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  posted on 9/20/2005 at 05:46 PM
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NEW YORK (AP) -- Heartland rocker John Mellencamp is among the nominees for a new class of inductees at the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, joined by jazz legend Miles Davis, rap pioneers Grandmaster Flash & the Furious Five and Blondie.

Mellencamp quickly ditched the cheesy nickname Johnny Cougar and banged out a series of rock hits in the 1980s, including "Pink Houses," "Jack & Diane" and "R.O.C.K. in the USA."

Grandmaster Flash, whose "The Message" and "White Lines (Don't Don't Do It)" were among rap's early hits, will test whether the rock hall is willing to open its doors to one of today's top styles of music.

The late Davis was one of jazz's most iconoclastic musicians. Blondie, led by pinup model Debbie Harry, fused pop with the aggression of punk and mixed in rap and disco.

Cat Stevens, who had folk hits in the 1970s before converting to Islam and largely retiring from music, was also nominated, along with punk rock pioneers The Patti Smith Group, the Sex Pistols and the Stooges.

"Free Bird" singers Lynyrd Skynyrd, heavy metal band Black Sabbath, the '60s beat group Dave Clark Five, Boston-area blues-rockers J. Geils Band, dance masters Chic and Texans Joe Tex, and the Sir Douglas Quintet were also on the ballot.

Musicians, industry professionals and journalists vote, and results of the 21st annual election will likely be announced in December.

Artists are eligible to be inducted into the Rock Hall after at least 25 years have passed since their first record was released.

 

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  posted on 9/20/2005 at 08:44 PM
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From The Associated Press:

NEW YORK (AP) -- Heartland rocker John Mellencamp is among the nominees for a new class of inductees at the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, joined by jazz legend Miles Davis, rap pioneers Grandmaster Flash & the Furious Five and Blondie.

Mellencamp quickly ditched the cheesy nickname Johnny Cougar and banged out a series of rock hits in the 1980s, including "Pink Houses," "Jack & Diane" and "R.O.C.K. in the USA."

Grandmaster Flash, whose "The Message" and "White Lines (Don't Don't Do It)" were among rap's early hits, will test whether the rock hall is willing to open its doors to one of today's top styles of music.

The late Davis was one of jazz's most iconoclastic musicians. Blondie, led by pinup model Debbie Harry, fused pop with the aggression of punk and mixed in rap and disco.

Cat Stevens, who had folk hits in the 1970s before converting to Islam and largely retiring from music, was also nominated, along with punk rock pioneers The Patti Smith Group, the Sex Pistols and the Stooges.

"Free Bird" singers Lynyrd Skynyrd, heavy metal band Black Sabbath, the '60s beat group Dave Clark Five, Boston-area blues-rockers J. Geils Band, dance masters Chic and Texans Joe Tex, and the Sir Douglas Quintet were also on the ballot.

Musicians, industry professionals and journalists vote, and results of the 21st annual election will likely be announced in December.

Artists are eligible to be inducted into the Rock Hall after at least 25 years have passed since their first record was released.


I hope this is the year Skynyrd gets in. I am not the hugest fan but they are an undeniably important band with constant play on album rock radio and given the calibre of groups in the hall, they belong there.

 

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  posted on 9/20/2005 at 08:50 PM
Sure hope Mellancamp gets in...
 

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  posted on 9/20/2005 at 09:29 PM
Miles definately !!...& I'd like to see J.Giles Band in there !!!! "Take Out Your False Teeth Mama,I Wanna' Suck On Your Gums" !!! YEAH BABY !!!

 

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  posted on 9/20/2005 at 09:52 PM
As much as I love Miles, I don't know if he belongs in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. They could name a wing after him in the Jazz Hall of Fame and I wouldn't mind!

Mellencamp is alright, but Hall of Fame material? I'm not sure about that.

Skynyrd and Black Sabbath should have already been in, and I guess I'm a little surprised they're not. They both basically created major sub-genres of rock music. Even if the Allmans predated them in some ways, Skynyrd is the real model for most "Southern Rock" bands like .38 Special and Molly Hatchet, and heavy metal as we know it simply wouldn't exist without Sabbath.

 
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  posted on 9/21/2005 at 06:12 AM
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Mellencamp is alright, but Hall of Fame material? I'm not sure about that.


I think he will get in soon or later if nothing else for his work with Farm Aid. But it's a shame that Skynyrd & Sabbath aren't already there. This should be their year.

 

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  posted on 9/21/2005 at 06:43 AM
It's a sin that Sabbath isn't in there.
But I have read that Ozzy and the rest of the guys don't care because it's not "voted on" by fans!

Also HUGE Miles fan here but Rock n Roll Hall of Fame?

 

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  posted on 9/21/2005 at 07:55 AM
Mellencamp, Sabbath and Skynyrd should go...Miles .... not in R&R HOF. J. Geils was a great beer drinking party band. But they toured a few years ago and no one cared. I don't think they had the kind of impact to be worthy of a HOF induction.

 

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  posted on 9/21/2005 at 08:21 AM
Yeah, I think Miles should be in the Jazz HoF rather than the RnR HoF. And I agree, Sabbath and Skynyrd should already be there. Mellencamp isn't my cup of tea, but I don't have a problem with him being in there either. Honestly, I'm a bit surprised that Van Halen got snubbed for like the third year in a row (they were eligible for induction in 2003, I believe). Love or hate the 1980s, Van Halen, and EVH more specifically, pretty much drove a whole genre of music that lasted for about a decade. I'd sure put VH in there before Mellencamp or Grandmaster Flash.

 

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  posted on 9/21/2005 at 08:24 AM
Mellencamp should definitely be in. They guy has had some great music over the years. LS should have been in a long time ago.
 

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  posted on 9/21/2005 at 09:53 AM
I agree with most of what has been said here, but not with what seems to be the prevailing opinion on Miles Davis. Perhaps you could delve the entire Miles Davis catalog, and not find a single rock and roll song, but the same could probably be said of many of the early blues artists that were among the earliest R&R HOF inductees. Did the man not influence a lot of the greatest rock and roll every produced? Think of how high he is on the list of influences of many of our own heroes.

Of course he's so important in Jazz that he's probably the VERY FIRST name that pops into many people's minds when they think of the music . . . and so important that Jazz couldn't contain him, allowing him to influence blues, rock and roll, and a host of fusion styles.

He's got my vote.

 

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  posted on 9/21/2005 at 09:56 AM
I wonder why Rory Gallagher hasn't been inducted yet?

 

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  posted on 9/21/2005 at 10:15 AM
It's bad enough that Skynyrd and especially Sabbath are not in the HOF, but to not even have YES on the ballot is a complete joke.

 

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  posted on 9/21/2005 at 10:17 AM
I hope Joe Tex gets in.

 

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  posted on 9/21/2005 at 10:26 AM
Care to enlighten me as to who Joe Tex is, lol?

 

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  posted on 9/21/2005 at 10:41 AM
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  posted on 9/21/2005 at 10:56 AM
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It's bad enough that Skynyrd and especially Sabbath are not in the HOF, but to not even have YES on the ballot is a complete joke.



I know a lot of people on here like the band Yes; my father loves em... But I personally can't stand em. That aside, I don't think there is room for them in the Hall of Fame. As for Sabbath, I'm surprised that they have not been inducted yet... Skynyrd, poor man's Allman Brothers if you ask me. That being said, their catalog is significant enough to get them in.

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  posted on 9/21/2005 at 11:11 AM
TopDroog makes a nice point about Miles. If you're talking about pure Rock & Roll, Miles never did any of that. But he influenced everyone from Jimi Hendrix to the ABB to Derek, Warren, Jimmy Herring and the Grateful Dead. Although, if you're going to put Miles in, I believe John Coltrane merits mention as well. His quartet basically was improvisational rock before improvisational rock.

Skynyrd, Sabbath, no argument.

Mellencamp, he's great, but think about it, the guy tried to BE Bruce Springsteen early in his career. I don't think he's had the kind of influence needed to make a Hall of Fame.

 

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  posted on 9/21/2005 at 11:11 AM
I remember reading an article in Rolling Stone on why RUSH shouldn't be in the HOF....the writer was an idiot.

Sabbath and Skynyrd should be in the hall, as should Miles Davis, who's influence on GD and the ABB is well-known.

I remember Grand Master Flash from my youth....The Jungle is a cool song.

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Yeah, I think Miles should be in the Jazz HoF rather than the RnR HoF. And I agree, Sabbath and Skynyrd should already be there. Mellencamp isn't my cup of tea, but I don't have a problem with him being in there either. Honestly, I'm a bit surprised that Van Halen got snubbed for like the third year in a row (they were eligible for induction in 2003, I believe). Love or hate the 1980s, Van Halen, and EVH more specifically, pretty much drove a whole genre of music that lasted for about a decade. I'd sure put VH in there before Mellencamp or Grandmaster Flash.


I agree, love 'em or hate em', Van Halen, and in particular, EVH, saved Rock and Roll from Disco. J Geils before VH? You've got to be kidding me! Perhaps it's because the once mighty VH are so disfunctional these days. Although, their reunion tour last summer made the top ten highest grossing tours of 2004. Not bad considering they hadn't done anything since 1998 and toured for about 4 months.

 

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It's bad enough that Skynyrd and especially Sabbath are not in the HOF, but to not even have YES on the ballot is a complete joke.



I know a lot of people on here like the band Yes; my father loves em... But I personally can't stand em. That aside, I don't think there is room for them in the Hall of Fame. As for Sabbath, I'm surprised that they have not been inducted yet... Skynyrd, poor man's Allman Brothers if you ask me. That being said, their catalog is significant enough to get them in.

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I can respect the fact you don't like YES, but they are one of, if not THE most significant as well as pioneering bands in the genre of progressive rock. Their most popular lineup features three of the best musicians in the world, Steve Howe, Chris Squire and Rick Wakeman. They've also written pieces of music that half the people in the HOF could only dream of writing. I love Skynyrd but would say YES has a more significant catalog and is still playing, over 35 years later, as well as ever. You may not think there is 'room' in the hall for them, I would disagree. I love the Pretenders too, but to compare them with YES would be ludicrous, at least IMO. If there's room for the Pretenders, there's room for YES.To not even have them on the ballot, again, is a complete joke.

 

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  posted on 9/21/2005 at 12:04 PM
...this whole Hall of Fame thing is getting a little watered-down, no? Pretty soon we'll have Hair bands, New-Wave bands, Teeny-Bopper bands and Dance acts all getting in. Kind of a joke if you ask me. It should only be reserved for "The best of the best"...

I am a HUGE Miles Davis fan but I have to agree...A Jazz Hall of Fame deal for him would be a better fit I think. I don't think Miles ever really crossed over into Rock and Roll...fusion yes, Rock, no. Just call it "Music Hall of Fame" then...

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It's bad enough that Skynyrd and especially Sabbath are not in the HOF, but to not even have YES on the ballot is a complete joke.



I know a lot of people on here like the band Yes; my father loves em... But I personally can't stand em. That aside, I don't think there is room for them in the Hall of Fame. As for Sabbath, I'm surprised that they have not been inducted yet... Skynyrd, poor man's Allman Brothers if you ask me. That being said, their catalog is significant enough to get them in.

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I can respect the fact you don't like YES, but they are one of, if not THE most significant as well as pioneering bands in the genre of progressive rock. Their most popular lineup features three of the best musicians in the world, Steve Howe, Chris Squire and Rick Wakeman. They've also written pieces of music that half the people in the HOF could only dream of writing. I love Skynyrd but would say YES has a more significant catalog and is still playing, over 35 years later, as well as ever. You may not think there is 'room' in the hall for them, I would disagree. I love the Pretenders too, but to compare them with YES would be ludicrous, at least IMO. If there's room for the Pretenders, there's room for YES.To not even have them on the ballot, again, is a complete joke.


Indeed, Ozzy! YES is a great band who can still play their asses off. For them to not be in the Hall is yet another reminder of how crazy the whole HOF is in the first place!

 

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  posted on 9/21/2005 at 12:24 PM
For the record, Miles IS in the only real Jazz Hall of Fame, which is the Down Beat Jazz HOF.
 
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