumber Co. ....
which was/is? just west of the intersection. PeterNelson is right...
the truck turned off of Hillcrest north into Bartlett St. ... because
it's destination was the constuction company's yard or shop. Look
at the Yahoo map ... the company was located on the corner of
Bartlett and the other street that parallels the railroad tracks ( I
don't remember the name of this street). This is where the truck
was heading that late Fri. afternoon ... back to base to park for the
weekend and to get a paycheck.
The company was general construction ... and they exist today and
have existed since the 1930's. Their specialty ( at least then ) was
pipeline construction. That particular summer I worked there we
were doing a water main extension project in Perry, GA ...about 25
miles south. PeterNelson is dead on about truck ...we called it the
boom truck ... but was probably about a late '60s year model. Have
you ever noticed how they prepare to do new water mains? They
stockpile the pipe at approximate intervals along the side of the
road ... then days later the crew comes through ...digging the trench
and laying the pipe. That is what the boom truck was used for ... to
hoist a length of pipe and lay it over into the ditch. I know for fact
this was the truck ... I both rode in and very occasionally drove it .

About the accident itself. I don't know as fact why the truck stopped
in midturn. I do know Bartlett is very narrow there.. the street was a
combo of industrial and dilapidated residential ( read shanty) ... curb
parking was the usual. I truly think he turned into the street ... and
1) had a very bad angle
2) encountered another car approaching or a parked car
3)maybe rough pavement.. but this truck wouldn't have shied from that..
plus it would have expected it because it traveled there every day
I don't believe DA's Harley hit the hook ... this would have been secured ...
usually hooked to the bumper area and then tension put on it.

I knew the driver ... we called him Chuck. Was about DA's age probably...
had a wife and kid ... clean-cut ... straight arrow type. He was a crew foreman.
Kinda quiet guy.... I'm sure he was tremendously affected by it all ... this was
only about 8 months after the accident. Who could have guessed that BO would
have a similar fate in just a few months ( he hit a city bus ).

There was some sort of settlement between the construction company and DA's
estate I believe ... insurance I guess .... is public record . Small $ amount if I remember
correctly ... something like $20,000

 

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  posted on 9/22/2006 at 05:15 PM
wow!! that was an incredible post! as painful as it is and WAS, it can be talked about. it happened and affectd us all in some way... some, who lived thru it, more so. i had heard the bike was an experimental model from harley. anyone know if there was any truth to that. also, while the next to last fillmore show (the saturday late show) remains the holy grail of shows, would i find some agreement that the october 17, 1971 show in maryland remains the 2nd holy grail for sentimental value if nothing else?
 

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  posted on 9/22/2006 at 05:17 PM
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PeteNelson, you have the truck turning north onto Bartlett; wasn't the truck turning left into the lumberyard?
I don't know, Dan. I've just read that it might have been a lumber (or "log") truck, but not that it was pulling into a lumberyard. I guess since the intersection is always named, I just assumed the N- (left-) turning truck was turning onto Bartlett. What can you tell me about this lumberyard and where you've seen or heard this?
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That is quite a distance from Bartlett.

The reports always say Bartlett/Hillcrest, but police reports always state the 'nearest intersection'.
So, the truck was turning into a lumberyard entrance west of Bartlett? How far? Interesting. The map shows open (industrial) areas NW of the intersection, and as I recall, everything E of the intersection was residential.

When I checked out the intersection in about 2000, I was with my brother, a nonmusic fan, and his son, so I felt a little rushed and didn't feel anything particularly spiritual or extra spooky about the site. I don't know whether this is a morbid question, but there wouldn't be a marker or memorial to Duane further down the street, would there? I find historical sites--not necessarily where something terrible like this happened--more meaningful than gravesites and didn't have much desire to enter Rose Hill.
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And he did not actually hit the truck, he swerved to avoid it and the bike flew in the air and landed on him.
Doug and Dan, let me quote from Scott Freeman's Midnight Riders, but please reply with contradictory info as you see fit:

"The bluecoats at the scene told reporters that Duane had avoided the truck and just lost control of his bike. But two eyewitnesses--Candace Oakley and Mike Kovar, who was driving a car that had been directly behind the truck--said later that Duane had collided with it."

The truck driver "told investigators that he hadn't seen the motorcycle coming when he'd started to make the left onto Bartlett Avenue, and there were huge potholes in front of him." (Freeman, p. 117)
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Berry did hit a truck, not at the same intersection but nearby.
Doug, Berry hit a Macon city bus. (Freeman, p. 139)

Snopes.com has a page on the peach truck myth. It mostly just quotes Freeman.
http://www.snopes.com/music/hidden/eatpeach.asp

This HTW site also deals just a little with the accident in the FAQ section:
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He swerved to avoid a flatbed truck that had pulled out in front of him from the oncoming lane and his bike went down on him as he tried to avoid the truck. The accident site is near the corner of Hillcrest and Bartlett.
http://www.allmanbrothersband.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=FAQ&file=inde x&myfaq=yes&id_cat=2#q24
You know what, guys: I may be passing through Macon in November, and maybe I should check things out again. I don't know whether Randy Poe's Duane bio will be out by then--that may help.

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  posted on 9/23/2006 at 12:17 AM
The lumberyard now has two entrances, one at Bartlett and one after Bartlett if you are travelling west. Don't know it that was the case in 1971. It has also been cited that Bartlett was a dirt road with a lot of potholes and that may be the reason the truck slowed to make the turn.

 

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  posted on 9/23/2006 at 02:44 PM
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A radio interviewer asked Duane what he was doing to help the revolution. Duane responded something to effect, "Man, there's no revolution. Every time I'm in Georgia, I eat a peach for peace...the two legged kind." As told by Phil Walden.


They usually leave off the ribald comment at the end.

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PeteNelson, you have the truck turning north onto Bartlett; wasn't the truck turning left into the lumberyard?
I don't know, Dan. I've just read that it might have been a lumber (or "log") truck, but not that it was pulling into a lumberyard. I guess since the intersection is always named, I just assumed the N- (left-) turning truck was turning onto Bartlett. What can you tell me about this lumberyard and where you've seen or heard this?
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That is quite a distance from Bartlett.

The reports always say Bartlett/Hillcrest, but police reports always state the 'nearest intersection'.
So, the truck was turning into a lumberyard entrance west of Bartlett? How far? Interesting. The map shows open (industrial) areas NW of the intersection, and as I recall, everything E of the intersection was residential.

When I checked out the intersection in about 2000, I was with my brother, a nonmusic fan, and his son, so I felt a little rushed and didn't feel anything particularly spiritual or extra spooky about the site. I don't know whether this is a morbid question, but there wouldn't be a marker or memorial to Duane further down the street, would there? I find historical sites--not necessarily where something terrible like this happened--more meaningful than gravesites and didn't have much desire to enter Rose Hill.
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And he did not actually hit the truck, he swerved to avoid it and the bike flew in the air and landed on him.
Doug and Dan, let me quote from Scott Freeman's Midnight Riders, but please reply with contradictory info as you see fit:

"The bluecoats at the scene told reporters that Duane had avoided the truck and just lost control of his bike. But two eyewitnesses--Candace Oakley and Mike Kovar, who was driving a car that had been directly behind the truck--said later that Duane had collided with it.

"Charles Wertz [the truck driver] told investigators that he hadn't seen the motorcycle coming when he'd started to make the left onto Bartlett Avenue, and there were huge potholes in front of him." (Freeman, p. 117)
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Berry did hit a truck, not at the same intersection but nearby.
Doug, Berry hit a Macon city bus. (Freeman, p. 139)

Snopes.com has a page on the peach truck myth. It mostly just quotes Freeman.
http://www.snopes.com/music/hidden/eatpeach.asp

This HTW site also deals just a little with the accident in the FAQ section:
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He swerved to avoid a flatbed truck that had pulled out in front of him from the oncoming lane and his bike went down on him as he tried to avoid the truck. The accident site is near the corner of Hillcrest and Bartlett.
http://www.allmanbrothersband.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=FAQ&file=inde x&myfaq=yes&id_cat=2#q24
You know what, guys: I may be passing through Macon in November, and maybe I should check things out again. I don't know whether Randy Poe's Duane bio will be out by then--that may help.


I think we will get the full authoritative story in Randy Poe's book.

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  posted on 9/25/2006 at 03:01 PM
Crosstownbar, I'm like CharlieO: What a story! Thank you for telling us all about your connections to this sad but important event and situation.
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I know for fact this was the truck ... I both rode in and very occasionally drove it.
Dang! Well, I guess we can't blame a machine for what happened.
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I don't believe DA's Harley hit the hook ... this would have been secured ...
usually hooked to the bumper area and then tension put on it.
This makes more sense. Otherwise, for Duane to have struck the ball and hook, they'd have to have been uncentered, and possibly swinging freely, as the truck drove through town.
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I knew the driver ... we called him Chuck. Was about DA's age probably...
had a wife and kid ... clean-cut ... straight arrow type. He was a crew foreman.
Kinda quiet guy.... I'm sure he was tremendously affected by it all ...
Poor Chuck! Just to give him a little more peace, I'm going to edit his name out of the account I was typing as you posted.
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I don't know whether Randy Poe's Duane bio will be out by then--that may help.
I think we will get the full authoritative story in Randy Poe's book.
Doug, that book is going to fill in lots of blanks and shed light onto many shadowy, poorly understood areas that are interesting to us, isn't it?

Thanks again, CTB. That's really something.

 

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That recorded show was not the last show. Duane played one more before going to
Macon. Ask Dick Boyden at the JFD about this. He was there.
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  posted on 10/13/2006 at 03:51 PM
To answer the question of the Harley Duane was riding on....

According to Freeman's book, it was a Harley-Davidson XLCH Sportster. An XLCH model was kick start only, and Duane apparently had 6 inch over front forks, giving it a chopper look. One thing about extended front ends...it changes the center of gravity of the bike, making the front end lighter. If he hit some bumps in the road during his maneuvers to avoid the boom truck, he might have had trouble with the front end bouncing up and down off the ground. If the front end was bouncing, he would have had trouble with steering and that's how he lost control.

By the way, my first bike was a '74 XLCH Sportster.

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To answer the question of the Harley Duane was riding on....

According to Freeman's book, it was a Harley-Davidson XLCH Sportster. An XLCH model was kick start only, and Duane apparently had 6 inch over front forks, giving it a chopper look. One thing about extended front ends...it changes the center of gravity of the bike, making the front end lighter. If he hit some bumps in the road during his maneuvers to avoid the boom truck, he might have had trouble with the front end bouncing up and down off the ground. If the front end was bouncing, he would have had trouble with steering and that's how he lost control.

By the way, my first bike was a '74 XLCH Sportster.

[Edited on 10/13/2006 by BigDaveOnBass]



In those days , Hillcrest was a concrete roadway .... is probably blacktop now.
That is a pretty steep hill Duane was coming down ... the intersection of
Bartlett is very close to where the hill suddenly bottoms and flattens
out . If you're coming down that hill at a pretty good clip ... as DA reportedly
was ... you would kinda get that "stomachy" feel as you bottom out. Would
prob be a bit of a thrill to hit it just right on a motorcycle on a good day.
But when he had to adjust his steering due to the truck ... and given the
fork setup BD on Bass describes .... and hitting that bit of dip in the road ...
well ... that was a bad recipe. I can close my eyes and still see that intersection .... coming down that steep hill... it flattens very briefly where the intersection crosses.... and then slightly downhill again for about 20 yards or so before it flattens out.

 

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To answer the question of the Harley Duane was riding on....

According to Freeman's book, it was a Harley-Davidson XLCH Sportster. An XLCH model was kick start only, and Duane apparently had 6 inch over front forks, giving it a chopper look. One thing about extended front ends...it changes the center of gravity of the bike, making the front end lighter. If he hit some bumps in the road during his maneuvers to avoid the boom truck, he might have had trouble with the front end bouncing up and down off the ground. If the front end was bouncing, he would have had trouble with steering and that's how he lost control.

By the way, my first bike was a '74 XLCH Sportster.

[Edited on 10/13/2006 by BigDaveOnBass]
Adding on...
Duane's Sportster was a 1969.

Berry's bike was a navy blue 1967 Triumph.

 

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