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  posted on 9/8/2006 at 07:59 AM




http://www.theusversusjohnlennon.com/site/

There is a new documentry about the FBI's investigation of John Lennon's "activiities"

Its amazing that Nixon ( and others) thought that John was such a threat.

Cant wait for this one


Be warned though. In the trailer, there is a deroggatory comment about our current " President" and a GULP........ Yoko sighting



[Edited on 9/8/2006 by WharfRat]

 

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  posted on 9/8/2006 at 08:11 AM
Give Me Some Truth
John Lennon



I'm sick and tired of hearing things
From uptight, short-sighted, narrow-minded hypocritics
All I want is the truth
Just gimme some truth

I've had enough of reading things
By neurotic, psychotic, pig-headed politicians
All I want is the truth
Just gimme some truth

No short-haired, yellow-bellied, son of tricky dicky
Is gonna mother hubbard soft soap me
With just a pocketful of hope
Money for dope
Money for rope

No short-haired, yellow-bellied, son of tricky dicky
Is gonna mother hubbard soft soap me
With just a pocketful of soap
Money for dope
Money for rope

I'm sick to death of seeing things
From tight-lipped, condescending, mama's little chauvinists
All I want is the truth
Just gimme some truth now

I've had enough of watching scenes
Of schizophrenic, ego-centric, paranoiac, prima-donnas
All I want is the truth now
Just gimme some truth

No short-haired, yellow-bellied, son of tricky dicky
Is gonna mother hubbard soft soap me
With just a pocketful of soap
It's money for dope
Money for rope

Ah, I'm sick and tired of hearing things
from uptight, short-sighted, narrow-minded hypocrites
All I want is the truth now
Just gimme some truth now

I've had enough of reading things
by neurotic, psychotic, pig-headed politicians
All I want is the truth now
Just gimme some truth now

All I want is the truth now
Just gimme some truth now
All I want is the truth
Just gimme some truth
All I want is the truth
Just gimme some truth



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  posted on 9/8/2006 at 12:08 PM
Thanks for the heads up Wharfy! This will be a treat....
 

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  posted on 9/8/2006 at 12:10 PM

 

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  posted on 9/8/2006 at 10:14 PM
Love John Lennon... thanks Wharfy

 

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  posted on 9/8/2006 at 10:22 PM
All we are saying, is give Peace a chance...



Whoo Hoo....more bucks for Yoko!

 

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  posted on 9/8/2006 at 10:24 PM
Yoko's cat. Always a treat....
 

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  posted on 9/8/2006 at 10:37 PM

 

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  posted on 9/9/2006 at 12:23 AM
Still no theatre listings for this.. I would get miceelf to NYC if need be to see this thing

 

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  posted on 9/9/2006 at 03:12 PM
Watched the trailer; broke out in goosebumps, a hot sweat and nauseous. No kidding. I should be a real treat to go to the theater with for this one.
I always had this notion that Lee Harvey Oswald and Mark David Chapman had more in common than we would ever want to imagine.
Didn't mean to say that. Imagine, I mean. The word is too magical to be used in this sordid context.

 

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  posted on 9/9/2006 at 09:11 PM
Heres the trailer. Looks great

http://www.apple.com/trailers/lions_gate/theusvsjohnlennon/large.html

 

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  posted on 9/9/2006 at 09:50 PM
plan to see this movie--i'm a friend of john's lawyer who represented him at the time---leon wildes

 

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  posted on 9/9/2006 at 10:35 PM
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  posted on 9/10/2006 at 07:25 PM
Here is an interesting Email I received today..


John Lennon, Still a Security Threat
The Bush administration, obsessed with secrecy, is busy reclassifying government documents -- from 1971


By Jon Wiener, JON WIENER, a professor of history at UC Irvine, is the author of "Gimme Some Truth: The John Lennon FBI Files" and was the historical consultant on the film "U.S. vs. John Lennon."

September 10, 2006

WE ALL know that a key to preventing future terrorist attacks is sharing intelligence with foreign governments. When Justice Department attorneys urge courts not to release national security information provided by a foreign government under a Freedom of Information Act suit, they argue that the courts should defer to the experts in the Department of Homeland Security and the White House.

But what if such intelligence isn't about today's terrorist threats? What if it's about the antiwar activities of a British rock star during the Vietnam War?

That's precisely what's at issue in a Freedom of Information Act suit pending before the U.S. 9th Circuit Court of Appeals. The case of John Lennon's FBI files illustrates the federal government's obsession with secrecy, which it justifies with appeals to national security.

Lennon's story, told in the documentary "The U.S. vs. John Lennon," opening this week in Los Angeles, revolves around his plans to help register young people to vote in the 1972 presidential election, when President Nixon was running for reelection and the war in Vietnam was the issue of the day. Lennon wanted to organize a national concert tour that would combine rock music with antiwar protests and voter registration. Nixon found out about the plan, and the White House began deportation proceedings against Lennon.

It worked: Lennon never did the tour, and Nixon was reelected.

Along the way, the FBI spied on and harassed Lennon and kept detailed files of its work. The bulk of them were released in 1997 under the Freedom of Information Act after 15 years of litigation. I was the plaintiff.

But the agency continues to withhold 10 documents in Lennon's FBI file on grounds that they contain "national security information provided by a foreign government." The name of the foreign government remains classified, though it's probably not Afghanistan. The FBI has argued that "disclosure of this information could reasonably be expected to cause damage to the national security, as it would reveal a foreign government and information provided in confidence by that government."

U.S. District Judge Robert Takasugi rejected this argument in 2004 and ordered the documents released. The FBI is appealing that decision.

The Lennon FBI files vividly illustrate the administration's problem. "Our democratic principles require that the American people be informed of the activities of their government" those are the words of President Bush in his 2003 executive order on classified information. And he is right.

The Freedom of Information Act is necessary because Democrats and Republicans alike have secrets they want to keep secrets about corruption and the abuse of power. But now the White House wants to shield information from with a new rationale for secrecy protecting the homeland from terrorists.

The administration acknowledges that it has dramatically increased the number of documents classified "confidential," "secret" or "top secret." Between the time Bush took office in 2001 and 2004, the most recent year for which figures are available, that number has nearly doubled. In 2004 alone, 80 federal agencies deemed 15.6 million documents off-limits. And that figure doesn't include documents withheld by Vice President Dick Cheney, who refuses to report to the National Archives the number of documents his office classifies even though Bush's executive order requires him to do so. Cheney claims his office is exempt.

The administration's frenzy on secrets has led to documents being reclassified after having been in the public domain for decades for example, the number of bombers and missiles the U.S. had in 1971. The same year that the FBI began its surveillance of Lennon, Nixon's secretary of Defense testified before Congress and displayed a chart showing the U.S. had 30 strategic bomber squadrons and 54 Titan and 1,000 Minuteman nuclear missiles.

Thirty-five years later, Bush officials blacked out that information in the public version of the secretary of Defense's 1971 report, claiming it is now a national security secret. About 55,000 pages of previously declassified material in the National Archives were edited this way, mostly by the Air Force and CIA. (In response, the U.S. archivist announced last week that a declassification initiative would eventually return 85% of the withdrawn CIA materials to the shelves.)

The justifications for such decisions are often ridiculous. In the Lennon FBI files litigation, the government claims that our national security would be damaged if it discloses the sharing of intelligence between the U.S. and the unnamed foreign government. But Bush himself declared in a joint news conference with British Prime Minister Tony Blair that "relations and cooperation between our intelligence services are essential to secure the people of our respective countries."

That makes me wonder: Could it be that the same British intelligence service provided Nixon with information about Lennon in 1972? All this suggests that the time has come to end what Thomas Blanton, director of the National Security Archive, calls "silly secrecy."

 

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  posted on 9/10/2006 at 07:30 PM
From now one, you're on Double Secret Probation!

 

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  posted on 9/10/2006 at 07:50 PM
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From now one, you're on Double Secret Probation!




That's about how assnine this sounds too....

 

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  posted on 9/10/2006 at 09:35 PM
There was an hour long show about this on the history channel a while back. Fascinating, frightening and SO not surprising. I'll see if the library will buy this documentary.

 

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  posted on 9/10/2006 at 09:39 PM
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Watched the trailer; broke out in goosebumps, a hot sweat and nauseous. No kidding. I should be a real treat to go to the theater with for this one.
I always had this notion that Lee Harvey Oswald and Mark David Chapman had more in common than we would ever want to imagine.
Didn't mean to say that. Imagine, I mean. The word is too magical to be used in this sordid context.


Mark David Chapman actually killed someone, I'm not sure what they had in common...

 

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  posted on 9/12/2006 at 06:39 AM
America land of the free .... but not to free !!

 

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  posted on 9/14/2006 at 10:45 PM
Opens tommorow.

But in only 2 theatres in the entire NYC area

Sure hope they have a "full release" next week


 

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  posted on 2/15/2007 at 10:00 PM
OK.. so a full release never happened



But a DVD release did

They dont seem to be advertising this much, so I thought I would get the word out

To be honest, most of what was talked about, I already knew
But I am a Lennon freak anyway

About the only thing I DIDNT know was about John's friendship with Bobby Seale of the Black Panthers

There are some cool live clips and interviews that I have never seen before. very interseting stuff.

And I usually come away very disappointed with " DVD Extras" bu ther ones here are VERY good. Some interesting interviews.

Funny thing through all of this though.... Yoko is ALL over this thing, and I didnt cringe once when I saw her

There is one thing that I could barely make it through though.
The last DVD ' extra" hasYoko reading her letter to the NYS parole board that she wrote in 2000.

The last few minutes of the film is pretty sad as well



Anyway, this is HIGHLY recommended

 

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Funny thing through all of this though.... Yoko is ALL over this thing, and I didnt cringe once when I saw her



Glad to see that you're getting over your Yokophobia.

She was not the reason the Beatles broke up. That was just Press spin. They always need a villain.

 

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  posted on 2/15/2007 at 11:24 PM
I dont blame Yoko for thr beatle split.

I DO blame her for auctioning off the Lennon/ Mac songs

So now that FREAK MJ has them

 

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  posted on 2/15/2007 at 11:32 PM
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I dont blame Yoko for thr beatle split.

I DO blame her for auctioning off the Lennon/ Mac songs

So now that FREAK MJ has them


Well there is some good news there. Sony Music has the majority of the controlling interest. Freaka$$ Child Molester only holds about 20-25%, but 'it' still holds the licensing.

Still to this day I can't figure out why Paul or George did not buy them up when they went on sale.

 

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I dont blame Yoko for thr beatle split.

I DO blame her for auctioning off the Lennon/ Mac songs

So now that FREAK MJ has them


Well there is some good news there. Sony Music has the majority of the controlling interest. Freaka$$ Child Molester only holds about 20-25%, but 'it' still holds the licensing.

Still to this day I can't figure out why Paul or George did not buy them up when they went on sale.


I think their attitude was probably one of "Who gives a toss?" ...

What I mean is, does it matter who has licences, ownership, etc etc ... ?

Not something John Lennon would have put as a priority in life ...

I am assuming, of course, that Lennons descendants are well cared for ...

McCartneys certainly are ...

And the most important thing of all .......... is the music itself ...

and WE the public already own that !!!!!

 

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