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Author: Subject: Will A New Allmans Book & Movie Depict Dickey Betts Correctly?

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  posted on 1/22/2003 at 04:12 PM
You have to wonder, with the animosity that seems to linger between Gregg, Butch and Dickey, if subsequent book and movie releases will depict Dickey Betts accurately... One can definitely see some sort of narritive playing him as the bad guy throughout the band's history.

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  posted on 1/22/2003 at 04:27 PM
Maybe that would be accurate....

I'm sure Dickey will get his props as one of the best guitar player to ever grace rock and roll...you can't take away his voice on guitar which even Butch and Gregg would likely admit is one of the most recognizable sounds in the music biz...Dickey was one of the six forces which made this band what it is today, but sometimes things change...

 

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  posted on 1/22/2003 at 04:35 PM
I hope so bro, I hope so.
Given the incredible history of the band, it will be quite a read as the book portays the ups and downs, the good times and bad, the tragedies and incredible music, the various schisms that have played out over the years with Gregg being the bad guy in the 70s, Jaimoe being fired in '81, then the Butch and Dickey vs. Gregg thing up to the current Gregg and Butch vs. Dickey.
It's been said before that fans could do without a VH1 Behind The Music show on the Allmans as it would involve too much of this non-music stuff. I agree. In this case the band reportedly will choose its own writer and have some say-so over the content. Let it be all about the music -- about the one-take, live-in-the-studio magic of Kinda Bird, about the 4/22/95 show in Louisville KY that set everyone back on their heels as so many have, about the recharged band when Warren and Allen joined up in '89, about their closing ranks and becoming a real family, looking out for each other after Duane's death (and literally becoming physically emaciated in the process -- Gregg at one point was down to 138 pounds).
Yes, there's lots to write about, about this band we all love.
Perhaps there should be two books -- one about the music, and one about all the off-stage stuff.
Personally, I'd just like to see a book about the music -- to see if the written word could shed light on what it is that makes this band what it is -- dynamic, uncliched, totally original.

 

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  posted on 1/22/2003 at 05:19 PM
If we knew how Dickey was, then we would know if he was portrayed correctly. Otherwise, we will have to wait and see what the fallout will be if this book is ever written.

I think the less we know about the personal lives of our heros, the better off we are. That is what I have found over the years. I read a Clapton bio and was pretty digusted by the end of the book. Spoiled, capricious, etc....I would just as soon not known.

 

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  posted on 1/22/2003 at 05:25 PM
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I think the less we know about the personal lives of our heros, the better off we are.
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How twue, how twue!

 

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  posted on 1/22/2003 at 05:27 PM
Well, I meant more in terms of his contributions to the music... Obviously, we don't know anything about these guys personally, especially from back in the 70's...

However, if Gregg and Butch are so willing to dismiss anything post-Eat A Peach, you wonder how they will treat Dickey's triumph's during "Brothers and Sisters", "Seven Turns" and "Where It All Begins"...

 

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  posted on 1/22/2003 at 05:33 PM
I see, Frank. Yes, and it is a real good question. Seems to me he was the primary songwriter all those years, regardless of his personality, and has very few peers as a player, a writer of great and memorable instrumentals, and regular songs as well. Those facts are pretty much without dispute. At least to me they are without dispute.

 

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  posted on 1/22/2003 at 05:40 PM
If *I* were doing this, I think you'd have to weigh what's happened since 2000 against what went before. I'm sure there were conflicts between pretty much everyone, on and off, at various points. Hindsight is 20/20, and you'd hope that the guys would be able to view the past with impartiality. I think a lot of the folks around here don't think that's possible, but I disagree. Based on the interviews I can recall, it's not really fair to say Butch and Gregg have 'dismissed' everything since Eat a Peach. They've called Hittin' the Note their best work since then, perhaps it is (only one way to find out). They have also said the band started becoming less of a group of equals after 1973; given the little we do know (songwriting, personal lives, etc.) I think this is doubtless true. Doesn't mean it's all Dickey's fault, and I'm not sure in private they'd say it IS all his fault. But they certainly grew apart.

If it really reached the point where you felt you couldn't rely on what the band was saying (which I think is a stretch), we already have a pretty good idea of what happened based on things that were public (songs, concerts, reviews, etc.). That last case might be death for a book, but not a movie.

 

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  posted on 1/22/2003 at 06:01 PM
I love the way that "Almost Famous" was written.... It showed how everybody contributed to the mess, and how nobody was above any blame... I just don't want to see a book that tyotally passes over Gregg's woes in the mid-70's, but spends pages and pages on Dickey's over the past few years!

 

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  posted on 1/22/2003 at 08:39 PM
Oh, of course not Frank....

 

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  posted on 1/22/2003 at 09:55 PM
I agree with OTF.

However, if that does not turn out to be true, then we will certainly gain important insights into Gregg and Butch's sincerity regarding the true causes of the 2000 breakup and subsequent comments that were made.

Because if the book doesn't pretty much acknowledge Dickey's contribution as equally important, if not in all honesty more important than, any other band member except Duane (in whom Dickey, other than Gregg, has his only true equal in the shaping of popular music), then it clearly is not in keeping with the facts and circumstances of the Allman Brothers Band's history.

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  posted on 1/22/2003 at 10:05 PM
"I think the less we know about the personal lives of our heros, the better off we are."

David, did all the stuff about Pee Wee sour you on knowing about your heros? hehe.

I can't possibly see how an impartial ABB book could be written at this point. You would need 2 books, one from the ABB side and one from Dickeys. And we still wouldn't know what to think. Best just to enjoy the music and let the sopa operas happen on their own. I guess that is what David was saying.

 

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  posted on 1/23/2003 at 02:18 AM
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I love the way that "Almost Famous" was written.... It showed how everybody contributed to the mess, and how nobody was above any blame... I just don't want to see a book that tyotally passes over Gregg's woes in the mid-70's, but spends pages and pages on Dickey's over the past few years!

I assume with Almost Famous, you're talking about the way Crowe showed how Stillwater's troubles were no individual's fault. The premise of the movie comes from Crowe's life, running away with a rock band. But despite a number of similarities in incidents and references and stuff, Stillwater is NOT The Allman Brothers. The things that happen within the band are not meant to depict the ABB's issues at that time.

I agree with what you're saying in terms of an even-handed approach, Frank, but I don't really WANT that much information about the bad **** ANY of the guys got into. We all know they were all into hard drugs by the mid-70s (earlier, actually), we know about the trouble with the law between Dickey's history of violence and Gregg's high-profile testimony in the Scooter Herring case... I don't really feel like I need to know more about that junk. This, I think, has a lot to do with why the band's hesitancy... they want the story to be first and foremost about the music and the Brotherhood. So did I. It'd be dishonest to pretend there weren't plenty of drugs and women going around, but that's not at all unique to the Allman Brothers. The music and the community are, and that's what I'd rather read about.

 

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  posted on 1/23/2003 at 06:36 AM
Hopefully whoever writes it will take a look at the new Dead bio, Long Strange Trip and approach it from that aspect. There is a lot of talk of drugs and the band being knuckleheads, the writer doesn't seem to pull any punches, but it's not mean spirited.
I have no doubt it would be a great read!

 

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  posted on 1/23/2003 at 07:07 AM
Marley, that was nicely said. I don't want to know anymore about the junk either.

 

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  posted on 1/23/2003 at 09:06 AM
"David, did all the stuff about Pee Wee sour you on knowing about your heros? hehe."

Yeah, you got me on that one, Bird. I was devastated by the revelations.

I tell ya, I sure took what Butch said about the 'best album since EAP' as saying that the music was bogus all those years. Unless he was misquoted, that sure sounds like that was the intent of that comment.When you say that this is the first album the whole band had input on, and that 'we were the DBB', etc...he is saying it was not the ABB, hence bogus. It is a very sad commentary and I believe Butch when he says it.



 

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  posted on 1/23/2003 at 09:26 AM
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"I think the less we know about the personal lives of our heros, the better off we are."

David, did all the stuff about Pee Wee sour you on knowing about your heros? hehe.




I always liked that crazy ass PeeWee, but my sister loved his stuff. She had all the little figures, all the episodes of "Playhouse"...so when theatre incident happened I called her...it broke her heart.......then when it looked as if he was coming back again and had all the other stuff behind him...he got busted for the kiddie porn thing. No matter how much he made me laugh...you can't excuse sick things like that at all...Because there is no excuse....

We were talking the other day about PeeWee and how she thought he was so funny.........Your right Goliath..we don't need to know EVERYTHING...because

sometimes we hear to much !!!

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  posted on 1/23/2003 at 09:34 AM
Oh dear Kenny. I am glad only God knows.

 

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  posted on 1/23/2003 at 09:51 AM
Marley,

I agree with what you are saying... I mean, we have all heard the Scooter stuff and the Cher stuff and the drugs stuff 1,000,000 times... However, if this book is supposed to be the be-all and end-all of the Allmans' story, then you would expect it to be covered pretty thoroughly...

My worry was that, since it'll obviously be overseen by Gregg and Butch, and since they obviously hate Dickey with a passion, If he'll be painted the bad guy...

 

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  posted on 1/23/2003 at 10:45 AM
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My worry was that, since it'll obviously be overseen by Gregg and Butch, and since they obviously hate Dickey with a passion, If he'll be painted the bad guy...


I think you are dwelling on this way, way too much. Perhaps this thread has finished its useful life.

The information we have that is public knowledge about Dickey already causes the general public to already think many things about Dickey Betts, whether they be true or not. Are you worried about that? Or are you simply worried that the s*it about the other guys is equal to the s*it about Dickey?

Hey- here's a novel idea (no pun intended)- maybe Dickey will sue the band if they don't depict him properly!

 

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  posted on 1/23/2003 at 11:08 AM
Well, a few nights ago, the Amy Fisher story was on... Now, I had watched (years ago, in my haste) the Joe Buttafucco story, and you wouldn't believe how differently the same story was told in these cases... It was almost 2 different stories...

Such is the case when bias predicates action...

 

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  posted on 1/23/2003 at 11:53 AM
Frank,

In regards to this band, you can be one, pessimistic dude.

 

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  posted on 1/23/2003 at 12:36 PM
Well, there is nothing pessimistic about this thread... I questioned what you all thought is all... I mean, I read in an interview where Gregg bashes Dickey without mercy, then pretty mcuh dismisses anything that was done in the last 30 years (which, coincidentally, is the time period of Dickey's greatest accomplishments)... The band released an album for no other reason that to prove to people that Dickey's playing was awful, justifing his firing... So, anyone with a brain could deduce that, if Gregg and Butch are in control of this whole book/movie thing, they would utilize their same attitudes about Dickey... It's been done before (by other bands in similar situations), and I'm sure it'll be done again...

If you want to view that as pessimism, that's fine... I just view it as common sense...

 

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  posted on 1/23/2003 at 12:45 PM
Besides, I post on this site everyday... I own all their albums, have hundreds of their shows, have their posters on my wall, their sticker on my guitar, and I've seen them over a dozen times... Obviously, I'm as big a fan as there is, which I don't have to prove to anyone.

I have no problem pointing out a problem if I see one, but it doesn't change how I feel towards the band in the least...

 

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  posted on 1/23/2003 at 12:50 PM
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Well, a few nights ago, the Amy Fisher story was on... Now, I had watched (years ago, in my haste) the Joe Buttafucco story, and you wouldn't believe how differently the same story was told in these cases... It was almost 2 different stories...




It's a shame when movies are wasted on two pieces of worthless crap like Amy and Joey.......if your gonna do a crime story..the do it on somone like Edmund Kemper who was a real sicko...not some trash romance gone bad....I hate seeing people like those two being turned into celebrities......

I don't believe they would go out of the way to make Dickey look bad....they just might not try to make it look any better either....but no matter what..when I listen to 12/31/73 I hear the man playing and carrying a heavy load...and he damn sure deserves credit for that. But like I said...I want a move or book that focuses on the Good, not just the bad.

I think who ever plays Dickey will have to wear a Darth Vader costume.....

 

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