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  posted on 12/17/2005 at 08:23 AM
So...I saw an offer for two extra dTb tickets in exchange for 10 dTb shows....hmmm..I thought.

Those tickets have a face value of prolly $50.00 - way more than the cost of blanks and postage for those 10 shows.
Not only that, wouldn't trading shows for something besides getting shows in return be a form of "selling"?

My wife says don't even ask questions like that - give cash for those tickets.

But, I figure, at least one of you has an opinion (haha!) to provide on this.....

 
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  posted on 12/17/2005 at 08:35 AM
the dude is setting his price,
if he want's to sell the show for a dollar he can
I say go for it. plus you'd probably make his day
with the shows. For me personally, I would consider it a barter
not so much a sale in terms of dollars and cents.

 

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  posted on 12/17/2005 at 09:13 AM
well.......wouldnt that mean that you are garnering value (in goods) from the exchange of live shows? that is bad.....but with that being said, if it was presented as "these are a gift, and if you really want to thank me you might consider hooking me up with some live shows" then i would probably do it benji.

and for the love of god, give him the Saturday Wanee show

 

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  posted on 12/17/2005 at 09:22 AM
Saturday Wanee show, and that last soundboard from the IMAC (10.16.02 i think) and the Pittsburg show from 11/04 and I really like the 12/3/05....it's easy to find waaaaaaaaay more than 10 great dTb shows.

Prolly pay, plus send some shows....

 
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  posted on 12/17/2005 at 10:09 AM
Maybe, he really loves the band, has no need for the money, and would appreciate fine music. Sometimes the real value is in the listening, not what is in the wallet

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Carlos "or maybe, his wife is punishing him for getting too esoteric" Rivera

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  posted on 12/17/2005 at 10:44 AM
I gave some shows for tix once. Someone posted that he had 2 extras, someone backed out the day of the show. He was the one that said just give me some shows (he knew I traded). I gave the other ticket I had to Hoosier (that's the day I met Ryan, got a cheap tix and met a good friend)

I think as long as you use the tix and not sell them it's OK.

 

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  posted on 12/17/2005 at 12:17 PM
Ben,
Got to agree w/Linnie on this one.The bands allow their music to be traded and shared "freely" with no gain. This covers your bnp's as there is no exchange except someone's volunteered time, and the even trades not allowing "profit" for anyone.
Now the exchanging of the shows for tickets involves goods and services. You are gaining some profit, the cost of the discs ~ 10 shows, would be way less than the face value of the tickets. This looks like a "sticky " area to me.
Offer to pay cash for the tickets, listen to your wife ( She's always right anyway ~ wink-wink ) Then send the guy the shows as a holiday gift

 

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  posted on 12/17/2005 at 01:58 PM
you can look at it like a fair monetary exchange
where ya might wanna burn him a spindle, then cost of disc plus the energy burning would be more equitable
or just that its a gift exchange
he's gifting you and your gifting him
when I give christmas gifts I don't expect the same value be exchanged
it's all how ya look at it
Now, how the band may look... may be different

 

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  posted on 12/17/2005 at 02:22 PM
Right or wrong I don't know but I haid tickets to sell at an out of town venue. Had no burner and a handful of shows. A guy offered me 1/2 cash & a bunch of shows as he really wanted to go but was short on $. I was thrilled to have the shows and have Since picked up a few more. Worked good for both us at the time.

 

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  posted on 12/17/2005 at 04:02 PM
There is alot more to life than money. If the cost of a DTB show was based on the pleasure attained from the evening, than it would be worth a heck of a lot more than 30 or $35.

Of course, in my mind, a couple of blank CD-R's with lets say GD 5/2/70 burned on to them is worth a heck of a lot more than just the cost of the blanks! HAH HAH!!!

What exactly is the going rate for salvation anyway?

 

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  posted on 12/17/2005 at 04:45 PM
It kind of sounds like the eBay'rs that everyone would kill rather than pay $35 for a three disc show. Don't they say you're paying the $35 for the sleeve art & the case & the show is free? However I don't see Jim's desire to take him up on the offer the bad here. It's the guy for offering it in the first place. He's the one offering the wrongful transaction. If not Jim then someone else.

 

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  posted on 12/17/2005 at 05:10 PM
Hey!
I'm not taking him up on the offer...well, I'm trying to get the tix, but for money...

I think this is one of those "play it by ear" type of deals.
If I knew the person, I think things would be different - in this case I don't and his post (on the Derektrucks.com message board, BTW) was an offer to sell the tickets OR exchange them for some shows.
If this were happening with someone I knew from here, I'd be comfortable viewing it as a sort of exchange of gifts, but I don't know this person, so it would prolly be more of a business-type transaction, where using a dTb show wouldn't be "right", at least not for me.

I'm not sure if the tickets are still available (and they're for two other people here, not me)....and...if this seller doesn't have any dTb (and no high speed internet) I'll have to send him some anyway....

Thanks for the ethics class!

 
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