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  posted on 2/7/2003 at 08:51 AM
Hey guys,
We've talked a bunch about what songs the ABB might bring back at the Beacon in March. There are some constant faves, but there are a lot of songs deeper in the catalogue that sometimes we overlook. I wanted to make a quick list of all the possibilities... some of them I think are all but impossible, and others are mostly just food for thought, but hey.

I think the ABB is essentially choosing from these songs. They are all 1) basically or completely off the setlists, 2) sung by Gregg or Warren, 3) not written by Dickey (because I don't think the band will bring back stuff he wrote- he was involved a few of the songs at the bottom, but those are the ones I think are least likely to be played by far)

Can't Lose What You Never Had
Wasted Words
(Butch said these two, among others, were 'on the short list')

Old Friend
(not an old song, of course, but a new one; the only song from Hittin' the Note not yet played live)

Get On With Your Life
(somehow, this just seems like a strong possibility to me)

Every Hungry Woman
Melissa
(the only two Duane-era songs sung by Gregg that aren't currently in the rotation)

Dimples
Outskirts of Town
Oh, Pretty Woman
(I don't know who would sing these and I don't think they're likely, but it'd be interesting...)

Jelly, Jelly
Win, Lose or Draw
Nevertheless
Need Your Love So Bad
(Gregg tunes from the mid-70s that people seem to like)

What's Done is Done
Sailin' 'Cross the Devil's Sea
(Sailin' was always a favorite of mine, and has been missing since 2001. I think these two songs get some consideration because they're both from the Warren/Woody era; Allen co-wrote both)

Come On In My Kitchen
Goin' Down the Road Feelin' Bad
If I Had Possession Over Judgment Day
(Dickey sang Judgment Day when the ABB did it, but Warren has done it with the Mule, and I think Gregg would sound great on it too)

Before the Bullets Fly
Franklin's Tower
Loan Me a Dime
Loaded Dice
I've Been Lovin' You Too Long
(All of these were played in '01, but not '02- except for Loaded Dice, which was played once. They're hardly even out of the playlist, so I don't see them coming back in.)

Feel So Bad
(Part of the regular rotation in summer '00, done 4 times in '01 solely as a guest showcase, not played last year. If Susan comes by, we might hear this one.)

Temptation is a Gun
It Ain't Over Yet
Shine It On
Nobody Knows
(these are just here for completeness, I'd be beyond stunned if any of them were given consideration, let alone played)

My Favorite Things
One More Ride
(Why the heck not? )

 

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  posted on 2/7/2003 at 08:59 AM
I know it was a different thread, Marley...but I think you are right about them opening with something from the new album. I think they will.
 

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  posted on 2/7/2003 at 09:02 AM
Loving You Too Long was played in '02.

Nevertheless would be real groovy with this lineup, I bet.

 

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  posted on 2/7/2003 at 09:07 AM
Loan Me A Dime was played in 2001? Didn't know that. I thought they just did that in 2000. And Just Before the Bullets Fly was played quite a bit in 2002.

 

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  posted on 2/7/2003 at 09:14 AM
My mistake, I moved a few things around as I edited... Loan Me a Dime was only played in 2000.

I've Been Lovin' You Too Long was played more times in 2002 than I'd thought (though the band only did it a couple of times without guests), same with Before the Bullets Fly.

 

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  posted on 2/7/2003 at 09:16 AM
Loan Me A DIme was a highlight for me of the 2000 season, what with all that went on. I just think that's such a great ABB song. I don't think Warren has played it though.

And as for an old song to dust off, I'd love to hear Morning Dew.

 

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  posted on 2/7/2003 at 10:02 AM
I'd be happy with just a Win, Lose or Draw from that list

 

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  posted on 2/7/2003 at 10:14 AM
Wow, Marley, I am astonished by the depth of your scholarship on this subject. However, you forgot True Gravity!

Perhaps its an unlikely wish, given the situation with Dickey, but I can dream. Warren co-wrote True Gravity and really contributed a lot to the original versions, and I thought it was one of the best tunes of the Derek/Dickey lineup and really gave Derek room to soar. Together they could push that song to new heights!

 
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  posted on 2/7/2003 at 10:21 AM
Actually, while Marley's knowledge of the subject is pretty impressive (even though most ABB fans could pick out the same tunes), he left off some very key tunes:
1) True Gravity
2) Kind Of Bird
3) Just Ain't Easy

The first 2 were co-written by Warren, and the latter is one of Gregg's all-time GREAT songs! Outside of "Wasted Words", "CLWYNH" and "GOWYL", the 3 I mentioned are the most likely to be added...

 

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  posted on 2/7/2003 at 10:26 AM
Wasted Words has always been a favorite of mine. If I get that, a healthy dose of the new tunes, and a bunch of the standards, I'll be happy.

 

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  posted on 2/7/2003 at 10:28 AM
I think Randy is going to be HAPPY!

 

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  posted on 2/7/2003 at 10:34 AM
I thought I mentioned it- I was sticking with songs not written by Dickey, including co-written, because I think the band will stay away from those.

Any reason you think those 3 are so likely, Frank? (I KNOW anybody could pick the same songs, almost all of them are from albums. But not everyone is going to sit there and think through an extensive list and I thought I'd lay out the possibilities.

 

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  posted on 2/7/2003 at 10:44 AM
Geez Marley, I can't understand how you missed Just Ain't Easy....

 

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  posted on 2/7/2003 at 11:14 AM
Well, it's not so much that those 3 are likely as it is that nothing else IS likely.

The band seems to have abandoned the acoustic set, which eliminates the acoustic songs you mentioned (unless they reinstate the acoustic set, which may or may not happen)...

And, when you mention "new old songs", it's not really fair to talk about songs that this incarnation of the band has already played (hence eliminating "Bullets" and other songs played in '01 and '02)...

That leaves you with the ones that you yourself called "unlikely" ("Temptation is a Gun", etc...) and the "Gregg tunes from the 70's that people seem to like" ("Nevertheless", "Jelly, Jelly")...

I would say that, while I'd love to hear "Nevertheless", the band likely won't drag those out...

So, all that leaves is "Wasted Words", "Can't Lose What You Never Had" and "Win, Lose or Draw", plus the 3 I mentioned... While Dickey did co-write the 2 instrumentals, they are still not Dickey songs (Dickey also co-wrote "Good Clean Fun", but the band still plays that), and thus the band can and should play them...

 

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  posted on 2/7/2003 at 11:19 AM
How about Low Down Dirty Mean? I would rather hear Get on with your Life but this will do.

Dimples was done often with Jack Pearson on lead vocals during his stay.

I have two shows from 02 with Black Hearted Woman. I wouldn't mind seeing that retired in favor of Outskirts of Town. That one has completely disappeared for a very long time.

 

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  posted on 2/7/2003 at 11:21 AM
I wonder if the band reads these. Back in about early 95 they sent out a flier to Hittin the Note subrscribers asking which song should be kept, and which should be dropped. The most requested song back then was Ain't Wastin Time No More, which showed that year in heavy rotation.

 

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  posted on 2/7/2003 at 02:07 PM
Yeah, Outskirts of Town would be very cool. Anyone know when that was last played?

 

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  posted on 2/7/2003 at 03:11 PM
According to the Live Show DB, it was 5/2/70... Was it really only played 3 times?

 

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  posted on 2/7/2003 at 03:17 PM
I think that's very unlikely... we just don't have setlists from a lot of those really early shows, I think.

 

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  posted on 2/7/2003 at 03:30 PM
I guess, once the band learned "Stormy Monday", they stopped playing "Outskirts of Town" altogether!

 

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  posted on 2/7/2003 at 03:36 PM
That's too bad. Excellent candidate for a return then.

 

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  posted on 2/7/2003 at 04:46 PM
That's right, I think. I have a feeling we've been over this before, but the band's versions of Outskirts and Stormy Monday are pretty similar musically, and they probably didn't want to have two of the same song...

 

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  posted on 2/7/2003 at 05:01 PM
Maybe my suggestion here is not exactly a good fit with this thread, but I'd like to hear a Statesboro Blues with that extened solo tacked on the end like on the Ludlow Garage CD - with that solo done by Derek...

 

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  posted on 2/7/2003 at 05:55 PM
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That's right, I think. I have a feeling we've been over this before, but the band's versions of Outskirts and Stormy Monday are pretty similar musically, and they probably didn't want to have two of the same song...


Musically they are kind of similar, lyrically its a different story. You ever listen to the lyrics of Outskirts close? Blues- the world's first ironic musical form.

"I don't need no iceman baby
Lord I'm gonna buy you a Fridadaire"

 

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  posted on 2/7/2003 at 06:15 PM
My prediction is that they will bring out a good number of songs that hav'nt been played in a long time, such as "Wasted Words"and maybe "Get On With Your Life". I would guess maybe 8/14 new ones, that are old ones to us.
Also, I would predict that there will be NO new songs! Reason is I don't think there were even any outtakes from the new cd. That's what I heard, plus Gregg and Warren have been touring with their own bands, and unless their writing at this moment, I doubt we will see any! But, May very well! Stranger things have happened.....
And as far as songs where Dickey has the writing credit, I'd say it's probably a thing of the past! But again, stranger things have happened, so I guess it will make for an interesting March in NYC.......

 
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