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Author: Subject: Did anyone see a Duane era show in Chicago 1971?

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  posted on 10/26/2005 at 02:03 AM
I am trying to find out if anybody remembers the ABB playing Chicago in 1971. There are no dates on the calender for the original ABB ever playing Chicago - which is strange enough in itself - but the reason I ask is that we appear to have a recording of a Duane era show that may well be from Chicago.

Below is what I posted earlier in the trades section which explains the background - any input gratefully received.

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A short while ago Clay, Sal Capitano, Masahiko Yamura and myself had a discussion on a thread here in the trades section regarding the legitimacy of the Central Park shows of 07/21/71

At that time we were all agreed that there was a legitimate early show with a set list as follows:

ABB - 07/21/71 - Early Show
1 Statesboro Blues
2 Trouble No More
3 Don't Keep Me Wonderin'
4 Done Somebody Wrong
5 One Way Out
6 Midnight Rider
7 In Memory of Elizabeth Reed
8 You Don't Love Me
9 Revival

With regards to the late show, however, we had two offerings. The first, a tape from Sal, had just four tracks as follows:

In Memory of Elizabeth Reed *
Mountain Jam
Stormy Monday
Revival *

* different versions from the early show

The background crowd noise was similar on all four tracks suggesting that they were from the same show. They were, however, four individual tracks with cuts at the start and finish of each one, and clearly out of order because at the end of Stormy Monday you could hear the opening riff of Mountain Jam which precedes it on this tape.

The second offering was a liberated bootleg from Masahiko which was a 2 disc version with the following setlist:

Disc 1
1 Statesboro Blues
2 Trouble No More
3 Don't Keep Me Wonderin'
4 Done Somebody Wrong
5 One Way Out
6 In Memory Of Elizabeth Reed
7 Stormy Monday

Disc 2
1 Mountain Jam
2 Revival

A couple of weeks ago Masahiko kindly sent me his re-mastered version of these discs and so, with my wife away for the weekend, I have spent quite a bit of time listening to both versions intently on headphones to ascertain points of reference.

My conclusion is that the last two tracks on disc 1 and both tracks on disc 2 of Masahiko's version are the same tracks as the 4 on Sal's tape. What's more, Masahiko's versions are complete, transition into one another and include Duane's band introductions prior to the last track.

I am also certain that the first five tracks are not copies from the early show, and they all flow into one another and are clearly from one show. There is an obvious splice between tracks 5 and 6, but I would have been more suspicious had there not been given that we know from available film clips that Hot Lanta was played but does not feature here.

The background crowd noise behind the first five tracks is "similar" to that of the final four tracks, so they "might" be from the same show. I still want to cross reference with my other shows that have the same 5 opening tracks to check if they have been copied from anywhere else.

So, there is every possibility that we have a fairly complete show here, BUT, when listening intently on headphones for reference points between Sal's and Masahiko's versions, I came across one that suggests that the show is not from Central Park. During the final part of the last track, Revival, where the chorus is just repeating "Love Is Everywhere" over and over again, Gregg clearly says "In Chicago".

If you have either of these versions and want to check this for yourselves it occurs at 3:41 in Sal's version and at 4:49 in Masahiko's version.

Question 1 - If they are playing Central Park, NYC, why would Gregg sing "Love Is Everywhere In Chicago"?

Question 2 - Given that at least the last four tracks, and possibly all of them, are from a genuine show somewhere, what is the possible date? I have checked through the HTW calendar and there are no Duane era shows listed for Chicago - yet this show is clearly a spring / summer 1971 show.

It would be great to get to the bottom of this because Masahiko has done an excellent re-mastering job and it is a fine show that ought to be traded. At the moment it would have to be as an unknown venue possibly in Chicago from an unknown date probably in 1971.

Any of you Chicago folk remember the Brothers visiting in 1971?

 

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  posted on 10/26/2005 at 09:43 AM
Harvey, quite possible tape is something other than as listed. Another possibility is that Gregg may have been making a reference to Chicago or an event happening in CHicago such as a Peace rally or some political rally, etc etc. Just more food for thought as I dont hear any loud cheering when he says Chicago (which would be the normal response if they were in CHicago)

 

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  posted on 10/26/2005 at 10:32 AM
Good research there, I agree there are many ways it could be taken, I tried this once and got frustrated because I was hearing things

 

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  posted on 10/26/2005 at 12:35 PM
the brothers played a show at the auditorium theatre in chicago on 8/28/71. cowboy opened. no tape is known to exist. would love to hear this set of thought provoking oxide or is it all digital now?

 

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  posted on 10/26/2005 at 02:54 PM
Thanks very much for the input Skip - I very much appreciate your thoughts on this matter as nobody can have listened to the Brothers music more intently than you.

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Harvey, quite possible tape is something other than as listed.


Yes, Clay mentioned that it was quite common for bootleggers to take a partial show and pad it out with tracks from another night in order to turn it into a bogus complete show.

If that is the case here then I suspect that the final 4 tracks of Masahiko's bootleg (being the same 4 tracks that appear on Sal's tape) comprise the genuine partial show with the first 5 tracks added to pad the show out. I intend to compare the opening of the show with all other shows that commence with these 5 tracks to see if I can spot any cloning, but that is no small task given the number of 71 shows that opened with them.

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Another possibility is that Gregg may have been making a reference to Chicago or an event happening in CHicago such as a Peace rally or some political rally, etc etc. Just more food for thought as I dont hear any loud cheering when he says Chicago (which would be the normal response if they were in CHicago)


Yes indeed, I wondered about this as well and "googled" the date, but all I could come up with for July 71 in Chicago was that the University Buildings that had housed the Manhatten Project were closed down - and by complete co-incidence Rod Stewart and the Faces played the Auditorium in Chicago on 7/21/71.

 

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  posted on 10/26/2005 at 03:11 PM
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the brothers played a show at the auditorium theatre in chicago on 8/28/71, cowboy opened. no tape is known to exist.


That is very interesting to hear . . . if only we had a set list for that night.

It is particularly interesting that you mention that Cowboy opened, I know that they did so quite often in this era, and in fact opened for them at the Central Park show that this bootleg purports to be from . . . the reason I say this is interesting is because right at the very start before the opening chords of Statesboro Blues you can hear somebody in the audience near to the taper mention "Cowboy".

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would love to hear this set of thought provoking oxide or is it all digital now?


Check your PM's . . .

If we ever get to the bottom of this mystery you can be sure that the show will be freely traded, but for now it remains a bootleg of dubious origin.

Any further thoughts or evidence on this matter will be greatly received - thanks to all for taking an interest.







[Edited on 10/27/2005 by harvey]

 

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  posted on 10/28/2005 at 11:19 AM
Information only (Same note is posted to Trade section)

I compared "Done Somebody Wrong" of both Central Park video clip from Denza's DVD and my remastered one each other.
Saying from the conclusion, both are completely same.
Start from 0:56 of my version (Disc 1: #3) is matched to start of the Central Park video clip.
Currently I am confused but I have to think that Hot 'Lanta might be played after Revival as really last encore of that show.
I can't explain why Gregg sang "In Chicago" at repeat part of Revival...
More investigation might be needed.


[Edited on 10/29/2005 by MasahikoYamaura]

 

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  posted on 10/29/2005 at 12:21 PM
I too have listened to Done Somebody Wrong quite intently and compared Masahiko's CD with Denza's DVD and I have to agree with Masahiko that they are the same recording.

Furthermore, I received a PM from Masahiko today as follows:

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I've heard "Revival" again and again, and noticed this. At the repeat part of "People can you feel it, Love is everywhere", you noted that Gregg said "In Chicago" at after this part, but at one repeat part before, Gregg said "In Central Park" !!! Yes, he said like as follows:

(People can you feel it, love is everywhere) "In Central Park"
(People can you feel it, love is everywhere) "Not Chicago"



I have since listened to this section again and again and I agree with Masahiko . . . so after all it would appear that the liberated bootleg is the genuine late show, not complete, because it is still missing "Hot Lanta", but I am satisfied sufficiently to think that unless anybody has any further evidence to the contrary that the show should be free to trade.

Well done Masahiko.

 

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  posted on 10/29/2005 at 06:04 PM
Thanks Colin and I think Duane lead us to resolve this doubts.

 

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  posted on 11/7/2005 at 04:11 PM


wow!! good stuff!!!

 

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  posted on 11/7/2005 at 04:18 PM
In answer to the 'thread question', NO I never saw him and am kicking myself everyday!!!

 

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  posted on 11/7/2005 at 04:43 PM
Anyone check the date of the Chicago 7 trial? Off-hand, Gregg might have been making a reference to their date with Julius Hoffman

 

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  posted on 11/7/2005 at 04:55 PM
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Anyone check the date of the Chicago 7 trial? Off-hand, Gregg might have been making a reference to their date with Julius Hoffman
Carlos...where is your signature sig???

 

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  posted on 11/7/2005 at 04:59 PM
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Anyone check the date of the Chicago 7 trial? Off-hand, Gregg might have been making a reference to their date with Julius Hoffman


Nice thought Carlos - but they were sentenced Feb 1970.

It has to be something along those lines though.

 

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  posted on 11/7/2005 at 05:19 PM
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Nice thought Carlos - but they were sentenced Feb 1970.

It has to be something along those lines though.
* a bit of trivia...can anyone tell me which Chgo 7 member during the trial had his mouth duct taped??? And yes I know the answer

 

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  posted on 11/7/2005 at 05:31 PM
I believe it was Bobby Seals, before he was removed from
the court room.

 

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  posted on 11/7/2005 at 05:36 PM
DING DING DING DING DING!!!!!!!!! YEP!!

 

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  posted on 11/7/2005 at 05:42 PM
*okay, here's another one...What famous actress was married to a member and what was his name?

 

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  posted on 11/7/2005 at 05:48 PM
Thomas Hayden ( Jane Fonda )




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  posted on 11/7/2005 at 05:51 PM
YEP! marco, we need to get a life!!!

 

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  posted on 11/7/2005 at 08:15 PM
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Another good point for the WD-40 & duct tape thread, Susie!

 

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  posted on 11/7/2005 at 08:48 PM
LOL Peter

 

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  posted on 11/7/2005 at 08:53 PM
I've Googled "Chicago July 21 1971," and got brainyhistory.com, which yielded a couple items on or near the July 21 date that could have caused a history-minded Gregg to unnecessarily turn a nice line into a slur on a great city:
"(People can you feel it, love is everywhere) 'Not Chicago' "

July 18, 1921 Black Sox trial begins in Chicago
July 21, 1919 Dirigible crashes through Chicago bank skylight, killing 13



". . . Another terrifying event occurred on July 21, 1919, when the Goodyear dirigible ( the forerunner of the “blimp”) the WING FOOT crashed into the Illinois Trust and Savings Building at 231 South LaSalle Street.* Just minutes before the bank closed for the day, the dirigible, powered by 95,000 cubic feet of very flammable hydrogen, suddenly crashed to the earth. The WING FOOT tore into the iron supports holding the glass skylight of building in place and the two engines and gasoline tanks crashed to the floor of the bank. Glass and steel rained down onto the employees, along with a deadly shower of fuel. The rotunda was instantly consumed in flames, trapping tellers and stenographers inside. . . ."
http://www.prairieghosts.com/chi_fires.html

* This bank building is on the NE corner of LaSalle and Jackson, between the Rookery and the Chicago Board of Trade Building previous to the one we know (which wasn't built until 1930).


 

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  posted on 11/7/2005 at 08:59 PM
Well Peter, let's not forget Al Capone as far as "marring" our fine city. Yet he was loved by neighborhood people!!!

 

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  posted on 11/7/2005 at 09:01 PM
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Anyone check the date of the Chicago 7 trial? Off-hand, Gregg might have been making a reference to their date with Julius Hoffman

Carlos, you are the about the 5th person who's mentioned this. Personally, I don't think Gregg's mention of Chicago was because he was in Chicago. I think it just a reference, or even he might have thought he was in Chicago?


 
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