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  posted on 3/7/2006 at 06:17 PM
Well Barry, Guess the little charade is now over. You are busted.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/baseball/mlb/03/06/news.excerpt/index .html?cnn=yes

 

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  posted on 3/7/2006 at 06:59 PM
QUOTE: Bonds told a group of reporters gathered around his locker, "Nope. I won't even look at it [the book]. For what? I won't even look at it. There's no need to."

MLB has blessed this charade from the beginning. Looking the other way during the McGuire/Sosa home run race and now Bond's run to catch Ruth & Aaron. What's more important breaking records & putting fannies in seats, or running an honest game? Have they no shame?

Sadly, I think we all know the answers to those questions.

 

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  posted on 3/7/2006 at 07:03 PM
Just another one of the many, many reasons I lost all interest in what used to be a very beloved sport for me.

 

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Just another one of the many, many reasons I lost all interest in what used to be a very beloved sport for me.


Me too. I loved baseball when it was a sport and not a business. I've barely paid attention to it since the strike in '93.

That does not mean I don't like a nice baseball bat.

 

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  posted on 3/7/2006 at 07:10 PM
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That does not mean I don't like a nice baseball bat.


Umm that would make you test positive also

 

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That does not mean I don't like a nice baseball bat.


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  posted on 3/7/2006 at 07:54 PM
I am not here to defend Bonds, but I thought in the United States of America you were considered innocent until proven guilty?

 

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I am not here to defend Bonds, but I thought in the United States of America you were considered innocent until proven guilty?


Uh.......this ain't a trial. Only in the "court" of public opinion.

IMO he took steriod. I think, (I think, I don't know for sure; I wasn't there) I think he took 'em & he cheated. Just like I think McGuire & Sosa cheated. I don't respect any of them, as I have very little respect for MLB for allowing it. And I feel if Roger Maris, a decent man, had to have an asterik next to his record, then these Bozos should have after their names.

Bonds, 1991


Bonds, 2004



[Edited on 3/8/2006 by crossroad_blues]

 

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  posted on 3/7/2006 at 08:31 PM
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MLB has blessed this charade from the beginning. Looking the other way during the McGuire/Sosa home run race and now Bond's run to catch Ruth & Aaron. What's more important breaking records & putting fannies in seats, or running an honest game? Have they no shame?


Goes back further than that to the days of the Bash Brothers in Oakland with McQuire/Conseco clearly juiced.

Even if Bonds did use roids, there is not much they can do under the term of the collective barganing
agreement covering those times. Can you really blame Bonds, Giambi, and Palmero when the league
turns a blind eye? And the financial incentives to take the roids?

I think a bigger outrage is when Selig and his gang of thugs extort money from the Public taxpayers
for free stadiums and parking and other consessions to cover their own bad business dealings.
Selig ran that scam on Milwaukee and now DC.

DC has schools without books and school facilities being shutdown by Federal Judges for not
meeting fire codes, yet the Politicians come up with hundreds of millions of dollars to put
in the pockets of millionares with a free stadium deal. And agree to pay for cost overruns.

When is a ball game more important than the future of children?

That sickens me more than anything these "cheaters" have done.





 

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Goes back further than that to the days of the Bash Brothers in Oakland with McQuire/Conseco clearly juiced.

Even if Bonds did use roids, there is not much they can do under the term of the collective barganing
agreement covering those times. Can you really blame Bonds, Giambi, and Palmero when the league
turns a blind eye? And the financial incentives to take the roids?

Yes, I do blame them. I blame all of them. They owe it to the trust of the public that pays their salaries.

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I think a bigger outrage is when Selig and his gang of thugs extort money from the Public taxpayers
for free stadiums and parking and other consessions to cover their own bad business dealings.
Selig ran that scam on Milwaukee and now DC.

It's not just Selig, it's all of MLB and the NFL also. As long as the leagues can hold franchises hostage and politicians grovel, this will be the norm

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DC has schools without books and school facilities being shutdown by Federal Judges for not
meeting fire codes, yet the Politicians come up with hundreds of millions of dollars to put
in the pockets of millionares with a free stadium deal. And agree to pay for cost overruns.

When is a ball game more important than the future of children?

That sickens me more than anything these "cheaters" have done.



You need to pay attention to the news a little more often. Today the DC government pledged 3.2 BILLION to the school system. Not hundreds of millions. The DC public school system spends more money per student than any other jurisdiction in the area, maybe throughout the country, something like 12 thousand per pupil. I recall (and I'll have to dig for the quote) someone on the DC council state today that it wasn't a question of money, they came up with that easily, it was a question of managing the money properly.

BTW, every millionaire ballplayer & owner was once a child. So professional sports are good for the future of some children. Just ask Barry Bonds.

[Edited on 3/8/2006 by crossroad_blues]

 

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  posted on 3/7/2006 at 09:06 PM
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Is this enough proof for you?
The authors compiled the information over a two-year investigation that included, but was not limited to, court documents, affidavits filed by BALCO investigators, confidential memoranda of federal agents (including statements made to them by athletes and trainers), grand jury testimony, audiotapes and interviews with more than 200 sources.



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IMO he took steriod. I think, (I think, I don't know for sure; I wasn't there) I think he took 'em & he cheated. Just like I think McGuire & Sosa cheated. I don't respect any of them, as I have very little respect for MLB for allowing it. And I feel if Roger Maris, a decent man, had to have an asterik next to his record, then these Bozos should have after their names.


My sentiments also. Sosa McGuire and Bonds all juicers and jerk offs. I also agree Selig had full knowledge. Just like OJ we all knew he was guilty before the trial even started.


[Edited on 3/8/2006 by Peachypetewi]

 

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  posted on 3/7/2006 at 10:19 PM
I do believe alot of these guys have been juiced to the gills, and it has definatly left a bad taste with me, and I don't think alot of the records and stats these guys have put up should stand against what some of the players of pre-steroid days accomplished. However it has not dulled my love of this game, if You no longer wish to support MLB, don't forget Your local Little Leauge,Girls Youth Softball, Babe Ruth or Pony Leauge, Your local High School or College teams, there is still alot of fun to be had without all the baggage.....Peace.....joe
 

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How much proof do you need? Where there is smoke, there is fire.


I'm playing devil's advocate here, I don't disbelieve the accusations, it's just that he hasn't tested positive. I also think that because of Bond's personality, people are more inclined to believe bad things about him, after all he is a big jacka$$

 

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  posted on 3/7/2006 at 11:07 PM
I'm with you, TerriB. I used to go to a lot of games, but I've been to maybe three since the strike, and one of those was a World Series Game. That pretty much took the shine off of Major League baseball to me, although I still love the game.

I don't believe Barry when he says he didn't take steroids.

 

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I'm with you, TerriB. I used to go to a lot of games, but I've been to maybe three since the strike, and one of those was a World Series Game. That pretty much took the shine off of Major League baseball to me, although I still love the game.

I don't believe Barry when he says he didn't take steroids.


I have had nothing to do with baseball since the strike.

I used to go to games all the time when I lived in Houston.

My son's middle name is Nolan, for one of the greatest pitchers ever. (And a damn fine Texan)

Granted, my true love is hockey, and they cancelled a whole season over money, like baseball.

But hockey is a way of life.


Hockey players don't go on the 30 day disabled list over a blister on their index finger.

 

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  posted on 3/8/2006 at 12:00 AM
Who knew?

 

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  posted on 3/8/2006 at 02:33 AM
John, you may safely root for the Cardinals, because Busch Stadium III, opening for business in a month, was funded entirely by the team, I believe. Didn't cost the non-baseball-attending public anything.

P.s. I couldn't stand that whole Mark McGwire farce. Some of what he did was not adequately controlled by Major League Baseball, that's for sure. Still, it made me sad to see the family of the late Roger Maris at Busch honoring McGwire, and Mac sorta doing this homage to them, when Mac was busting Maris's hard-earned record.
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However it has not dulled my love of this game, if You no longer wish to support MLB, don't forget Your local Little Leauge,Girls Youth Softball, Babe Ruth or Pony Leauge, Your local High School or College teams, there is still alot of fun to be had without all the baggage.....Peace.....joe
Excellent point, Joe!
Not liking baseball because of its many disagreeable superstars and MLB Inc.
is like not liking music because of its many disagreeable superstars and the RIAA.
It's like not liking the Derek Trucks Band because of Sony and the many disagreeable superstars on Carlos Santana's Sony releases.
Even if you never set foot in a major league stadium the rest of your life, baseball's still great fun on all sorts of other levels!
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Hockey players don't go on the 30 day disabled list over a blister on their index finger.
Ron, that's like saying baseball players don't lose teeth by getting hit in the mouth with a bat.
Unless they're around Terri.

Of course a blister on a hockey player's finger won't bother him! A hockey player doesn't really do anything that requires such fine motor control as certain baseball skills, does he? Let's see a hockey player, using his bare hand if he wants, manipulate the speed and the trajectory of the puck with the pinpoint control of Nolan Ryan or Chris Carpenter, and then a blister on his hand might matter, too.

Anybody here try playing guitar? (Duh!) It's like, say, if you haven't been playing much guitar, so you don't have any calluses on your fingertips. Then you play too much guitar one night, and you get a killer blood blister! It is probably less than 1/4 inch in diameter, but you absolutely cannot touch that finger to a guitar string without feeling like a needle is going into your fingertip.

I imagine certain blisters could do that to a pitcher. How's he going to pitch at a major-league level?

Now, you could play hockey with the guitar-playing blood blister or pitcher's blister---probably soccer (), maybe even drums. But you can't play guitar for days, even a couple weeks, with that tiny little blood blister.
(You can play without using the finger at all, but the music's not going to feel or sound "complete," unless you're really skilled at playing with fewer fingers than normal:
Mordecai "Three Fingers" Brown, meet Django Reinhardt!)

 

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  posted on 3/8/2006 at 05:26 AM
We've been going to the local JC baseball games lately. Good stuff: decent talent, they play hard, and it's still baseball. There is something different and almost magical about baseball. Can't explain it, but I can feel it. And the kids love it!
 

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Kinda tough to toss a baseball with a blister dude

 

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This Rick Telander Column from the Chicago Sun Times is pretty good for once.

Arrogant, greedy fraud deserves to be punished

March 8, 2006

BY RICK TELANDER SUN-TIMES COLUMNIST Advertisement

Call me nutty, but I can't stop wondering how Barry Bonds -- in his Paula Abdul wig and dress and falsies -- would do in prison.

Who knows if any criminal charges eventually will accrue, or stick, to the chemically enhanced San Francisco Giants slugger as a result of the bombshell book, Game of Shadows, excerpted by Sports Illustrated this week and to be released in full March 27.

But Bonds, who holds the single-season record with 73 home runs and has the career totals of Babe Ruth and Henry Aaron in his sights, deserves some kind of sincere punishment for his overarching fraudulence and arrogance and greed.

According to Game of Shadows, co-authored by San Francisco Chronicle reporters Mark Fainaru-Wada and Lance Williams, Bonds took so many illegal muscle-enhancing drugs to help him at baseball that it's remarkable he doesn't moo or oink when he speaks.

Or lurch like Frankenstein when he walks.

By his 73-homer season of 2001, SI.com says in its synopsis, Bonds "was using two designer steroids referred to as the Cream and the Clear, as well as insulin, human growth hormone, testosterone decanoate (a fast-acting steroid known as Mexican beans) and trenbolone, a steroid created to improve the muscle quality of cattle.''

He took Winstrol (also known as stanozolol, disgraced sprinter Ben Johnson's favorite juice), the steroid Deca-Durabolin, Clomid (a women's infertility drug that supposedly helps steroid abusers regain some of their testicular function) and Modafinil (a strong stimulant designed for narcolepsy sufferers).

You'll remember Modafinil was favored recently by those disgraced U.S. sprinters who apparently were concerned about falling asleep in their starting blocks.

Bonds, who always has denied knowingly using performance-enhancing drugs, wasn't just using.

He was a virtual lab experiment.

To stay huge, he was taking up to 20 pills at a time.

He was injecting himself, or being injected by trainer Greg Anderson, placing drops under his tongue, rubbing steroids on his skin.

Out of control

His 'roid-induced moods changed like the wind, and he allegedly dismissed his own corrupt trainer Anderson's advice about slowing down. His rages grew until he threatened, at one point, to kill his own mistress, Kimberly Bell.

All this, and much more, will be detailed in the book.

And I, for one, will not doubt any of the authors' reports. Fainaru-Wada and Williams read thousands of pages of documents and grand-jury testimony related to the BALCO steroid trial and conducted personal interviews with more than 200 people.

They are professional journalists, and I trust them.

God knows, nobody should trust Barry Bonds.

He actually began his illicit drug program at the time fully swollen St. Louis Cardinals slugger Mark McGwire and inflated-like-a-blimp Cubs star Sammy Sosa were being feted everywhere for their mammoth home-run production.

Jealousy was the prime mover.

And there were so many people complicit in Bonds' charade, either overtly or through their silence or animosity toward skeptics or old-fashioned hand-washing, that Bonds should have a cast of hundreds lumbering behind him in shame.

Apologists aplenty



Start with clownish, know-nothing baseball commissioner Bud Selig, who said, after McGwire was caught with androstenedione pills in his locker in 1998, "I think what Mark McGwire has accomplished is so remarkable, and he has handled it all so beautifully, we want to do everything we can to enjoy a great moment in baseball history.''

Selig said of drug rumors swirling around McGwire's big, fat neck, "None of this should ever diminish from Mark McGwire's extraordinary [70-homer] season.''

Then there was Stanley Brand, a lawyer for the commissioner's office, who railed that the 2005 congressional hearings on baseball and steroids were being conducted only for the investigating committee's "prurient interest.''

That is, for the lawmakers' sexual gratification.

And there were sportswriters like the renowned Hal Bodley who wrote that the drug investigations were "a witch hunt ... un-American, McCarthyism at its worst.''

And, of course, there was the Giants organization itself, which let a known cheat like trainer Anderson hang around the clubhouse as if he were royalty.

There has been so much circumstantial evidence showing that baseball has been riddled with performance-enhanced players, going back at least to Lenny Dykstra in the mid-1990s, that to deny it has seemed ridiculous.

Which hasn't stopped anybody from denying it, at least until they get caught red-handed like Jason Giambi.

Bulging with arrogance



Bonds, who now officially can be labeled a coward, used every defense to throw accusers off, including persecution, jealousy (good one, dude!), slander, stupidity and ignorance.

He said he was a martyr.

He feigned ennui.

And he played the race card, saying reporters wouldn't be dogging him, "if I'd given you guys what you wanted, smiled all the time.''

You know, like Steppin Fetchit.

As if that was what we were seeking.

Not an admission of cheating to breath-taking levels. But a 21st-century minstrel show.

"Nope, I won't even look at it,'' Bonds said of the book when reporters asked him about it Tuesday. "For what?''

Arrogant to the end.

I can't help wondering if walking a Big House yard in Abdul drag might not get Bonds some of the penance he needs.

I can hear the other cons: "Check the guns on that babe!''

Could be a match made in paradise.


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  posted on 3/8/2006 at 08:26 AM
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Just another one of the many, many reasons I lost all interest in what used to be a very beloved sport for me.


Me too. I loved baseball when it was a sport and not a business. I've barely paid attention to it since the strike in '93.

That does not mean I don't like a nice baseball bat.


You better like that bat, lol.

Baseball has always been a business, it just wasn't as big a business until the money involved escalated. Ultimately it's us fans who patronize this business and if we don't like it, we need to understand we had a part in creating it.



 

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  posted on 3/8/2006 at 09:31 AM
Actually, it was a GAME before it became a business.

 

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  posted on 3/8/2006 at 10:30 AM
seems like there are three things here:

The betrayal by a player or players
The over obssesive adoration of highly paid players
The "addiciton" of cities for sports teams

All three are related: how many cities and fans "obssessively" identify themselves with teams/players. It is alright to support sports teams, but it does seem that money is the over-riding element. I am not sure a highly paid player, entertainer, etc., etc., should be the ideal for a role model. I was very impressed by Phillip Seymour Hoffman(?) at the Oscars the other night: he pointed out the correct role model: his mother who raised by herself 4 children. Perhaps if fans and cities just SAID NO to teams and players a sort of balance might be possible vis-a-vis what is truly important.

 

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  posted on 3/8/2006 at 10:35 AM
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However it has not dulled my love of this game, if You no longer wish to support MLB, don't forget Your local Little Leauge,Girls Youth Softball, Babe Ruth or Pony Leauge, Your local High School or College teams, there is still alot of fun to be had without all the baggage.....Peace.....joe


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However it has not dulled my love of this game, if You no longer wish to support MLB, don't forget Your local Little Leauge,Girls Youth Softball, Babe Ruth or Pony Leauge, Your local High School or College teams, there is still alot of fun to be had without all the baggage.....Peace.....joe


Nice post, Joe. I agree.


Indeed. My wife and I are both on the board of our local Little League, and while it can be challenging, it is great to see these kids learn the game, get better, move up, etc. Done properly, it can be a very positive influence in a child's life, and we should never lose site of that. In some ways, Little League is baseball in it's purest form.

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