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  posted on 1/20/2003 at 07:42 AM
Hey Butch,

Just curious, if someone was to write a bio of the Allman Brothers Band, who would you want it to be? Most of us know that Scott Freeman, drop the ball when he wrote his book, and besides the story of the band would certainly need updating from when that book came out. Personally, I think someone such as Greil Marcus or Peter Guralnick could do a very good job on it. I also think you yourself would do a good job of writing it, and you certainly wouldn't be first drummer to write about his band. Of course, I can imagine you finding the time might be a bit of a problem.

 
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  posted on 1/20/2003 at 10:53 AM
It's been discussed enough so that I'm pretty sure I'm in the minority on this -- I know Butch didn't care too well for it -- but I'll still go to bat for someone who worked hard, put his heart & soul into a project, was obviously a big fan of the band and whose work reflected a lot of research. It's a well-written, dispassionate read.
Unless they've been in a writer's shoes before, I don't think people should criticize until they step up to the plate and put their criticisms into action. Besides, what else is there to compare it to? It's the only kid on the block, so to speak.
I don't see where another biography of the band would read much differently -- unless it were indeed written by Butch or someone in the band. That'd be awesome.

 

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  posted on 1/20/2003 at 11:59 AM
Hey Stephen,

Have to disagree with you about where you "don't see where another boigraphy of the band would read much differently". First of all, Scott Freeman, is basically a journalist, he knows how to write "the facts" but sometime "the facts" just don't tell the story. Greill Marcus and Peter Guralnick are serious writers who speciallize in music and the people who make it (specifically southern music and musicians). The Allman Brothers Band story deserves to be told. Just the simple fact alone that an intergrated band living down south in the late 60's/ early 70's and making it's own orginal music and succeeding is a story in and of itself. I lived in the south (North Carolina) during the 60's and 70's and believe me the Allman Brothers Band definely had an effect on southern culture. I think the Allman Brothers Band deserve to have their story told, and by someone who understand what was going on in America and down South at the time, and can place the band within that context and tell how they were affected and how they and their music affected that culture.

 
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  posted on 1/21/2003 at 02:42 PM
The Scott Freeman book is a VERY long newspaper article. I am not a writer of books but I am an avid and well read reader of books and I can tell a novel from a biography from a short story and from just a regurgitation of facts: newspaper article. The story of the Allman Brothers Band is so incredibly rife with possibilities for an epic from so many different angles (the subculture that existed in America or the south in the '60's and '70's, the racial issues, and more than anything the MUSIC) that having the Freeman book as the sole representation of that story is very depressing. This is my major disappointment with the Freeman work. It tells a story that anyone with the time can go find out for themselves. It gives no special insights into that story and I know (I was there) there were many. We have been trying for quite some time now to get a certain person (I will not give his name) to write a screenplay for a major motion picture and to write the book along with it. He is the smartest person I have ever known and would write a "novel", probably an epic that would deal with most, if not all, of these issues and many that I wouldn't even be aware of. This is what makes a great writer and though, as I mentioned earlier, I have never written one myself, I am able to tell a good one from a bad one and, as I also mentioned, a novel from a peice of reportage. He swears that he is going to do it. I hope so. For Duane's legacy, if nothing else, this needs to happen.
 

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  posted on 1/21/2003 at 02:52 PM


YES the whole big picture would be nice.....not just the bad or controversial...but all the good too...and i'm sure there was a lot of GOOD too....

Sounds good and a Movie would be great......

Robert Englund as Butch.......Dennis Hopper as Dickey......James Keach as Duane....
Keifer Sutherland as Gregg......Johnny Depp as Berry..and Samuel L. Jackson as Jamoie.

just messing with ya.....

[Edited on 1/21/2003 by OldDirtRoad]

 

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  posted on 1/21/2003 at 03:12 PM
Butch I will be hoping right along with you. This definitely should be done. That was a good point about a big newspaper article. Lot of info in there but most of it public record stuff.
To the certain un-named person-Please concider getting this going. It would mean so much to us all. We are constantly looking for new information on the band. Butch said you swear you will do it and I have all faith in you that you will. All things are possible with faith and hope and love.

 

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  posted on 1/21/2003 at 03:12 PM
Butch, I think you are exactly right about capturing the whole scope of what created ABB. So few people, including musicians of the present day- forget to understand the historcal, economical, societal, etc. context in which musical events were created and how they shaped the individuals who created the music that we still listen to fervently. I read the Freeman book too and got much of the same impression. You can only get the real truth and the real story when you have the full involvement of the people involved and a good understanding of the times in which the events took place. For your sake and the rest of the band's. I hope that some day that will happen.
 

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  posted on 1/22/2003 at 07:46 AM
Butch, thank you for your responds and I certainly hope your friend writes thats novel, as I'm sure it'll be an excellent one. Best of luck on the new CD and this year tour, and certainly hope to catch y'all on the road.
 
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  posted on 1/22/2003 at 10:53 AM
This is real exciting news -- thanks for posting it Butch -- it sounds like what cleaneduphippy was mentioning in terms of the band's story, was just along the line of the band's thinking too -- something that develops the story beyond what is told in Midnight Riders. With a writer of the band's choice, and its cooperation too, it's a read that all of us couldn't wait to check out.
(sigh) without trying to be a bad person or anything, I still say that Scott Freeman did an exemplary job in telling the complicated, multifaceted story of the Allman Brothers Band. If it does read like a newspaper article, it's because he's a trained jounalist who by the way the book read, made accuracy his top priority in the project. Not all the facts are correct, but it seemed as though he was 99 percent on with his facts -- the fact that it also read as though written by a big fan of the band made the few glitches relatively palatable. The history of the ABB is wide-ranging indeed, and the more that can be written and published about the band, the better us fans like it.
Thanks again, and all the best brother -- am looking forward tremendously to the new album and this year's shows.

 

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  posted on 1/22/2003 at 11:20 AM
Butch, you have no idea how badly I'd love for this to happen... With the new album, the DVD (possibly), and all the archive stuff pending, this is one of the most exciting periods to be an Allmans fan!

About this book idea, if you want it done so badly, why can't you just get it done? I'm sure whoever this person is would love to be a part of it (who wouldn't?), so why not just get the ball rolling on it all. I'm sure you know, but there are a whole bunch of us who are dying for all this!

 

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  posted on 1/22/2003 at 01:41 PM
It doesn't sound like it is a matter of "just getting the ball rolling"- sounds like the band is waiting on this individual to give the thumbs up to do it...
 

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  posted on 1/23/2003 at 02:39 AM
I hope this comes to fruition as soon as possible. I've dreamed about an ABB movie and novel for so long; it's very encouraging for me to know Butch cares about this, too.

 

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  posted on 1/23/2003 at 06:51 AM
Thanks for posting on this topic, Butch. I liked the Freeman book if for no other reason than it's reliance on interviews with band members, including you, at the risk of sounding like a brownie. Most of us had not read all these articles or interviews from different times and publications, so getting the material under one cover was good. Before it came out, the only other one I'd ever seen was a fanzine-type thing.

I wish each of you would publish his recollections, maybe in the form of an oral history, with a good interviewer who would push a little without being a pita. Jaimno's recollections posted on this page have been fun. Chances are that no "historical novel" or even straight history could please all four original members perfectly. In any case, I hope that, by any means, someone tries again to get the story out.

 

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  posted on 1/23/2003 at 11:15 AM
Anybody with sufficient intelligence, research ability, and verbal skill can can tell the "factual" story of any given subject. Capturing the SPIRIT of a subject in words, especially a subject as rich and complex as the history of the Allman Brothers, is far more difficult.

I wish our unnamed "mystery author" good luck with the project. The story of the ABB has enough drama, memorable characters, and interesting societal context to make a great book and/or movie. Just imagine the following scenes:


The famous "first jam" with Duane saying "Anybody who doesn't want to be in this band is going to have to fight their way out" or words to that effect
The first time the band played Piedmont Park
The Fillmore East recordings
Duane and Berry's tragic deaths, and the reaction to them
Watkins Glen
The Scooter Herring trial
The Seven Turns sessions
Warren and Allen leave
Dickey's dismissal
Allen's tragic death
Warren returns


Butch is right, there is enough material for an epic there!

 
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  posted on 1/23/2003 at 03:14 PM
LoL,
As someone who's put a lot of thought into this, I don't know how all of that fits into one movie...I think after the first one is a big hit, you do a sequel featuring Warren and Allen. That's the only way to give them the props they deserve for 8 years of playing anyway.
Duane's presence, talent and leadership demand screen time, that way you really feel the loss, I think.

Other scenes I think you'd need-
*Closing night at the Fillmore. 100% necessary to me.
*The band's first time (times?) in Rose Hill
*I think the way Freeman describes Gregg and Kim Payne writing Midnight Rider would look great (and be pretty funny)
*For that matter, the writing of Jessica and Whipping Post might be cool
*I'd like to see a scene depicting the band's special relationship with the H&H
*The Layla sessions (I think the Miami show where Clapton turned up and Duane and Dickey froze would be PRICELESS)
*Remember that picture of Duane and Dickey playing slide together? I want to see the scene behind it.

Also...not how I wrote it, but it might also be fun to see-
*Gregg's dash from California to Macon, and that first band rehearsal he saw (BIG scene where he's nervous, doesn't think he can sing well enough, and Duane talks him into it...shows what a leader Duane was while also depicting their relationship)
*Some scenes with the roadies; on the road would be the best place, I think- like that really long drive across country early on...
*Corkball
*A scene with Phil Walden calling for a band meeting and asking the roadies to leave...then Duane tells him they're a part of the band
*If there's a scene from the 1973 tour (I'm sure there would be), having a cameo from a 15-year-old Cameron Crowe as a nod to Almost Famous would be cute
*Rob mentioned Duane and Berry...I think Gregg playing Melissa for Duane at the funeral would be very powerful
*A scene chronicled by Kevin Freeman and others: Duane and Jim Shepley in the early 60s- "We were at least 20 stories up, and Duane said 'Hey, man, let's hang off that tree!' He climbed until his weight pulled the tree over the building's edge, and he just dangled there laughing. That was Duane."


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  posted on 1/23/2003 at 07:23 PM
Hey, since we're talking about a movie right now, random question...where would you guys have it start? Fade in, first scene IS...

 

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  posted on 1/23/2003 at 10:46 PM
I think it should be a "flash ahead" kind of scene...starting with the current band on stage belting out Whipping Post for a few minutes then having the scene flow right into a flash back of the original band tearing up Whipping Post without missing a beat...

Then you could flash back even further to start the story of how they all came together...

 

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  posted on 1/23/2003 at 11:21 PM
I think it should start in black and white when Gregg and Duane's father was killed, what there thoughts were and how it drove them to be the legends they are.
 
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  posted on 1/24/2003 at 12:55 PM
You folks may think I am nuts on this one but I think the movie should start with the death of Duane Allman, and weave backwards and around from there.

In hindsight, the drama of the death of Duane was the ultimate of tragedy and triumph (which makes for a good movie). The band was on the cusp of their greatest success when Duane was killed. I believe the movie has to end right there...no need to go beyond that, at least for the first movie! A skilled producer will create the dynamics of weaving together the individual stories and collective experiences of the band's members, and the band's formation and ultimate success.

There really is no cinematic need to take the band through today; I guess the question is do we want high drama or an intense documentary? I vote for the former and think that structure would meet the general public's interest...

 

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  posted on 1/24/2003 at 01:03 PM
I sense an Easy Rider beginning in Jonesy's idea. I like it. I like the other two ideas as well. Those were the two I had thought about yesterday, but I decided to suggest a more humorous beginning:

Start the movie at the "Foot Shootin' Party"

 

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  posted on 1/24/2003 at 03:02 PM
Interesting point, Jonesy, although I'm not sure if it's fair to Berry... I think it has to include both.

 

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  posted on 1/24/2003 at 03:11 PM
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I think it should start in black and white when Gregg and Duane's father was killed, what there thoughts were and how it drove them to be the legends they are.



Damn Bob !!..that was what I was thinking earlier and then my damn job got in the way......Good one man.

 

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  posted on 1/24/2003 at 05:11 PM
Yeah, I hear you Marley I did think about that point- but keeping in mind the cinematic impact, Duane's role in the band and his untimely death carries the poignancy for an opening scene (IMO)- Berry's death was the exclamation point of an era coming to an end...

Needless to say I am sure when the folks in the know get into it in a movie, we will be surprised at Berry's behind the scenes impact and leadership on the band

 

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  posted on 1/26/2003 at 06:01 PM
I would agree that there's enough to make an epic film just using the history up to Duane's passing. There are so many threads to weave into that story as, Butch already pointed out,that a deeply emotional and powerful film could made.
I would also like to see a good deal about the bands reaction to intial success in the
March-Oct prior to the accident,time frame.
You could go back to Decemeber at the Fountain Blue with the 31st Of Febuary.
and me laying on Duane's amp or yelling wipe out....LOL

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  posted on 1/27/2003 at 12:36 AM
I always wanted to see that bit on film.

 

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