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  posted on 4/4/2006 at 06:33 PM
Who do you think was more essential to the success of Lennon&McCartney's Beatles.....


George Martin or George&Ringo?

 
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  posted on 4/4/2006 at 06:46 PM
George Harrison. Then G. M.


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  posted on 4/4/2006 at 06:46 PM
George and Ringo without a doubt. If they hadn't gone to Hamburg and played live in front of a crowd for 8+ hours a day for months on end they wouldn't have gone back to Liverpool so blazing hot that they drove people in the clubs crazy and would not have created the buzz necessary to draw the attention of anyone in a position to further their careers. The reason the Beatles made it was because they were a blistering hot 4-piece. No doubt George Martin had a great hand in shaping them but he already had a dynamite unit to work with. Their early records, which made them and still stand up today, didn't have that much production on them - just faithful recordings of a damn good rock'n'roll band. Like the ABB, like The Band, like the Stones, like U2, the Police, the E Street Band and the Dead, great bands are forged on the road, in front of a live audience.

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  posted on 4/4/2006 at 06:47 PM
It took all the pieces to make that magic

 

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  posted on 4/4/2006 at 06:51 PM
George Martin also produced America - "the heat was hot", "alligator lizards in the air", "cause there ain't no one for to give you no pain" - which was nothing more that a slick souffle of pop drivel, fluffy and full of hot air. He wasn't able to turn them into anything more than a tenth-rate bubble gum machine.

 

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  posted on 4/4/2006 at 07:08 PM
Wasn't George one of the greatest, most melodic sliders ever?

 

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  posted on 4/4/2006 at 07:08 PM
Just an aside.....

John Lennon once complained to Yoko that people covered McCartney's music more than his. That might be true but I think that George Harrison's tunes have been covered to a great extent and if he had more songs in the Beatles catalog, might have had greater success than McCartney with cover versions. More recently Harrison's tunes have been covered quite extensively from TAXMAN (SRV and Les Claypool) to IT'S ALL TOO MUCH & I WANT TO TELL YOU (Grateful Dead). Sinatra and many others covered SOMETHING, I've heard Phish cover WHILE MY GUITAR GENTLY WEEPS (as well as many others). The Hollies recorded IF I NEEDED SOMEONE.

 

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  posted on 4/4/2006 at 07:11 PM
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Just an aside.....

John Lennon once complained to Yoko that people covered McCartney's music more than his. That might be true but I think that George Harrison's tunes have been covered to a great extent and if he had more songs in the Beatles catalog, might have had greater success than McCartney with cover versions. More recently Harrison's tunes have been covered quite extensively from TAXMAN (SRV and Les Claypool) to IT'S ALL TOO MUCH & I WANT TO TELL YOU (Grateful Dead). Sinatra and many others covered SOMETHING, I've heard Phish cover WHILE MY GUITAR GENTLY WEEPS (as well as many others). The Hollies recorded IF I NEEDED SOMEONE.


Absolutely. As great as George Martin is, no one's covering George Martin songs and the only covers of America songs are happening in Holiday Inns.

 

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  posted on 4/4/2006 at 07:42 PM
Charles Manson.

 

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  posted on 4/4/2006 at 07:50 PM
Without a doubt George Martin. He found a very raw band that was turned down by all record labels and helped them make the magic you hear on records. Without him we may never have heard of the Beatles.
 

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  posted on 4/4/2006 at 07:56 PM
Let's face it. None of it would have happened without George & Ringo. George introduced Paul to John. After the Decca auditions John, Paul & George knew they had to get rid of Pete Best & get a strong drummer like Ringo, whol they considered the best (no pun intended). George also was a catalyst here, in that he was the one that initiated contact with Ringo because he knew him best.

That being said, it was George Martin that polished the recording we have all come to love. It wouldn't have been the same without him. Just listen to the difference in the Decca auditions compared to the EMI's of Martin's. Martin allowed the creative genius to come out & shine through. Martin was a technical wizard. He knew his way around a studio, understood the process, something the Beatles did not.

The Beatles would have been The Beatles without Martin, but a studio album would probably have sounded a lot different under a different producer. Most studios of that time dictated to the bands on what they should play & sound like. It probably was a good thing that Martin was a producer that mostly did comedy albums. Martin at first didn't particularly like Ringo's drumming and got a studio drummer to fill in on "Love Me Do", The Beatles first single. Ringo did the tamborine. There is another "Love Me Do" version with Ringo playing, and he's just as good. (Ringo is one of the best & most influential drummers ever IMO) The Beatles insisted on Ringo's drumming for their recordings & Martin relented. My point is, is that Martin allowed them to do their "own thing" & polished the sound. He allowed them the leeway that others wouldn't have. Now, all (or most) bands do it. Then it was different. (Another trail blazed by The Beatles & Martin) Martin was also the one on some of the organ & piano parts of some of The Beatles work. 'Tell Me What You See' & 'What You're Doing' comes to mind. The 4 grand pianos at the end of 'A Day In The Life' were John, Paul, George Martin & Ringo hitting the same note simultaneously (that one note lasts a phenomenal 53 seconds; fantastic!)

It's just another cog in the wheel of the force that evolved into The Beatles as we know them. It all fit, it all aligned. That's why it all worked so well. That's why we still today listen to their music & feel their phenomenal influence.

 

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  posted on 4/4/2006 at 08:20 PM
Definately George..

I like to think that Martin "fine tuned" the band in the early days, and later on helped them realize thier visions for the music.

I think Brian Epstein had a HUGE part in their sucsess in the early days as wel.

 

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  posted on 4/4/2006 at 08:42 PM
Wasn't George Martin an oboist?

I'm not gonna touch the original question, I think it's a trick.

 

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  posted on 4/4/2006 at 08:46 PM
George & Ringo

 

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  posted on 4/4/2006 at 09:48 PM
It was The VOX amps (before anything else)

 

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  posted on 4/4/2006 at 10:38 PM
All 4 Beatles were essential to the success of the band, particularly early on when the live chemistry was so important. George Martin was more than just a producer. He was a translator. He translated L & M's ideas into written music. He created the effects that made their records so distinctive. Unlike the ABB, the Beatles are first and foremost a band that made great records. Without George Martin it would be impossible to imagine Sgt. Pepper, Magical Mystery Tour, Abbey Road, Revolver or, let's face it, any other Beatles album. L & M did not read or write music and Martin wrote down the songs so hired musicians could play what they wanted. Indeed, it was Martin who probably jump started the Beatles chart success by suggesting a speeded up sound for "Please Please Me" which L & M wrote to sound like a Roy Orbison dirge. He was in EVERY way the fifth Beatle. Brian Epstein put the Beatles in suits and got them their record contract and probably is most responsible for getting them to the U.S. in 1964 but from that point on,his role was largely unnecessary and his sad decline was the result of his realization of this. He was a terrible business manager as well and probably inadvertantly cost them millions in licensing fees.

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Without a doubt George Martin. He found a very raw band that was turned down by all record labels and helped them make the magic you hear on records. Without him we may never have heard of the Beatles.
Well, but without George and Ringo, there never would have been any Beatles for George Martin to make so great. It's the chicken vs. the egg.

 

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  posted on 4/5/2006 at 01:36 AM
The Road crew... could you imagine what they had to do for those guys.......
 

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  posted on 4/5/2006 at 06:51 AM
Brian Epstein. Had he not "fell in love" with them - and taken their music out of the basement (the Cavern) and marketed them the way that he did, the world might never have even heard of them.

 

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  posted on 4/5/2006 at 02:27 PM
I think it was their trousers.
 
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  posted on 4/5/2006 at 02:35 PM
I thought it was the "Mop Tops."

 

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  posted on 4/5/2006 at 03:00 PM
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John, I couldn't have said it better myself!

 

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  posted on 4/5/2006 at 03:01 PM
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Wasn't George one of the greatest, most melodic sliders ever?


Yes, in my opinion!

 

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  posted on 4/5/2006 at 04:40 PM

Four man chemistry !!!!!!!
Regardless of talent this band was Paul, John, George, and Ringo.
Subtract any and it wouldn't be the same.

 
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