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Author: Subject: Central Park 07/21/71 LATE SHOW - BOGUS OR REAL?

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  posted on 10/24/2005 at 03:07 PM
A short while ago Clay, Sal Capitano, Masahiko Yamura and myself had a discussion on a thread here in the trades section regarding the legitimacy of the Central Park shows of 07/21/71

At that time we were all agreed that there was a legitimate early show with a set list as follows:

ABB - 07/21/71 - Early Show
1 Statesboro Blues
2 Trouble No More
3 Don't Keep Me Wonderin'
4 Done Somebody Wrong
5 One Way Out
6 Midnight Rider
7 In Memory of Elizabeth Reed
8 You Don't Love Me
9 Revival

With regards to the late show, however, we had two offerings. The first, a tape from Sal, had just four tracks as follows:

In Memory of Elizabeth Reed *
Mountain Jam
Stormy Monday
Revival *

* different versions from the early show

The background crowd noise was similar on all four tracks suggesting that they were from the same show. They were, however, four individual tracks with cuts at the start and finish of each one, and clearly out of order because at the end of Stormy Monday you could hear the opening riff of Mountain Jam which precedes it on this tape.

The second offering was a liberated bootleg from Masahiko which was a 2 disc version with the following setlist:

Disc 1
1 Statesboro Blues
2 Trouble No More
3 Don't Keep Me Wonderin'
4 Done Somebody Wrong
5 One Way Out
6 In Memory Of Elizabeth Reed
7 Stormy Monday

Disc 2
1 Mountain Jam
2 Revival

A couple of weeks ago Masahiko kindly sent me his re-mastered version of these discs and so, with my wife away for the weekend, I have spent quite a bit of time listening to both versions intently on headphones to ascertain points of reference.

My conclusion is that the last two tracks on disc 1 and both tracks on disc 2 of Masahiko's version are the same tracks as the 4 on Sal's tape. What's more, Masahiko's versions are complete, transition into one another and include Duane's band introductions prior to the last track.

I am also certain that the first five tracks are not copies from the early show, and they all flow into one another and are clearly from one show. There is an obvious splice between tracks 5 and 6, but I would have been more suspicious had there not been given that we know from available film clips that Hot Lanta was played but does not feature here.

The background crowd noise behind the first five tracks is "similar" to that of the final four tracks, so they "might" be from the same show. I still want to cross reference with my other shows that have the same 5 opening tracks to check if they have been copied from anywhere else.

So, there is every possibility that we have a fairly complete show here, BUT, when listening intently on headphones for reference points between Sal's and Masahiko's versions, I came across one that suggests that the show is not from Central Park. During the final part of the last track, Revival, where the chorus is just repeating "Love Is Everywhere" over and over again, Gregg clearly says "In Chicago".

If you have either of these versions and want to check this for yourselves it occurs at 3:41 in Sal's version and at 4:49 in Masahiko's version.

Question 1 - If they are playing Central Park, NYC, why would Gregg sing "Love Is Everywhere In Chicago"?

Question 2 - Given that at least the last four tracks, and possibly all of them, are from a genuine show somewhere, what is the possible date? I have checked through the HTW calendar and there are no Duane era shows listed for Chicago - yet this show is clearly a spring / summer 1971 show.

It would be great to get to the bottom of this because Masahiko has done an excellent re-mastering job and it is a fine show that ought to be traded. At the moment it would have to be as an unknown venue possibly in Chicago from an unknown date probably in 1971.

Any of you Chicago folk remember the Brothers visiting in 1971?

As always, your comments are welcomed, but at the moment I don't think we have a Central Park Late Show in existence.






[Edited on 10/28/2005 by harvey]

 

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  posted on 10/24/2005 at 08:18 PM
Very great detective, Colin. And thank you so much for taking time.

I didn't notice that Gregg said "In Chicago" at Revival's repeat part.
I heard it once again and, yes he said so.
But there are one more point I've noticed. At first track/disc 1, before start of Statesboro Blues, you can hear ABB done some tuning and crowd was talking. At this point someone talked about Cowboy.
Please check following link, there are program list of Schaefer Music Festival '71.

http://www.fillmore-east.com/schaefer.htm

Then you will see that Cowboy played at same day (Opening acts?)
By this point, I thought this show is from Central Park, but now I have some doubts by your mention.
There are 3 video clips of this day at Denza's DVD project, and Liz Reed was obviously from early show, rest were seem to be from late show (Duane's shirt is not same as that of Liz Reed, and in Liz Reed he wared famous indian shirt).
Currently I wasn't compare Done Somebody wrong each other and I think I have to do it.

 

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  posted on 10/26/2005 at 10:26 PM
Interesting stuff here. Any update on the detective work?

 

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  posted on 10/27/2005 at 02:36 AM
Donny, I have moved this thread up to the "Anything Goes" section to catch a wider audience and have had a couple of responses up there. The next stage of the investigation is a bit drawn out as it entails listening to every Duane era show with the same 5 openning tracks to check for cloning - and there are quite a few shows that open with those same 5 tracks in 1971!!!

Glad you find it interesting.

 

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  posted on 10/28/2005 at 11:22 AM
Information only (Same note is posted to Anything Goes section)

I compared "Done Somebody Wrong" of both Central Park video clip from Denza's DVD and my remastered one each other.
Saying from the conclusion, both are completely same.
Start from 0:56 of my version (Disc 1: #3) is matched to start of the Central Park video clip.
Currently I am confused but I have to think that Hot 'Lanta might be played after Revival as really last encore of that show.
I can't explain why Gregg sang "In Chicago" at repeat part of Revival...
More investigation might be needed.

[Edited on 10/29/2005 by MasahikoYamaura]

 

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  posted on 10/29/2005 at 12:24 PM
I too have listened to Done Somebody Wrong quite intently and compared Masahiko's CD with Denza's DVD and I have to agree with Masahiko that they are the same recording.

Furthermore, I received a PM from Masahiko today as follows:


quote:
I've heard "Revival" again and again, and noticed this. At the repeat part of "People can you feel it, Love is everywhere", you noted that Gregg said "In Chicago" at after this part, but at one repeat part before, Gregg said "In Central Park" !!! Yes, he said like as follows:

(People can you feel it, love is everywhere) "In Central Park"
(People can you feel it, love is everywhere) "Not Chicago"


I have since listened to this section again and again and I agree with Masahiko . . . so after all it would appear that the liberated bootleg is the genuine late show, not complete, because it is still missing "Hot Lanta", but I am satisfied sufficiently to think that unless anybody has any further evidence to the contrary that the show should be free to trade.

Well done Masahiko.

 

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  posted on 10/29/2005 at 12:37 PM


Lt Columbo, at your service.

 

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  posted on 10/29/2005 at 06:03 PM
Thanks Colin and I think Duane lead us to resolve this doubts.

 
 


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