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  posted on 1/4/2003 at 09:22 AM
Hey Butch,

If anybody can clear this up, you can; was the night before closing night recorded?(6/26/71)....it has long been considered the greatest show ever played by you guys. Legend has it that all the recording equipment was there but no one turned it on. (???) Here's to hoping it's in a vault somewhere....

 

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  posted on 5/1/2003 at 08:20 AM
No bro, It was NOT recorded. The trucks were outside and ready to set up the next day to record the closing night (a particularly bad show, One Way Out on EAP was from that recording, as well as Mountain Jam: a poor performance but all we had in multitrack after Duane's death). The night before closing, as far as I've been able to determine, remains only in the memories of those that were fortunate enough to be there. It was one of, if not the, musical high points of my life. I sometimes wish that I could hear what we played but mostly I like the fact that my memories of that magical night don't have to be compromised by reality.
 

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  posted on 5/1/2003 at 09:04 AM
Good stuff Butch!
If the night before the Filmore closing was one of your best shows, that must have been one hell of a show.
Thanks for everything. Linda

 

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  posted on 5/1/2003 at 08:21 PM
Thanks for the responses Butch. Myself and I'm sure everybody else really appreciate you taking the time. If you don't want to hash this out, I totally get it, but I am curious as to what you feel is so lacking in the recorded version of Mountain Jam?
 

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  posted on 5/2/2003 at 02:55 PM
Gosh, me too bro -- it's probably more out of familiarity than anything else, but I've always thought that what you guys played on Mountain Jam, could not have been exceeded by most anything the band ever did. Love it to this day, always will and am almost always hearing new wrinkles and nuances. Ludlow Garage, 3/19/71 at the Warehouse, 7/26/70 Stoneybrook are all great versions, but the one on Mr. Peach -- wow.
Utterly cool comments on 6/26/71, and sincere thanks for all that you've done.

 

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  posted on 5/5/2003 at 07:17 PM
Holy crap!! I've always thought that version of Mt Jam was from the March gigs and man if that was a poor performance I 'd love to hear a multi track better one(that's a crying shame that no on was recording). Man, that Jam version has been the Holy Grail of extended jams for me like since '72.... But Butch, you may be more critical than us fans and you guys having a bad night is still a great experience for us fans(I was at the glen)..

For anyone.. I have a radio performance from that weekend of the closing and I actually love the version of "You don't love me" is that the same night Butch is referring to? because I thought Duane was on fire during that one and a very good version of Liz Reed.

Butch ,I think the reason you as a band have endured so long is the fact your musical standards are higher than most artists. Springs teen is the same way, his performances are always close, some better than others ,but even the worst of that lot is a good night for a fan..

 

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  posted on 5/6/2003 at 12:19 PM
wow, that must have been some show

 

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  posted on 5/7/2003 at 09:46 AM
I think the way Butch put his response together may be a bit confusing,.......
the final show (6/27/71) was broadcast on the radio......
that's where the One Way Out on EAP as well as Midnight Rider(on Duane Anthology 1)
come from.........
and the YDLM & Whipping Post are GREAT but not commerically released!!!
But there was no Mountain Jam from 6/27/71.......
I too assumed the Mountain Jam on EAP is from the Fillmore 3/11,12,13/71 run.....
I still think that's true......
sure would love to see the exact selists from the March run......
it was all taped..all three nights...
the 1st night (11th) was the horn show..I was at that one and loved it.....
sure would love to hear it.......

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  posted on 5/7/2003 at 05:04 PM
Since it seems we should rename this thread "Mysteries of the Fillmore" I got another one for anybody listening: In the liner notes for the release "The Fillmore Concerts", Tom Dowd talks about how for this disk he used part of Liz Reed from AFE (Duane's solo to the end), but used an unreleased version for the first half of the tune. But if you listen, it is the entire version from AFE (unless Dickey did a note for note repeat, which would be up there with flying pigs). SlideJules timed it and found the first section is a slightly different length which leads him to believe there was an edit: maybe they accidently respliced the original back in instead of the the new unreleased version. Comments from any sages out there?
 

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  posted on 5/8/2003 at 09:31 AM
Wondrin,
I'm glad somebody else has noticed that. I've been meaning to play the two tracks one after the other, but the times I've heard the Fillmore Concerts version I've never heard a difference in anybody's solo. I'm not sure how it came to be billed the way it is. Perhaps I'll get a chance to compare tonight to be sure - but I'm pretty confident I know the At Fillmore East version by heart and would've spotted some differences.

 

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  posted on 5/8/2003 at 08:26 PM
Listened to the 27th show today, I got it off WIOQ from Philly back in the early eighties out of their archives. I like it a lot and other than a 97 beacon show, it's my favorite non commercial release. YDLM-Liz Reed -MR-Done somebody Wrong- Hot Lanta.. all great!!! maybe just one set ? any body remember Pierre? he was hosting that particular anniversary re broad cast. He had hosted a few ABB shows in Philly with Duane, he referred to those days as "space city" -"they were out there mannnn... space city"

 

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  posted on 5/12/2003 at 08:31 AM
Yes, I am quite sad really, but it was a rainy day and I had a few minutes to kill :-)

If you overlay the FE version and FC version of IMOER right on top of each other in something like cubase or wavelab, and synch it up from the start, you will find that the speeds do not match properly. I forget the details but I think maybe the FE version runs something like 0.025% faster. Enough to get a noticeable phasing effect after a few minutes on the cymbals especially. It's a really obvious echo after 5 or so minutes of the tune.

However, if you resynch it at the end of gregg's solo, you should find it stays in synch all the way to the end. Weird huh?! So, me and Wondrin decided that maybe there is a cut like Tom Dowd remembered, but maybe they spliced the top and bottom of the same take together by accident?!?!? Seems like a long shot but it's the only thing I can think of...

Seeya, Jules

 
 


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