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  posted on 8/8/2006 at 10:41 PM
Joe is out of a job (goodnight, funnyman)

Cynthia has more time to work on her hair. Yay.

Cleaning house!

 

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  posted on 8/9/2006 at 04:42 AM
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Joe is out of a job (goodnight, funnyman)




You might want to hold off your celebration until after November.

 

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  posted on 8/9/2006 at 05:34 AM
Radio said preliminary polling indicates Joe wins as an Independent when all the voters can vote in November.

Who knows though....

 
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  posted on 8/9/2006 at 06:48 AM
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Radio said preliminary polling indicates Joe wins as an Independent when all the voters can vote in November.

Who knows though....


I don't see it, if Joe doesn't fit into the how the democrats are positioning themselves, I don't see him making a run in November.

Maybe he can move further south and pull a Jumpin Joe or is it Jim Jefferies move.
Wouldn't be the first politico to move and get elected.

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  posted on 8/9/2006 at 07:13 AM
Just curious- how would the middle east respond to a jewish president?

 

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  posted on 8/9/2006 at 07:21 AM
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"Just curious- how would the middle east respond to a jewish president?"

Well, based on recent events in the SF bay area, not to good

 

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  posted on 8/9/2006 at 07:27 AM
Squatch, are you a Georgian? Oh, right...SquatchTexas.

Thanks for helping Georgians celebrate McKinney's defeat.

 

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  posted on 8/9/2006 at 07:42 AM
Leiberman, he's stickin' around, claiming the two-party system is too confining and divisive. (because he lost)

pride and ego might have a little bit to do with him on the ballot in Nov.

Conn. has a large Indy voter bloc. He knows it, too.

 

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  posted on 8/9/2006 at 08:19 AM
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Just curious- how would the middle east respond to a jewish president?


It will make absolutely no difference. They already view the USA as "Zionists" in bed with Israel. Thus no measurable difference.

 

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  posted on 8/9/2006 at 08:25 AM
Joe needs to listen to the will of the Democratic voters and respect the fact that he lost. If he intends to run as an Indy, he should be removed from every committee he is sitting on since he is apparently not representing the Dems any longer. Who knew you could get two wearings out of the "Sore Loserman" TShirts?

 

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  posted on 8/9/2006 at 08:27 AM
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Squatch, are you a Georgian? Oh, right...SquatchTexas.

Thanks for helping Georgians celebrate McKinney's defeat.


The woman was a total embarassment in most cases. Other times I respected her standing on positions. That said, I think a better candidate thats not so much of a lightning rod would be better for the Dems. I sure hope they get it.

 

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  posted on 8/9/2006 at 10:18 AM
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Cynthia has more time to work on her hair. Yay.

Good news for you, but bad news for security guards everywhere.

The polls about Lieberman winning as an independent are already old news in my opinion. He's already losing support from prominent Democrats, and now that he's officially lost I think the damage will start showing up in the polls pretty soon. His aides say he will quit if new polls show he doesn't have a chance. I wouldn't be surprised if Joementum doesn't make it to November.

 

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  posted on 8/9/2006 at 10:37 AM
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Cynthia has more time to work on her hair. Yay.

Good news for you, but bad news for security guards everywhere.

The polls about Lieberman winning as an independent are already old news in my opinion. He's already losing support from prominent Democrats, and now that he's officially lost I think the damage will start showing up in the polls pretty soon. His aides say he will quit if new polls show he doesn't have a chance. I wouldn't be surprised if Joementum doesn't make it to November.


I agree - the polls "the radio" mentioned and I repeated are from June or earlier.
Having lost the primary will make a difference August thru early November....

Again, who knows....I haven't lived in CT since 1988.

 
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  posted on 8/9/2006 at 10:40 AM
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Joe needs to listen to the will of the Democratic voters and respect the fact that he lost. If he intends to run as an Indy, he should be removed from every committee he is sitting on since he is apparently not representing the Dems any longer. Who knew you could get two wearings out of the "Sore Loserman" TShirts?


I thought he was there to represent ALL of the people from his state.

I guess the republicans should not be paying taxes. Taxation without representation

[Edited on 8/9/2006 by fast43]

 

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Thanks for helping Georgians celebrate McKinney's defeat.


The woman was a total embarassment in most cases. Other times I respected her standing on positions. That said, I think a better candidate thats not so much of a lightning rod would be better for the Dems. I sure hope they get it.



I agree with that...she was getting way to controversial with her behavior.

 

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  posted on 8/9/2006 at 11:29 AM
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Joe needs to listen to the will of the Democratic voters and respect the fact that he lost. If he intends to run as an Indy, he should be removed from every committee he is sitting on since he is apparently not representing the Dems any longer. Who knew you could get two wearings out of the "Sore Loserman" TShirts?


I thought he was there to represent ALL of the people from his state.

I guess the republicans should not be paying taxes. Taxation without representation

[Edited on 8/9/2006 by fast43]



Yea, but like Chambliss here in Georgia might be "my" representative, he certainly doesn't represent my views since he's a Republican. It's tough to be blue or green (as in my case) in a red state . lol What ST meant is that he is a member of the Democratic party at this point. He needs to resign his membership if he doesn't want to be one now.



[Edited on 8/9/2006 by musichick3]

 

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  posted on 8/9/2006 at 12:10 PM
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"Just curious- how would the middle east respond to a jewish president?"

Well, based on recent events in the SF bay area, not to good


The question now days is, how would liberals deal with it. Let's start here,

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Liberal McCarthyism
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BY LANNY J. DAVIS
Tuesday, August 8, 2006 12:01 a.m. EDT

WASHINGTON--My brief and unhappy experience with the hate and vitriol of bloggers on the liberal side of the aisle comes from the last several months I spent campaigning for a longtime friend, Joe Lieberman.

This kind of scary hatred, my dad used to tell me, comes only from the right wing--in his day from people such as the late Sen. Joseph McCarthy, with his tirades against "communists and their fellow travelers." The word "McCarthyism" became a red flag for liberals, signifying the far right's fascistic tactics of labeling anyone a "communist" or "socialist" who favored an active federal government to help the middle class and the poor, and to level the playing field.

I came to believe that we liberals couldn't possibly be so intolerant and hateful, because our ideology was famous for ACLU-type commitments to free speech, dissent and, especially, tolerance for those who differed with us. And in recent years--with the deadly combination of sanctimony and vitriol displayed by the likes of Rush Limbaugh, Ann Coulter and Michael Savage--I held on to the view that the left was inherently more tolerant and less hateful than the right.





Now, in the closing days of the Lieberman primary campaign, I have reluctantly concluded that I was wrong. The far right does not have a monopoly on bigotry and hatred and sanctimony. Here are just a few examples (there are many, many more anyone with a search engine can find) of the type of thing the liberal blog sites have been posting about Joe Lieberman:
"Ned Lamont and his supporters need to [g]et real busy. Ned needs to beat Lieberman to a pulp in the debate and define what it means to be an AMerican who is NOT beholden to the Israeli Lobby" (by "rim," posted on Huffington Post, July 6, 2006).

"Joe's on the Senate floor now and he's growing a beard. He has about a weeks growth on his face. . . . I hope he dyes his beard Blood red. It would be so appropriate" (by "ctkeith," posted on Daily Kos, July 11 and 12, 2005).

On "Lieberman vs. Murtha": "as everybody knows, jews ONLY care about the welfare of other jews; thanks ever so much for reminding everyone of this most salient fact, so that we might better ignore all that jewish propaganda [by Lieberman] about participating in the civil rights movement of the 60s and so on" (by "tomjones," posted on Daily Kos, Dec. 7, 2005).

"Good men, Daniel Webster and Faust would attest, sell their souls to the Devil. Is selling your soul to a god any worse? Leiberman cannot escape the religious bond he represents. Hell, his wife's name is Haggadah or Muffeletta or Diaspora or something you eat at Passover" (by "gerrylong," posted on the Huffington Post, July 8, 2006).

"Joe Lieberman is a racist and a religious bigot" (by "greenskeeper," posted on Daily Kos, Dec. 7, 2005).

And these are some of the nicer examples.

One Sunday morning on C-Span I debated Nation editor Katrina vanden Heuvel on the Lieberman versus Lamont race. Afterwards I received a series of emails--many of them in ALL CAPS (which often suggests the hyper-frenetic state of these extremist haters)--that were of the same stripe as the blog posts, and filled with the same level of personal hate.

But the issue is not just emotional outbursts by these usually anonymous bloggers. A friend of mine just returned from Connecticut, where he had spoken on several occasions on behalf of Joe Lieberman. He happens to be a liberal antiwar Democrat, just as I am. He is also a lawyer. He told me that within a day of a Lamont event--where he asked the candidate some critical questions--some of his clients were blitzed with emails attacking him and threatening boycotts of their products if they did not drop him as their attorney. He has actually decided not to return to Connecticut for the primary today; he is fearful for his physical safety.





I do not blame Joe Lieberman's political difficulties on the liberal blogosphere. Most Connecticut Democrats voting for Mr. Lamont are genuinely outraged at President Bush for his Iraq War policies. They are entitled to express that outrage by voting for him and against Sen. Lieberman on that basis alone, although Sen. Lieberman's record as a progressive Democrat and his opposition to President Bush not only on most domestic issues but also on the conduct of the war cannot be disputed--despite egregiously distortive ads paid for by Mr. Lamont with $4 million of his own money.
Moreover, the support he gets from these haters should not be attributed to Mr. Lamont--nor should he be blamed for their extremism, bigotry and intolerance. But he ought to denounce them. He hasn't as yet.

Mr. Lamont and all other liberal Democrats should remember the McCarthy era and not fall into the trap of the hypocrisy of the double standard--that it's not OK when Ann Coulter dispenses her venomous hatred, but it is OK when our side's versions of Ann Coulter do.

Mr. Davis, former special counsel to President Clinton between 1996-98, is the author of "Scandal: How 'Gotcha' Politics Is Destroying America," forthcoming from Palgrave.




Israel decided to completely leave Southern Lebanon six years ago, and the vaunted United Nations passes UN Resolution 1559 that requires all militia, especially Hezbollah, to be disbanded and leave......and nothing happens. Actually, something does happen, in that Hezbollah hunkers down and re-arms and trains in Iran and digs their tunnels in preparation. Hezbollah, a part of the Islamo-Fascist movement who is backed by scumbag regimes like Syria and Iran attack Israel, bomb Israel, and kidnap two soldiers, and the Liberals and Democrats and the Left of the world go against Israel and directly and indirectly support the Hezbos.

But it doesn't surprise me. Add to that the above article,

the vitriolic anti-semitism that came from the liberal tree huggers during the recent Compton Garden Space episode in LA,

add to that the embracing by liberals on here and elsewhere of a blatant anti-semite in Pat Buchanan.

add to that hezbollah being supported above Israel.

add to that comments on this board including words I won't repeart that start with "J" and end with "boys."

And add to that the picture last night of the post-election speeches in Connecticut. I turned on C-Span about 10:45 PM and watched first Lieberman talk and then Lamont. In light of the brilliant theory that this senate race had no national implications, with scum like Moveon.org all over the place, I see Lamont come out to give his acceptance speech with his wife in front of him and and on his right shoulder is Al Sharpton and on his left shoulder is Jesse "Hymietown" Jackson. When the hell did those guys move to Connecticut??

Could somebody explain to me what that was about???

What a shock that "Hymietown" Jackson is at an anti-Lieberman rally.


As for the race in Conn, in a way this is good, because the Howard Dean-Moveon.org scum side of the party is now in full tilt. This isn't the folks that have become disillusioned because the war hasn't been handled right in the last three years, this is the original folks that wanted Saddam to stay in power, who don't believe that "terrorism" even exists, who do not believe that there is such a thing as a worldwide Islamo-fascist movement, and who walked in the protests and clapped while lowlifes like Ramsey Clark spewed their BS. Bring it to the surface. I'm glad of it. I'd put the mic in front of Howard Dean every hour on the hour.

A question for you Hezbollah supporters out there, how is it that they were defending southern lebanon as they bombed and kidnapped those soldiers to start this thing when Israel had completely pulled out six years ago??

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  posted on 8/9/2006 at 12:29 PM
Aw crap. Dereks back....

 

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  posted on 8/9/2006 at 01:28 PM
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Joe needs to listen to the will of the Democratic voters and respect the fact that he lost. If he intends to run as an Indy, he should be removed from every committee he is sitting on since he is apparently not representing the Dems any longer. Who knew you could get two wearings out of the "Sore Loserman" TShirts?


I thought he was there to represent ALL of the people from his state.

I guess the republicans should not be paying taxes. Taxation without representation

[Edited on 8/9/2006 by fast43]



Yea, but like Chambliss here in Georgia might be "my" representative, he certainly doesn't represent my views since he's a Republican. It's tough to be blue or green (as in my case) in a red state . lol What ST meant is that he is a member of the Democratic party at this point. He needs to resign his membership if he doesn't want to be one now.



[Edited on 8/9/2006 by musichick3]


My point is and it doesn't matter which party. IMO since there will always be pork barrel spending the job of my represenative is to bring as much of that pig to my district to provide jobs & services.

I think it was Marley recently that said people look to these elections too much on a national level and not enough at the local level. And I think that's what is going on here Lieberman doesn't represent me.

 

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  posted on 8/9/2006 at 01:36 PM
And Chambliss doesn't represent me, so should I be required to pay taxes, according to your logic?

I don't think I really get what you're saying.

 

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"Liberal McCarthyism
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BY LANNY J. DAVIS
Tuesday, August 8, 2006 12:01 a.m. EDT "


Damn, and I thought Lanny Davis was a 'good' democrat cause he worked for Bill Clinton , now he has to roil the waters.....

 

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BY LANNY J. DAVIS
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Damn, and I thought Lanny Davis was a 'good' democrat cause he worked for Bill Clinton , now he has to roil the waters.....






Even he had to point out what was going on in his own party.

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And Chambliss doesn't represent me, so should I be required to pay taxes, according to your logic?

I don't think I really get what you're saying.


No you don't and I should know better than to get into these debates with people that see everything as either left or right, blue or red and ABSOLUTELY NO middle ground. Lieberman is there to try to represent everyone not just Democrats. I think he very middle of the road and honestly thought after the VP debates that he should be the one running for President.

Chambliss (whoever he may be)or any other representative, their #1 job (IMO) is to go to Washington and bring funding to your town and state to make improvements to local infrastructure to attract jobs, tourism, improve community services and whatnot to improve the local economy.

If he has done that then he represents you. I know on my last trip to UGA for a football game I saw some road improvements going on.

 

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Well, pardon me for asking. lol


I just thought if a rep or candidate identifies him/herself as being affiliated with a particular party, that's generally what their views are going to coincide with. I could be wrong....
but not in Saxby Chambliss' case. He's about as conservative as can be which goes along with his chosen political party's platform.

 

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What kind of a name is Saxby anyway?
 
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