stonbw1
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posted on 9/20/2006 at 09:46 AM |
Why does it seem like the killer tunes off the most recent album are becoming increasingly rare at concerts. With the exception of an often vocally-fumbled "Old Before My Time", GREAT songs like Desdemona or High Cost of Low Living are rarely played. I mean no slight to Gregg, but it seems like unless Warren is leading vocals on the new tunes(i.e. Rocking Horse, Woman Across the River), they're not preferred. In fact, now Warren has taken over vocals on Maydell. Warren's voice is amazing, but does he have to sing every new song so we can hear them with some frequency? Is this a sign that Gregg is growing tired and doesn't want to focus on/remember new material or does the band just not like to play the new stuff? Any insight?
p.s.- Again, Gregg is great and no diss is meant, but as a younger listener, I LOVE the new material and look forward to seeing the band grow, rather than sit in the past.
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absnj
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posted on 9/20/2006 at 10:08 AM |
check the following thread for the frequency each song was played- Desdemona clocks in at six times this summer- that's not rare!! This song is home to a lot of good jams with special guests.
http://www.allmanbrothersband.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=XForum&file=v
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Rocking Horse made an appearance 10 times- a bit too much for me...
Given the breadth of the Allman's catalog, and their willingness to mix up the setlists,someone's favorite songs will always be under-played. ____________________
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dadof2boys
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posted on 9/20/2006 at 10:15 AM |
| stonbw1--as a very long time ABB fan--you're not wrong about the limited # of songs played from hittin the note--however the band has played many of these songs in concert both prior to the albums release & live many times after the release of the album(i guess the word album tells you i'm really an "old" fan!). Have faith--these songs,like many old, new & song covers tend to appear, leave for awhile & then reappear--peace ____________________
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davida
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posted on 9/20/2006 at 10:17 AM |
I certainly don't listen to or trade for every show, but from what I've heard, I agree to an extent. I can do without desdemona, 6 times a summer is plenty.
When the new album came out, it seems like every show I got my hands on had "High Cost". Now it's somewhat of a rarity. As is "Instrumental Illness" as far as I know.
It does seem like the warren songs are more frequent. Woman across the river seems to be on every show I get.
But I haven't checked the stats, so I could be wrong. I could definately handle some high cost more often. A great song IMO, and better than woman across the river.
But hell, there all good. I'll take what I can get whenever I get out to see them.
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EddieP
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posted on 9/20/2006 at 10:45 AM |
Just another example of how its IMPOSSIBLE to please everyone.
Everyone has a different take on what the perfect setlist is for their ultimate ABB show. Some want newer songs, some want classics, some want long jams, some want shorter songs, some want Warren to sing more, others want Warren to sing less, some like cool cover songs and others don't care for covers at all. Some even want Derek to...sing, dance and juggle at the same time 
...I personally am thankful the band is still around playing beautifully and doing lots of different songs...I love almost all of them. Give 'em a break.
"The Road goes on Forever"... until one day when its over for good. Enjoy it...
[Edited on 9/20/2006 by EddieP]
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ThePeteMan
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posted on 9/20/2006 at 10:50 AM |
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Just another example of how its IMPOSSIBLE to please everyone.
Everyone has a different take on what the perfect setlist is for their ultimate ABB show. Some want newer songs, some want classics, some want long jams, some want shorter songs, some want Warren to sing more, others want Warren to sing less, some like cool cover songs and others don't care for covers at all. Some even want Derek to...sing, dance and juggle at the same time
...I personally am thankful the band is still around playing beautifully and doing lots of different songs...I love almost all of them. Give 'em a break.
"The Road goes on Forever"... until one day when its over for good. Enjoy it...
[Edited on 9/20/2006 by EddieP]
Amen Eddie. That's the kind of good sense I'd expect from a fellow Mets fan!  ____________________
Bringin' It All Back Home, 1969 - 2009 ... and the road goes on forever ...
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dadof2boys
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posted on 9/20/2006 at 10:56 AM |
| you can't fault people for wishing for their favorite songs &we all can't get what we want all of the time--that's why it's worth sticking with great bands like ABB--you listen long enough you'll get what you need ____________________
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leftyblues
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posted on 9/20/2006 at 11:00 AM |
| i really love Hittin the Note..one of those rare albums that is a solid listen from beginning to end...but I agree with Eddie..the next ABB show I walk away from disappointed will be my first ____________________
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posted on 9/20/2006 at 11:01 AM |
| funny.... I say that about LCNMB shows too... ____________________
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MarkRamsey
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posted on 9/20/2006 at 11:08 AM |
| Agree with Eddie. Would be nice to hear Desdemona or High Cost alittle more. Same for Sailin'. ____________________
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dadof2boys
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posted on 9/20/2006 at 11:12 AM |
| i don't mean to be a trouble maker but iv'e seen well over,who can even remember,75-80 shows since the early 70's & there have been,albeit rarely,some pretty bad shows(think back to,i believe,to 79-80) but that reality,which is even rarer today, doesn't diminish my love, devotion or passion for the ABB! ____________________
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EddieP
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posted on 9/20/2006 at 11:26 AM |
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I really love Hittin the Note..one of those rare albums that is a solid listen from beginning to end...
I agree. I love Hittin The Note as well beginning to end.
When you really love a band as much as a lot of us love The ABB, It's the (((sound))) of the band that we LOVE. It's The way the instruments just all fit perfectly together and makes The ABB what they are and sound like they do - and NOBODY sounds like this collective group of musicians.
That being said...I wouldn't care if they played the entire HTN record all the way through start to finish at a show I was lucky enough to be at. That would suit me just fine. I also wouldn't care if they played all old stuff either - bring it on. IN fact, I wouldn't care if they just jammed free-form for 2 hours straight just to see what happens. I wouldn't care if they played a whole show of nothing but all the covers they have been doing for the past 5 years - I'll take it. The point is: I welcome it all! It is the ABB sound, energy and vibe that draws me in and keeps me there. There is no better live band out there and whatever they do is fine with me...it really is. Its as simple as that...
peace
[Edited on 9/20/2006 by EddieP]
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posted on 9/20/2006 at 11:29 AM |
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Just another example of how its IMPOSSIBLE to please everyone.
Everyone has a different take on what the perfect setlist is for their ultimate ABB show. Some want newer songs, some want classics, some want long jams, some want shorter songs, some want Warren to sing more, others want Warren to sing less, some like cool cover songs and others don't care for covers at all. Some even want Derek to...sing, dance and juggle at the same time
...I personally am thankful the band is still around playing beautifully and doing lots of different songs...I love almost all of them. Give 'em a break.
"The Road goes on Forever"... until one day when its over for good. Enjoy it...
[Edited on 9/20/2006 by EddieP]
Derek can juggle????
Cool. ____________________
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dadof2boys
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posted on 9/20/2006 at 11:33 AM |
| right on eddiep--you have HIT THE NOTE in capturing the ABB experience--its all inspiring ____________________
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posted on 9/20/2006 at 11:38 AM |
The record was a little played out between 2003 and 2005 which is understandable since it was new. This year they seem to have increased the frequency of some of the older classic songs and of course since 2005 have heavily re-introduced the Dickey penned songs like Revival and Jessica that had not been played as much. As for why they play Rocking Horse and WATR so much, it seems that Warren is slated to sing about 1/3 of the songs now and there is just not as much Warren material available from the group's catelog. The introduction this year of The Weight and the heavier rotation of Hoochie Coochie Man may lead to a reduction in RH and WATR. I would love it if they would bring back Mean Woman Blues, one of the few Warren vocals from the 90's albums. Warren and Derek could tear that one up.
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posted on 9/20/2006 at 11:43 AM |
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funny.... I say that about LCNMB shows too...
awwwwwwwwww 
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i don't mean to be a trouble maker but iv'e seen well over,who can even remember,75-80 shows since the early 70's & there have been,albeit rarely,some pretty bad shows(think back to,i believe,to 79-80) but that reality,which is even rarer today, doesn't diminish my love, devotion or passion for the ABB!
i missed that period ____________________
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posted on 9/20/2006 at 11:57 AM |
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funny.... I say that about LCNMB shows too...
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dadof2boys
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posted on 9/20/2006 at 12:05 PM |
| Lefty--given my love for ABB all i can say is you didn't miss much--there were afew good moments but the live shows from that era were not their best--peace! ____________________
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Marley
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posted on 9/20/2006 at 12:06 PM |
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check the following thread for the frequency each song was played- Desdemona clocks in at six times this summer- that's not rare!!
Six times in 28 shows, though? It's not never, but they used to play it more often than that.
The ABB played 44 shows this summer. Here's the count of HTN songs that I got from the setlist reports:
20 Woman Across The River
14 Rocking Horse
10 Desdemona
8 Maydell
7 Instrumental Illness
6 Old Before My Time
4 Who to Believe
4 Firing Line
3 The High Cost Of Low Living
Some of those songs have definitely gotten rare. Then again, they only played Mountain Jam 10 times and You Don't Love Me seven times. ____________________
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sixty8
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posted on 9/20/2006 at 12:44 PM |
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Just another example of how its IMPOSSIBLE to please everyone.
Everyone has a different take on what the perfect setlist is for their ultimate ABB show. Some want newer songs, some want classics, some want long jams, some want shorter songs, some want Warren to sing more, others want Warren to sing less, some like cool cover songs and others don't care for covers at all. Some even want Derek to...sing, dance and juggle at the same time
...I personally am thankful the band is still around playing beautifully and doing lots of different songs...I love almost all of them. Give 'em a break.
"The Road goes on Forever"... until one day when its over for good. Enjoy it...
[Edited on 9/20/2006 by EddieP]
I totally agree. As long as they mix up the setlists and the jams I am one happy dude. And when they execute the way they did during the 2006 Beacon run it is pure magic. The ABB at the Beacon has become a ritual that will be crushingly devastating when it's gone, so stop being so picky about setlists and enjoy the best live rock act around at the best venue.
Peace !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Pete
[Edited on 9/20/2006 by sixty8]
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dadof2boys
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posted on 9/20/2006 at 01:53 PM |
| good point! ____________________
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posted on 9/20/2006 at 02:20 PM |
| I for one welcome Woman Across the River at every show I go to, and I they played it at every show I've been at this year except the last Beacon show. It's a great song with the monster Warren/Derek conversation at the end...how can you go wrong with that? But on the other side, if I never heard or saw Desdemona or High Cost ever again live I definately would lose NO sleep at all. To me, Desdemona is a momentum killer everytime its played, and although High Cost is a beautiful song, it just doesn't do it for me live. It's too laid back. Also, if I never see Melissa live again I'd be a happy man. It's been played at every show I've seen this year except 1 or 2 and it's another momentum killer, sorry guys. ____________________
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posted on 9/20/2006 at 03:21 PM |
I'd love for 'Heart of Stone' to become a setlist regular. 'Who To Believe' too, for that matter.
[Edited on 9/20/2006 by PID08] ____________________
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EddieP
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posted on 9/20/2006 at 03:22 PM |
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I for one welcome Woman Across the River at every show I go to, and I they played it at every show I've been at this year except the last Beacon show. It's a great song with the monster Warren/Derek conversation at the end...how can you go wrong with that?
I definitely agree. That song has really grown on me and almost always love hearing it - especially Warren and Derek trading off at the end to create a monster jam ending.
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if I never heard or saw Desdemona or High Cost ever again live I definitely would lose NO sleep at all.
HOLY crap...I don't think I could disagree more with that statement. Both "Desdemona" and "High Cost" are right near the top for me of songs I could hear hear anytime, any place and to me are momentum builders, not killers. The Jazz break in the middle of "Desedemona" is one of coolest jams I can think of from their vast catalog. I'm a sucker for Jazz and its right up my alley - Psychedelic swing-Jazz at its finest. It's also a Gregg vocal showcase - beautiful, moving lyrics that are perfect for his range and phrasing. "High Cost" is also a great, almost autobigraphical song for Gregg. I love how Derek explodes at the end of his liquidy slide solo and then brings it on home for a sweet landing when he and Warren lock in on that little pentatonic riff. Both these tunes get my highest grade...and I bet a lot of folks would agree.
[Edited on 9/21/2006 by EddieP]
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posted on 9/20/2006 at 03:53 PM |
| Warren can belt it out, no doubt, but I really love hearing Greggs voice. Last March first time we Beacon'd Gregg sang The Weight and the next week Warren sang the song. Even though Gregg may have mixed up a line or two I'm still happier when he sings it ____________________
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