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  posted on 5/22/2006 at 02:18 PM
I logged onto Ticketmaster the split second that tix went on sale for the 8/12/06
show w/ Tom Petty in Hartford last Friday. I sat there refreshing my screen over and over until the sale opened. The best tickets I could get were rear pavillion. This is a joke and clear proof that something fishy is going on.

Bands ask us to honor their "policies" with regard to not trading Instant Lives or the like, etc. yet we are expected to be "porked" by ticketmaster and ticket brokers who are obviously in cahoots to hoard the best tickets. My official "policy" as a fan is that I should have as equal a chance as anybody else to get good seats. I know that the Allmans are not solely to blame for this (all bands are equally culpable in this conspiracy), but something stinks in Denmark and they are a part of it.

The next time somebody asks me to trade an Instant Live, I'll be awfully tempted to do it (but I won't b/c I have intregrity). Just a sad state of affairs that we are expected to follw band policies when they really don't don't give a half-crap about their fans. Again, this is not unique to the Allmans. Forgive this rant - I feel better now. See you in the last row in Hartford!

 
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  posted on 5/22/2006 at 02:28 PM
I'm way in the back of the reserved section for Steely Dan, too, and got on-line right when they went on-sale. I would've had better seats, but the ticketmaster site interpreted my original order for two tickets as one, and I had to start over.

I think you have to remember something, though..........their site is extremely overloaded and overworked when a show goes on sale. Think of how many private users like us you are competing with, not to mention venue and ticketmaster outlets, all trying to bring up tickets simultaneously. When you consider that, I don't really think they do all that bad, although the service charges are a rip-off for sure. Conspiracy? I kind of doubt it.

 

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  posted on 5/22/2006 at 02:33 PM
Thanks for your thoughts, but I buy a lot of tickets through Ticketmaster and I almost always get on right when they go on sale. You would think with the law of averages, I would get decent tickets ONCE. I'm not even talking about front row; I would settle for "good" seats (i.e first 20 rows???) Never has happened. If someone out there has a story about logging into to TM and getting front row seats, I will abandon my conspiracy theory, but I haven't heard such a story yet.
 

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  posted on 5/22/2006 at 02:43 PM
Having become a "Ticket Nazi" over the past couple of years and attending many shows, I feel your pain. I think for certain shows, lots of great seats are held back from the general public on on-sale day. They are often released later. I have had some Great luck already this season (Steely Dan 5th row VaBeach and 16th row PNC, 21st row Paul Simon).
However, without the ABB presale, I would have gotten nothing anywhere near the front. I haven't heard too many TM ABB success stories for the NY/NJ summer shows. Anyone get A,B,C,D at Jones Beach without the presale? Any close orchestra at PNC through TM onsale?? Are The Brothers that F'in popular right now? I was pretty amazed that some premium seats weren't available for the public on-sale. The presale seats weren't even the greatest.

 

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  posted on 5/22/2006 at 02:56 PM
A number of the summer venues are now Live Nation, which also sells tickets- you can probably do better with them than with TM.

For the Hartford show, there were two pre-sales, one for the Petty fan club and one radio pre-sales (this is posted on the Petty site), so some of the good seats were probably gone by that time.

If you keep hitting re-fresh with TM, they delay the re-freshing (look at the bottom on your window- you will see it takes a while to show "Done". You are better off to wait until a few seconds after the on-sale time and try.

All that said, you can still get screwed. I tried buying Santana tickets for PNC/Holmdel and could not get into the system until about 5 minutes after the on-sale time, and only got seats in the second tier of the orchestra from the front.

Maybe we should start a fan's cooperative to buy like the scalpers, but re-sell to members at face.

 

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  posted on 5/22/2006 at 03:04 PM
Don't forget that alot of the summer sheds have season ticket subcribers (usually corporations) that get the good seats for each and every show at that venue.

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If someone out there has a story about logging into to TM and getting front row seats, I will abandon my conspiracy theory, but I haven't heard such a story yet


I got PIT tickets for Bruce Springsteen at the Tweeter on the Waterfront in Camden, NJ. I'm not sure WHERE in the PIT as the ticket was sold as PIT-GA (general admission). Scalpers won't be allowed to sell both tickets as the purchaser must show up with photo ID and the credit card used to make the purchase. You're probably then give a wristband to enter the venue.

 

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  posted on 5/22/2006 at 03:14 PM
I go to a ton of shows, and the only time I ever got good seats via TB was for Cream at MSG. I was 8th row directly in front of Clapton and the will call policy was in effect (buyer has to show up at window with card of purchase and photo ID and is directed directly into arena). One other time was for Stones at UConn football stadium, and coulda had front rows but no way was I spending $450 plus TB charges. Most times best I can do is about 30 rows back at arenas or ten rows or more back at the smaller venues.
 

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  posted on 5/22/2006 at 03:18 PM
I would think it fascinating if someone could 'audit' a few shows and chart exactly who got what tickets and how. See how many are actually held back, how many go to agencies, etc.

Logging in can be problematic but its better than the old days of lining up for hours in the cold. I remember waiting for 4 hours for the TM office to open to grab seats for the GD, and we were delayed because some guy was buying Ice Capades tickets.

 

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  posted on 5/22/2006 at 03:21 PM
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I logged onto Ticketmaster the split second that tix went on sale for the 8/12/06
show w/ Tom Petty in Hartford last Friday. I sat there refreshing my screen over and over until the sale opened. The best tickets I could get were rear pavillion. This is a joke and clear proof that something fishy is going on.

Bands ask us to honor their "policies" with regard to not trading Instant Lives or the like, etc. yet we are expected to be "porked" by ticketmaster and ticket brokers who are obviously in cahoots to hoard the best tickets. My official "policy" as a fan is that I should have as equal a chance as anybody else to get good seats. I know that the Allmans are not solely to blame for this (all bands are equally culpable in this conspiracy), but something stinks in Denmark and they are a part of it.

The next time somebody asks me to trade an Instant Live, I'll be awfully tempted to do it (but I won't b/c I have intregrity). Just a sad state of affairs that we are expected to follw band policies when they really don't don't give a half-crap about their fans. Again, this is not unique to the Allmans. Forgive this rant - I feel better now. See you in the last row in Hartford!



You think that because ticketmaster sucks that gives you the right to violate the ABB's copyright on
Insant Lives?

You are messed up in the head.

 

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  posted on 5/22/2006 at 03:31 PM
If you want to get the best tickets you should go to a local Ticketmaster agent in your city or town and try to be the first in line. My best tickets are ALWAYS bought at the local supermarket that deals with Ticketmaster. In the same week, and I know it will never happen again, I got PIT tickets (standing room generally very close to the stage) for the Alllman Brothers Band and Phish both at Starlake Amphitheater in Burgettsotwn, PA.....and they were in the same week I don't know if those computers are allowed first connection because they are a direct link to Ticketmaster but they almost always seem the better route to go for me and my friends as well.
 

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  posted on 5/22/2006 at 04:01 PM
Johnwott - You might want to put the bong down for a second
and read my whole post. Also, before you go using big words like "copyright",
you should probably learn something about the fair use doctrine. Unless
an exploitive amount of copying is done or copies are made for commercial
use (i.e. to sell), it is highly unlikely that any court in the United States would hold a copyright to have been infringed by a couple of collectors trading a couple copies
of Instant Live recordings on a limited basis.

Please understand, I am no way suggesting or advocating that anyone test these bounds, but I am simply using this idea to illustrate a larger point. Now certainly, the ABB can request that people not do this, and they can certainly restrict somebody
from using their own property to facilitate such trading (i.e. using this web site to offer trades etc.), but basically, you know and I know that people could easily and (probably legally) trade recordings in small amounts.

The reason we don't do this is b/c we have been politely asked not to. The only point of my original post is that it would be nice if the same type of courtesy was extended back to fans in such a way that we could trust the band to market their tickets in such a way as to not disadvantage fans. Naturally, I will repeat that I don't blame the Allmans for this alone (everybody is doing it) but I would venture to guess that they probably benefit from "the fix" being in at Ticketmaster" in some way. Mind you, I cannot prove this but common sense dictates as much.


 

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  posted on 5/22/2006 at 04:12 PM
quote:
Don't forget that alot of the summer sheds have season ticket subcribers (usually corporations) that get the good seats for each and every show at that venue.

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If someone out there has a story about logging into to TM and getting front row seats, I will abandon my conspiracy theory, but I haven't heard such a story yet


I got PIT tickets for Bruce Springsteen at the Tweeter on the Waterfront in Camden, NJ. I'm not sure WHERE in the PIT as the ticket was sold as PIT-GA (general admission). Scalpers won't be allowed to sell both tickets as the purchaser must show up with photo ID and the credit card used to make the purchase. You're probably then give a wristband to enter the venue.


TerriB., in this conspiracy, that's what Oliver Stoned would refer to as "the miracle ticket".

 

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  posted on 5/22/2006 at 04:37 PM
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Johnwott - You might want to put the bong down for a second
and read my whole post. Also, before you go using big words like "copyright",
you should probably learn something about the fair use doctrine. Unless
an exploitive amount of copying is done or copies are made for commercial
use (i.e. to sell), it is highly unlikely that any court in the United States would hold a copyright to have been infringed by a couple of collectors trading a couple copies
of Instant Live recordings on a limited basis.

Please understand, I am no way suggesting or advocating that anyone test these bounds, but I am simply using this idea to illustrate a larger point. Now certainly, the ABB can request that people not do this, and they can certainly restrict somebody
from using their own property to facilitate such trading (i.e. using this web site to offer trades etc.), but basically, you know and I know that people could easily and (probably legally) trade recordings in small amounts.

The reason we don't do this is b/c we have been politely asked not to. The only point of my original post is that it would be nice if the same type of courtesy was extended back to fans in such a way that we could trust the band to market their tickets in such a way as to not disadvantage fans. Naturally, I will repeat that I don't blame the Allmans for this alone (everybody is doing it) but I would venture to guess that they probably benefit from "the fix" being in at Ticketmaster" in some way. Mind you, I cannot prove this but common sense dictates as much.




Fair use means you can make copies for your own use to same or other media.

Not to trade with others .

I haven't touched a bong in months.

Why don't you just grow up and quit whining and blaming the ABB for ticketmaster problems.

 

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  posted on 5/22/2006 at 04:41 PM
Thank God for Wikipedia!
 
 


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