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  posted on 10/23/2005 at 09:07 PM
Can someone help me in figuring out who is playing which solo? I've heard that Duane always played the harmony part on the dual leads and that Dickey played the main melody. I've also read that Dickey's guitar had a "harder edge metallic ring" while Duane's has a "smoother, rounder tone." On a few song's I've listened to, it seems like Dickie is on the left channel and Duane on the right. I've also been assuming that any slide on songs they both play on is being played by Duane. Any help would be appreciated. I'm almost 52 and have been a big ABB fan since I was a freshman in college. Thanks.
 
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  posted on 10/23/2005 at 10:50 PM
usually Duane is on the left channel and Dickey on the right...unless I have them confused as I listen to alot of bootlegs where the channels are mixed up. But on all thier officil albums its one certain way.
 

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  posted on 10/23/2005 at 11:19 PM
you're correct about dickey having the more "harder metalic ring" and duane having the "smoother, rounder tone" when it comes to the sound of their guitars. that's what first helped me pick up who was playing what until i was able to distinguish each players unique style. even now some 30 years later it's hard for me to tell who's playing what on some of the more intricate double lead runs. if there are particular songs that you are not sure who does what solo or harmony part i'm sure the folks here will be more than happy to help out.

 

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  posted on 10/24/2005 at 03:42 AM
Duane plays a Gibson Les Paul, Dickey usually a Gibson SG.
Duane is the only slide player, and (with lead) he usually take the first solo except for: Liz Reed, Hoochie Coochie Man and Black Hearted Woman.
Remember that, when Duane plays slide, Dickey take the first lead solo, then Duane on slide (except for "Statesboro Blues" until June '71, and "Dreams" which is played entirely by Duane).


 

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  posted on 10/24/2005 at 08:38 AM
When it comes to determining which guitar player is playing which solo there have been many different methods offered up by even more people. While each one has its good points, they are all capable of misleading the discerning listener due to the fact that recordings vary.

There is however, one way of determing who plays which solo that is virtually fool proof. Listening to their material over and over and over. Preferably through headphones at good volume. I myself have been prescribing to this method beginning when I settled in San Diego in the late 70's, and after 5-10 years I could tell who was who after hearing no more than a couple of notes.

I suppose it's like being around a pair of identical twin children. The way in which you learn how to tell them apart by subtle differences in mannerisms, propensities, etc. Subtle differences that are sensed more than noticed.

Knowing who plays which solo is much easier largely because Duane was truly one of the best ever. Don't get me wrong, Dickey's playing is excellent, and his work speaks for itself, especially the melodic way in which his solos utilize dynamics and structure to have a start, a climax, and an appropriate end.

But Brother Duane was truly, a supremely gifted master of his instrument. His melodicism, his technique, his dynamics, and the incredible depth of his music that allowed each solo he played to be entirely new and different from previously solos, never repetitive. Most of all though, you will come to appreciate the impassioned spiritualism with which Duane affected people and still to this day touches peoples lives and souls. By definition, the truth of this concept is born out by all of us who come to this very web site seeking yet further insight to "The Music".


In summation:

Listening closely to the Allman Brothers music is indeed a truly wonderful experience. What's even better though, is that the more it is experienced, the better you will become at enjoying it. But much, much more than simply knowing who is playing what solo, the diligent listener will be able to feel, appreciate, and be overwhelmed by the depth and intensity of emotion that Duane could manifest with just a single note.

[Edited on 10/24/2005 by marionsindorf]

[Edited on 10/24/2005 by marionsindorf]

 

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  posted on 10/24/2005 at 09:23 AM
Listen also to the intro to the different live versions of "Elizabeth Reed". On many (but not all--these are mere mortals, of course!), Duane and Dickey play the unison melodic line so incredibly closely that it sounds like one guitar, making it even more dramatic when the third run-through splits into melody and harmony. Breathtaking, these boys were (as would say Yoda).

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  posted on 10/24/2005 at 08:17 PM
I don't know how many times I've listened to Stormy Monday from LAFE. (thousands?) But I'm still not sure who does which solo. Sometimes I think Dickey does the first, sometimes I think Duane. Pretty sure Duane does the second. Wouldn't surprise me if I'm wrong. Every time I hear them I marvel at the playing. Pure Gold. Pure Gold.

Hey Rockfish, you from around the CB?

[Edited on 10/25/2005 by crossroad_blues]

 

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  posted on 10/24/2005 at 08:48 PM
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I don't know how many times I've listened to Stormy Monday from LAFE. (thousands?) But I'm still not sure who does which solo. Sometimes I think Dickey does the first, sometimes I think Duane. Pretty sure Duane does the second. Wouldn't surprise me if I'm wrong. Every time I hear them I marvel at the playing. Pure Gold. Pure Gold.
[Edited on 10/25/2005 by crossroad_blues]


About Stormy Monday from LAFE, Duane played first solo, it's sure.
You can hear that first solo comes from left speaker, and also all the notes/passage is obviously Duane's.
I've loved to hear him for very long time, and just as you mentioned he and Dickey's play is so awesome.
Yes, really Pure Gold!

[Edited on 10/25/2005 by MasahikoYamaura]

 

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  posted on 10/25/2005 at 04:03 AM
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I don't know how many times I've listened to Stormy Monday from LAFE. (thousands?) But I'm still not sure who does which solo. Sometimes I think Dickey does the first, sometimes I think Duane. Pretty sure Duane does the second. Wouldn't surprise me if I'm wrong. Every time I hear them I marvel at the playing. Pure Gold. Pure Gold.
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I have 10 ABB shows of the Duane era in which they played "Stormy Monday", Duane take ever the first solo.

I agree with the pure gold!

 

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  posted on 10/25/2005 at 02:07 PM
"Where Duane burned, Dickey glowed." - Tom Dowd

 

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  posted on 10/25/2005 at 03:47 PM
i remember when i was just a kid of 20 how i could never tell who was playing what in "you don't love me" from fillmore east.

now it seems easy: duane is smooth because he's got his amp CRANKED. dickey has 100 watters on 5. run you out of a room but still clean.

as a grown up musician, i know both of them's pet licks and can go "a-ha!" and such but for the novice, it's daunting. i recommend you get 12-13-70 and listen to them trade licks on "you don't love me". you hear a slight difference but the main thing is you get enough of it under your ear and you'll go "wow!", especially with them swapping and such.

also on LAFE, duane plays with the drums, dickey comes in after the drums drop out. i used to think it was all one guy but that lil clue came in handy. the other thing i used to do was go to the climaxes of "liz reed" and "whipping post" and latch onto which speaker the climaxing pull offs that sound like coltrane are coming out of..and there's your sign!

so, to sum up...anytime you want to figure it out, compare who has a "fuzzier", "distorted", or "oh wow, that's clean sounding" tone and follow the "duane on the left, dickey on the right" rule and you should be fine.

also grab brothers and sisters and listen to jessica and southbound over and over, then go back to the first 3 albums. should make you go "a-ha!".

 

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  posted on 10/25/2005 at 04:31 PM
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also on LAFE, duane plays with the drums, dickey comes in after the drums drop out.
Hang on there, Jazz Bass.
As the band drops out during Duane's second short solo, Duane continues a capella, very bluesy, souful.
Dickey comes in along with Butch for the long solo/duet.
The band comes in, and it's Duane, who is featured through to the end (besides some harmonies by Dickey), including another short a capella passage before the band comes back in to the close.

Rockfish, it is tough to tell. You can list all the songs and eventually get all the Duane and Dickey parts sorted out, though. Despite the thousands of listens, it does help to grab a guitar and play along. After a while you'll recognize phrasing that is typical ("typical"--ha!) of each guitarist, and you'll be surprised on solos where you'll go, "Oh--that's one of Duane's!"

 

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  posted on 10/25/2005 at 05:07 PM
whooo hoo, that is right. it's dickey with the drums. my bad. that's what i get posting fast and furious.

thanky!

and yes, typical...har de har har but you're right. 25 years later, it's easy but at the time, i was a'struggling too.

what's amazing is they really didn't play things the same way. i've been a disciple of duane since i was still in my teens but only this year, starting to get into the "concert recordings", am i aware of the true heights they soared to.


duane doesn't play as many major licks as dickey, that's the simplest way for me to think of it.

oh jeez, i gotta say again that "don't want you no more/it's not my cross to bear" changed my life.

thank you, peter,for catching my faux paus. i just listened to FE last week too.
the "you don't love me" from 12-13-70 is killing me today, just killing me. and the guy wasn't even 25 when he passed.



 

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  posted on 10/26/2005 at 08:05 AM
Glad you're getting it!!!

Another 99% infallible way of telling their lead styles apart is to pay attention to the beginning and ends of the notes at the top and tail of each phrase that they play. Dickey tends to be more delliberate with his note choices, and each phrase will usually start and stop with a well defined note. Duane on the other hand occasionally slides up to the notes at the start of the phrase, and down away from them at the end. Those tiny little slides between phrases gave his playing this very fluid and slippery feel, wheras Dickey's note choices were more tightly defined. The fact that Dickey picks very near the bridge, and holds the pick very hard, also contrasts with Duane's style where it doesn't seem like he actually hits the strings terribly hard (although with the extra gain he used, he didn't really have to).

Works for me, anyway :-)

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  posted on 10/26/2005 at 01:37 PM
Right on Jules

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  posted on 10/26/2005 at 09:58 PM
Hey Crossroad, Hate to sound ignorant, but what/where is the CB?
 

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  posted on 10/27/2005 at 12:26 AM
cogent analysis, jules.

hey, what's this about your tendinitis? i blew my hands out using tens jacked up way high. now i have 9's on every axe and i'm still trying to learn to play with finesse. low action just feels so weird.

a really good song to listen for the subtle nuances between them is blue sky. if you didn't know any better, you'd think it was all one guy.
stark contrasts are definitely liz reed, hot'lanta and mountain jam.

 

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  posted on 10/28/2005 at 04:34 PM
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Hey Crossroad, Hate to sound ignorant, but what/where is the CB?


Cheasapeake Bay. Figured with a name like "Rockfish" you might be from around these parts.
Other areas usually call 'em Strippers.

(P.S. We got those "CB" stickers on half the cars around here. Like those "OBX" stickers.)

 

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  posted on 11/1/2005 at 07:48 PM
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Can someone help me in figuring out who is playing which solo? I've heard that Duane always played the harmony part on the dual leads and that Dickey played the main melody. I've also read that Dickey's guitar had a "harder edge metallic ring" while Duane's has a "smoother, rounder tone." On a few song's I've listened to, it seems like Dickie is on the left channel and Duane on the right. I've also been assuming that any slide on songs they both play on is being played by Duane. Any help would be appreciated. I'm almost 52 and have been a big ABB fan since I was a freshman in college. Thanks.


Duane took the lead on the first solo on Blue Sky on Eat A Peach. Dickey said so in an interview he did way back.

 

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  posted on 11/2/2005 at 10:33 PM
for all the musicians, duane is much more modal whereas dickey is very pentatonic
 

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  posted on 11/7/2005 at 07:15 AM
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cogent analysis, jules.

hey, what's this about your tendinitis? i blew my hands out using tens jacked up way high. now i have 9's on every axe and i'm still trying to learn to play with finesse. low action just feels so weird.

a really good song to listen for the subtle nuances between them is blue sky. if you didn't know any better, you'd think it was all one guy.
stark contrasts are definitely liz reed, hot'lanta and mountain jam.


I've had tenosinivitis (which is apparently v similar to tendonitis according to the doc) since I was about 17 or 18, and it's just never gone away since then. Manifests itself as a sharp pain and moderate clicking/grinding when I pivot my wrist up and down (as if revving a motorbike for example), and moderate lack of flexibility up and down or side to side. It comes and goes with the weather, and is much less of a hindrance if I take anti-inflamatory pills etc - although I prefer not to rely on them if I can help it. Warming up properly helps big time - but still repetitive actions like trills really hurt like a bastard. But hey anyone I'm not going to moan about it, **** happens and the doc says the only way to do anything about it is to wear wrist supports while not playing (which I do), refrain from typing too much, and don't play guitar much (impossible!). Plenty of players around deal with it, it's just one of those things.

Back to Duane - the funny thing is Blue Sky was recorded so late in their partnership. Really towards the end of Aug 71 thru Sep 71 you can hear Dickey adopting more Duane-isms in his playing (eg double stops with a bent lower note etc) that you don't often hear before. Makes it a bit harder to tell them apart perhaps?

That said - still the hardest album I had telling the two apart was the first one. Took me ages to figure out who's who on that one, primarily because Dickey has this big round sound and Duane's is a bit thinner (not my cross to bear being a really good example) which confused me big time to begin with. Also, who else assumed it was Duane playing the fills on Black Hearted Woman when you first heard it?

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  posted on 11/10/2005 at 10:08 PM
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Can someone help me in figuring out who is playing which solo? I've heard that Duane always played the harmony part on the dual leads and that Dickey played the main melody. I've also read that Dickey's guitar had a "harder edge metallic ring" while Duane's has a "smoother, rounder tone." On a few song's I've listened to, it seems like Dickie is on the left channel and Duane on the right. I've also been assuming that any slide on songs they both play on is being played by Duane. Any help would be appreciated. I'm almost 52 and have been a big ABB fan since I was a freshman in college. Thanks.


If your hifi is hooked up right, Duane is mixed to the left. And on other projects, like the Layla album.

Duane always sounded like Duane. Even when playing a Strat or Tele through a fuzz and Twin Reverb.

 

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