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  posted on 8/23/2006 at 02:56 PM
Didn't see it, but was curious on people's reaction to it.
 
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  posted on 8/23/2006 at 03:40 PM
yes...please don't get me started...i am really unhappy at the moment

 

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  posted on 8/23/2006 at 07:35 PM
Yea-after watching it now you will know why there is such a big divide in race relations. I don't think it will ever get better-after watching this. Sad-sometimes one just has to move on for Chrissakes!
 

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  posted on 8/23/2006 at 07:56 PM
I don't have HBO, but for those interested you can watch Surviving Katrina this coming Sunday night, 2 chances.
Sun., AUG 27 2006 @ 09:00 PM ET and again
@ 1:00AM ET (Mon. morning)

About the show:
Enduring Stories of Survival

Survivors of one of the nation's worst natural disasters open up about their experiences in SURVIVING KATRINA, a two-hour special premiering Sunday, Aug. 27, at 9 p.m. ET/PT on the Discovery Channel. Emergency phone calls, never-before-seen home video from the Superdome, and analysis of the meteorological superpower combined with heart-wrenching interviews and vivid reconstructions will shed new light on the dark days of August 2005, when a hurricane changed America.

Profiles of ordinary Americans who forged ahead through death-filled waters, mass confusion and devastation to save others and unite with loved ones provide a new face to the tragedy one year later. SURVIVING KATRINA covers the perfect storm of nature, science, politics and extreme human experience with a range of stories and interviews from all major aspects of the disaster, including Charity Hospital, the Convention Center and Superdome, and with former FEMA Director Michael Brown.

Viewers will meet a doctor who, forced to take matters literally into his own hands, performs open chest surgery on a patient without anesthesia and using only a flashlight, and the patient who lives to thank him; a brother-and-sister team who make a harrowing road trip to rescue loved ones on their own; and a National Guardsman who took on surreal and horrific conditions in the Superdome. Survivors who watched their homes wash away and whose lives changed forever share with viewers the inspiration that kept them going and the unbridled joy they felt when finally reunited with their families.

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http://dsc.discovery.com/convergence/katrina/katrina.html?clik=www_wh_1

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  posted on 8/23/2006 at 08:19 PM
I saw an hour of part 3, man it was sad and heavy.
 

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  posted on 8/24/2006 at 02:53 PM
It was very sobering and disconcerting. The worst part of all is that this tragedy (of biblical proportions) could have been prevented. The levees were in no shape, form or fashion even remotely designed to withstand any storm of that magnitude. About all they could have held up against would have been a category one hurricane. And then the government's response (before, during and after) was/is abysmal. And,evidently, FEMA is just a joke. And as bad as I hate to to think, race and socio-economics did play a role in it whether it was conscious or not. But I am so very glad that Spike Lee got this film made. It just illuminates, once again, that we are light years from anything that resembles a fair shake for the poor, underprivileged and dispossessed. Hopefully the film can be a trigger or a wake up call of some sort, but, how many wake up calls do we get ? We shall see I suppose. "Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the earth."

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  posted on 8/24/2006 at 10:44 PM
F*ck Spike Lee ! (Thats my feelings about Mr. Lee)

Not to be taken as my feelings about the Katrina victims...I feel for those folks.





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  posted on 8/25/2006 at 01:16 AM
How interesting it was on the day Spikes film about Katrina was going to be on HBO, the Bush administration rolled out this guy "Rocky" who was able to have a one on one meeting with Bush. This guy had the balls to stand there and basically say the Bush administration did an excellent job in responding to Katrina. It was unbelieveable!!! Did anybody catch that clown? What a photo op that was! That was a brillant staged event by Karl Rove---Bush's right hand man. Don't believe one word the Bush administration tells you would be the advice I would give all my fellow peachheads.
 

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  posted on 8/25/2006 at 10:07 AM
Missi. and Alabama got a hurricane, NO got flooded because IT'S 6 FEET UNDER SEA LEVEL. Do the math. I live down here, I know. The people in Al. and Miss. are rebuilding while the good people of NO are just waiting around for someone to do the work for them-you and me-through the federal gov't. (one of the most in-efficient entities ever created) The local and state politics have been corrupt and messed up for as long as I can remember-choosing not to have fed hwy funds so they can have drive thru Daquiri shops as an example. It is just pitiful to sit there and watch people doing nothing for themselves and waiting for 'Big Brother' to take care of them. Thanks to LBJ's 'Great Society we have a whole bunch of people who don't no how to take are of themselves.
 

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  posted on 8/25/2006 at 10:23 AM
This is nothing but more RACIST drivel about a regional disaster that effected many good people. Many of my family were in this storm and they have yet to recieve ANY aid from any one, inclyding Spike Lee and his RACIST cohort, Ray "Chocolate" Nagin.
Let New Orleans sink and go away, we do not need this sewer pit anylonger.
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  posted on 8/25/2006 at 10:57 AM
Wow, the lack of compassion in these these last two is unreal. I be sure to tell my friends the ones that lost everything that they are too reliant on government. What ever happened to spirit of America? Quite, quite sad.

"The people in Al. and Miss. are rebuilding while the good people of NO are just waiting around for someone to do the work for them-you and me-through the federal gov't."

I'll be sure to tell my good friend Scott that is an upper middle class person who was devastated by the storm to stop waiting for hand outs. Or Jenny, a lawyer, who lost her childhood home, her family business and her car to start doing her own work. They sit around each day looking for government help. Welfare queens the whole lot of them. Makes me sick. Somebody alert Sen Hannity.




 

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  posted on 8/25/2006 at 11:12 AM
I have nothing but compassion for the people, including my family, effected by this storm. It is terrible for those who lost everything. But I ask the question, why is there not an outrage against Nagin? Blanco? The money, millions$$$, was sent to repair and improve the Levee system. Where did the money go? Ask Nagin and Blanco. Further,
N.O. is and will always be, a tragedy waiting to happen. It is below sea level. Everyone living there knows it, lives with it. They CHOOSE to live there. No one is rsponsible for acts of God. Same line of thought as with someone living on the fault line in Calif. It's gonna happen....when??? So, face the music, help the people you can, but learn from the mistakes. Move to the outskirts of town.............
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  posted on 8/25/2006 at 11:30 AM
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How interesting it was on the day Spikes film about Katrina was going to be on HBO, the Bush administration rolled out this guy "Rocky" who was able to have a one on one meeting with Bush. This guy had the balls to stand there and basically say the Bush administration did an excellent job in responding to Katrina. It was unbelieveable!!! Did anybody catch that clown? What a photo op that was! That was a brillant staged event by Karl Rove---Bush's right hand man. Don't believe one word the Bush administration tells you would be the advice I would give all my fellow peachheads.
what an ass bucket that guy is, probably on the bush payroll.

 

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  posted on 8/25/2006 at 11:50 AM
hey pops, you got issues bro.

 

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  posted on 8/25/2006 at 12:05 PM
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hey pops, you got issues bro.
one issue I have is bush cheney and co. aint worth $hit. yeah, im with the other 63% of the country.

 

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  posted on 8/25/2006 at 12:18 PM
My house isn't below sea level, actually 8.5 feet above. Neither is buddy's who lost everything. But don't let facts get in the way. Instead make broad sweeping generalizations.

There's plenty of outrage at Blanco and Nagin. She's a lameduck and Nagin won by a razor's edge.

The levees are FEDERAL PROJECTS. Even the Corps of Engineers, who oversees all the levees, has admitted the failed to do what they were supposed to. The Corp certifies the levees.

Do you even live in New Orleans?



 

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  posted on 8/25/2006 at 12:21 PM
And one more thing, don't call my home a sewerpit. Where are you from?
 

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  posted on 8/25/2006 at 12:34 PM
Baton Rouge. My OPINiON is just that. Look, I got no beef with you, but I know
N.O. and I know what goes on in La. My family has had their problems from this disaster.
I DO CARE about the peolple who lost everything. I have done more than most to help
these people. I apologize if I offended you.
I do not blame the Corps. of Engineers. I know, as you do, millions of $$$$ went to Nagin/Blanco to maintain and repair/improve the levees. They did nothing. It's a sad situation that will not be resolved for a long time.spdb

 

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  posted on 8/25/2006 at 02:50 PM
I agree with you about nagin and blanco. but the fed govt. dragged their feet and dropped the damn ball on this.
 

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I saw the documentary and thought it was very real and very sad. I am not a big Spike Lee fan but I thought he did a good job with this. The sad fact is it was all the poor, black neighborhoods that were effected most. Now if anyone thinks this flood was in the ritzy part of NO and it would have gone down the way it has to this day, your kidding yourselves. No going to get into a major debate, Nagin is a joke, so is the Gov. of LA. BUT Bush and his motley crew are all in the boat with those 2. Its just another example of his incompetence in my opinion. What a track record.

The best qoute I read today was Nagin bitching on 60 minutes when asked about why the re building has gone so slow. His reply was something like" you people in NYC cant even fill a hole 5 yrs. later and your criticizing us" Not the exact quote but you get the point. What an ass.

As far as Bush being at fault, its after the fact when people waited days for any supplies or relief. Nagin and Blanco should be blamed for a very bad grasp on the evacuation effort but bush takes the heat for the aftermath. he acted like he had no idea this massive storm was coming and said it publically. Only to fins=d out later he was briefed befor hand. No surprise that he lied to the Amercian people. I think we sent aid to the Tsunami victims quicker. Very sad,NO looked like a 3rd world country.

 

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There is nothing noble about spending other people's money. I worked on the Miss coast and gave my own money direct to the people in need. By the way-we lost our family camp to the storm; we have already begun the rebuilding process.
By the way-nobody should be without a job on the coast who is able to work-the demand for labor is unreal.

 

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I watched this last night. Say what you will about Spike Lee (I personally hold him high film making regard) it clearly shows the failures across the board. What a sad, sad period for our country.
Some random observations:

The Coast Guard was awesome. Just top notch.

Terrance Blanchard can blow. I've always loved his music. He's done a lot of stuff with Spike. Which brings me to my next observation:

Even if you don't like Spike's movies, I can't see how you can not like the soundtracks he puts his films to. Some really beautiful music.

Some of the devistation is beyond belief. Like you put a house in a huge blender and poured it out. Incredible.

 

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I watched the beginning last night and had to turn it off when they started talking about purposely breaching the levees with explosives.

Incidentally, since when do we commemorate hurricanes, or is this just another chance for people to bash the government? Despite what people call a slow rescue, the Coast Guard was phenomenal and its was the biggest rescue effort undertaken in this country's history....not that there weren't massive **** ups.

The country poured their hearts and wallets out for the victims and some of these dooshbags like Nagin stand up and say, we were abandoned. If anything, he abondoned his people. Guiliani was out walking around on 9/11 like the God damn Queen of England after London had been bombed. He was a leader, and decisive decision maker, not some **** that got on the news and started cursing about something he was warned about days in advance. Actually, he had to know years in advance there was a chance of this.

After watching what I watched, it occurred to me the ills of having people completely dependent on the government. It is also evident that there is zero leadership at the local level. People have gutted their houses and kicked things to the curb, but the city has not come up with a master plan fro rebuilding. What are they waiting for? Why are we not seeing anything on the gulf coast of Mississippi a year later? Because the money for the homeowner program was slower to arrive in Louisiana than in Mississippi because Mississippi was quicker to submit a plan that demonstrated checks and balances on the funding. Nagin is a moron and the people of NOLA can look in the mirror and take stock for voting this guy back into office. Chocolate City racist.

 

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  posted on 8/30/2006 at 11:52 AM
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Missi. and Alabama got a hurricane, NO got flooded because IT'S 6 FEET UNDER SEA LEVEL. Do the math. I live down here, I know. The people in Al. and Miss. are rebuilding while the good people of NO are just waiting around for someone to do the work for them-you and me-through the federal gov't. (one of the most in-efficient entities ever created) The local and state politics have been corrupt and messed up for as long as I can remember-choosing not to have fed hwy funds so they can have drive thru Daquiri shops as an example. It is just pitiful to sit there and watch people doing nothing for themselves and waiting for 'Big Brother' to take care of them. Thanks to LBJ's 'Great Society we have a whole bunch of people who don't no how to take are of themselves.



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[Wow, the lack of compassion in these these last two is unreal. I be sure to tell my friends the ones that lost everything that they are too reliant on government. What ever happened to spirit of America? Quite, quite sad.

"The people in Al. and Miss. are rebuilding while the good people of NO are just waiting around for someone to do the work for them-you and me-through the federal gov't."

I'll be sure to tell my good friend Scott that is an upper middle class person who was devastated by the storm to stop waiting for hand outs. Or Jenny, a lawyer, who lost her childhood home, her family business and her car to start doing her own work. They sit around each day looking for government help. Welfare queens the whole lot of them. Makes me sick. Somebody alert Sen Hannity.
/quote]

There is truth in both sides of that argument. As you know, my uncle lives in NOLA and I have been going there for 30 years. No excuse for the lack of response by the government after it happened. We literally had food and water dropping after the tsunami two days later while those at the convention center had to wait almost five days.

But Mississippi is light years ahead of coming back right now compared to Louisiana. They have a unified plan, and the contractors are coming in. New Orleans is in disarray. My mother was just down there visiting her brother, my uncle, and they made the drive from Plaquemines to Biloxi, and it is miles and miles of devastation. My point is, in situations like this, would you rather have Blanco as governor or Haley Barbor or even Jeb Bush? No comparison. And Nagin is a goof, but at the time I gave him a higher grade than Bush in the response during and afterwards.

Ultimately, it was a class deal, as far as I am concerned. Good people lost their life in the Lower 9th and 6th because no one gave a damn about them except for the Coast Guard. On the other hand, Mluke, you know as well as I do, that those so-called 'meek of the earth' included the highest murder rate in the country. Over %25 of Houston's violent crime in the last year was due to Katrina migrants, as the city's mayor said last night. That is why the blocked off the bridges coming into the West Bank. The West Bank was bad enough, as we used to call my uncle's old appartment in Gretna "Little Beirut" because you could sit on his deck and hear automatic gunfire. And, back in New Orleans, the murders have started right back up in the past year. No excuse for it. Not that I am naive about any of it, as I have been arrested and thrown in jail in Central Lockup in New Orleans. But the murderers should not be let back in.

As long as I have been going down there, I have heard about the fact that New Orleans is under sea level, and that they could get it at anytime. It's always been known. My main beef was how does a town that knows this not have a fleet of john boats in a warehouse somewhere for exactly this reason. To sit and watch no more than four boats rescuing people after the hurricane and flood hit last year was pathetic, much less the school busses sitting under water.

Nevertheless, New Orleans is an important city in America and for America. It needs to come back, and I think it will. This is about the fourth major disaster that the city has endured over the centuries. Why do you think they call New Orleans "The City That Care Forgot"? And that was long before Katrina hit. As Elvis Costello said in an interview after he recorded that album this past year with the great New Orleans musician and producer - Allen Toussaint, when he first came over from England to explore the areas of America that he learned about through various kinds of music and culture, many places disappointed him as they were not as authentic as he expected. But as he said the other night, New Orleans was the real deal for him when he got there, and that is the best way that I can explain it. Yes, New Orleans and Louisiana politics has always been the most corrupt and screwed up of any state in the union, but the culture and food and music and people are truly unique and worthy.

As for a year ago right now, it is wild to think about what Patty G, Slowhand6, and I were doing at this time as we tried to find word of Patty G's family that disappeared in Chalmette during the storm. While others were debating politics on here as the waters were still rising and people were dying, those of us with family and kin down there were worried about other things. Luckily, my uncle Steve and his wife Karen actually tracked Katrina on their own, with a map and coordinates and all, so they knew what was coming and got out. That is due to Karen having lived through hurricane Camille as a kid, which moved their house off the foundation in Mississippi and scared her to death. The fear of hurricanes is ingrained in her. But I had other friends that were missing after the storm and was trying to track down at the time as well. ( Here is a side story- Last year, Karen's boss' nephew was a former Navy man who was in the flood in New Orleans and used his clothes and other items to float on and swim to dry ground with and walked for four days to Baton Rouge on foot. Crazy.)

As for Patty G's kin, what a story it was, and what a story her kin lived out a year ago;

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Rebecca Fournier, 14, and her grandfather, Richard Hancock, were in Houston after escaping from their flooded home in Chalmette, just south of New Orleans.

After climbing down from their roof, the two took a small boat to high ground and then got on the back of a tractor. They took a ferry to Algiers, just across the Mississippi River from the French Quarter in New Orleans. There, they boarded a charter bus last night amid people fighting to get on, Fournier said.




Thanks to folks on here like Bhawk, who successfully helped us once we brought what we were doing behind the scenes to the ABB forum, we found the only proof that they were alive in a small blurb of an article written in a Pittsburgh newspaper from a reporter who was in Houston at the time. http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05244/563857.stm. I haven't looked at my PM's from a year ago in a while, but they are dramatic and real. And thinking of that time, I would say again that the Coast Guard was amazing in helping us, and on the ground in Louisiana and Mississippi as well.

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  posted on 8/30/2006 at 11:55 AM
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I watched the beginning last night and had to turn it off when they started talking about purposely breaching the levees with explosives.

Incidentally, since when do we commemorate hurricanes, or is this just another chance for people to bash the government? Despite what people call a slow rescue, the Coast Guard was phenomenal and its was the biggest rescue effort undertaken in this country's history....not that there weren't massive **** ups.

The country poured their hearts and wallets out for the victims and some of these dooshbags like Nagin stand up and say, we were abandoned. If anything, he abondoned his people. Guiliani was out walking around on 9/11 like the God damn Queen of England after London had been bombed. He was a leader, and decisive decision maker, not some **** that got on the news and started cursing about something he was warned about days in advance. Actually, he had to know years in advance there was a chance of this.

After watching what I watched, it occurred to me the ills of having people completely dependent on the government. It is also evident that there is zero leadership at the local level. People have gutted their houses and kicked things to the curb, but the city has not come up with a master plan fro rebuilding. What are they waiting for? Why are we not seeing anything on the gulf coast of Mississippi a year later? Because the money for the homeowner program was slower to arrive in Louisiana than in Mississippi because Mississippi was quicker to submit a plan that demonstrated checks and balances on the funding. Nagin is a moron and the people of NOLA can look in the mirror and take stock for voting this guy back into office. Chocolate City racist.



Such a massive undertaking would have to be handeled by the Federal Government. They also knew the storm was coming days in advance. They should have had much more preperation. Manpower and equipment should have been in place. I don't think any local government could handle a disaster of that scope. That being said, the local government did a lousy job too. I agree with you though about the conspiracy theories. Seems like every time there is some type of disaster where one group of people is affected more than others all of a sudden it was done purposely by someone. Just like the a**holes who claim that the World Trade Center was brought down with controlled explosions.

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