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How do you know that we're finally taking the situation in New Orleans seriously? We're sending in the private mercenaries -- the very same folks we've called on to do the dirty work in Iraq. Reports are beginning to surface that New Orleans and environs are crawling with armed private commandos from Blackwater USA, the North Carolina-based security firm that has risen to prominence with its highly visible role in Iraq. The slide show at the top of this entry comes from their Web site.

A Georgia-based doctor and military veteran who blogs under the name Otter has been down in the disaster zone the last few days, and he has seen the private Blackwater security forces everywhere. He wrote yesterday from a police precinct house in New Orleans:

Blackwater Security is here--clean, well-equipped, and armed to the teeth.

The New York Times has seen them too:

No civilians in New Orleans will be allowed to carry pistols, shotguns or other firearms, said P. Edwin Compass III, the superintendent of police. "Only law enforcement are allowed to have weapons," he said.

But that order apparently does not apply to hundreds of security guards hired by businesses and some wealthy individuals to protect property. The guards, employees of private security companies like Blackwater, openly carry M-16's and other assault rifles. Mr. Compass said that he was aware of the private guards, but that the police had no plans to make them give up their weapons.

The company acknowledged yesterday that it has about 150 people in New Orleans so far:

North Carolina-based Blackwater USA, for example, has 150 security personnel in the Gulf Coast region. The company, which provided personal security for the head of the Coalition Provisional Authority and continues to have a large presence in Iraq, began by donating the services of a helicopter crew to help the Coast Guard with rescue efforts. But it since has added commercial clients that either have buildings in the region, such as hotels, or are sending employees there to help with the reconstruction.

"The calls came flooding in. It's not something that we went down and tried to develop," said Chris Taylor, Blackwater's vice president for strategic initiatives.

If that's the case, why did Blackwater put out this news release one week ago, offering its services in New Orleans...presumably not all free of charge?

Blackwater USA has been around for a while, founded in 1996 by an ex-Navy Seal. But most folks never heard of the company until the war in Iraq, when four of the company's employees were murdered in Fallujah in the horrific incident that put the city on the map for most Americans. The company has dramatized the way that America -- stretched for troops -- has increasingly called on these private soldiers, who serve in a murky world with the ability to shoot-to-kill.

We don't begrudge the existence of a private security company like Blackwater. But what does bother us is how quickly what was supposed to be a disaster relief effort turned so quickly into Gulf War III, the French Quarter now a Green Zone. At the very same time that Blackwater was offering its services in New Orleans, workers from the American Red Cross and other agencies carrying food supplies, not M-16s, were turned away.

Is the large Blackwater presence yet another sign that our National Guard and military -- who are supposed to perform the same functions, but under more clearcut marching orders -- are now stretched too thin? Or a dramatic symbol of something more sinister, a society that now views every problem as one to point semi-automatics first, ask questions later.

Either way, we don't like it.

 

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  posted on 9/9/2005 at 05:29 AM
Blackwater operatives are conducting PSD (Personal Security Defense). It is no different then what companies like Wackenhut or Pinkerton have been doing for centuries in this country and others.
 

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The Associated Press reported today, in an article by one Abe Levy, that an unarmed Mexican troop convoy crossed the border into Texas to help relief efforts for hurricane Katrina.

However, eyewitness accounts differ substantially from the AP report, as reported by the Young Conservatives of Texas.

"The convoys reported to Alex Jones are said to be fully armed with Heckler & Koch German assault rifles."

"The first sighting occurred at 12:30 on Highway 183 traveling towards Austin. The eyewitness described at least ten vehicles, four jeeps (other witnesses described them as Humvees) and six combat trucks brimming with armed Mexican troops wearing body armor, helmets and rifles. The troops riding in the jeeps were wearing holstered hand guns."

"The vehicles were not being escorted by the US army or any other government vehicles and the vehicles were festooned with insignia reading 'Mexico MP's' and the Mexican flag.

A clever way to get around the Posse Comitatus Act - If U.S. troops are prevented by law from policing American Citizens, invite Mexican troops in to do the Job! Legal problem solved!

When the U.S. armed forces are fully committed to enforcing Israel's delusional plans for the Middle East, what's a poor Inner Party, Neocon globalist to do?

Why simple! Just hand the security of U.S. citizens over to the Mexican Army. Apparently, that is all we deserve and all that the Neocon builders of the Israeli empire can afford.

Is the big picture becoming clearer now?


 

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  posted on 9/9/2005 at 07:34 AM
I'm confused.....are you saying that our government has asked these Mexican militia dudes to come in and "help out" with law and order in New Orleans? This situation is becoming more bizzare by the day.....

 

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  posted on 9/9/2005 at 09:19 AM
http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/0909katrina-mexico09.html

This article indicates that the unit is unarmed.....wonder what the truth is?

 

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  posted on 9/9/2005 at 10:09 AM
(QUOTE)We don't begrudge the existence of a private security company like Blackwater. But what does bother us is how quickly what was supposed to be a disaster relief effort turned so quickly into Gulf War III, the French Quarter now a Green Zone. At the very same time that Blackwater was offering its services in New Orleans, workers from the American Red Cross and other agencies carrying food supplies, not M-16s, were turned away.

The American Red Cross was turned away by the Governor or the State Homeland Secuity Staff. They did not want any more people coming to the Superdome as they were trying to move people out of it. If they allowed the Red Cross in to do their job, they would have more people flocking to the SuperDome.

 

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Better than them dying from starvation or drowning in their homes though....just a thought.

 

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Better than them dying from starvation or drowning in their homes though....just a thought.


I agree but the powers in charge down there decided differently.

 

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I think it's evident they made the wrong decision now.....

 

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  posted on 9/9/2005 at 12:06 PM
My people are telling me that the area was not secure and they wanted to avoid Red Cross casualties from sniper fire.That would have more than likely dissuaded volunteers from signing up. Security is always a priority of work and must be maintained at all times. I have experience with this during the massive mudslides in Caracas and again after a major earthquake in Peru.
 

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http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/0909katrina-mexico09.html

This article indicates that the unit is unarmed.....wonder what the truth is?


Who ya gonna believe, Sue? The Associated Press or the Young Conservatives of Texas? I'm sure neither has an agenda.

 

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LOLOL Let me think....um..... lolol That organization name makes me cringe...young conservatives ....

 

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  posted on 9/9/2005 at 01:49 PM
Once again, thnaks for your experise SCotty. And yes, Pinkerton has been doing it for over 100 years...but these days, with Bush and all...oooh, it's Balckwater. Glad of it, and would welcome them with open arms. meanwhile,

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At the very same time that Blackwater was offering its services in New Orleans, workers from the American Red Cross and other agencies carrying food supplies, not M-16s, were turned away


That would be due to the governor of the State Of Louisiana,

reporter Major Garrett did a report on Brit Hume's show on Fox News about why the red Cross wasn't allowed into the Superdome or Convention center,

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MAJOR GARRETT: "The Red Cross was ready, just got off the phone with one of their officials. They had a vanguard, Brit, of trucks with water, food, hygiene equipment, all sorts of things ready to go, where? To the Superdome and the convention center. Why weren't they there? The Louisiana Department of Homeland Security told them they could not go."


Brit Hume; "Now, this isn't the Louisiana branch of the federal homeland security, this is the state?"

MAJOR GARRETT: "The state's own agency devoted to the state's homeland security. They told them, you cannot go there. Why? The Red Cross tells me, that state agency in Louisiana said, look, we do not want to create a magnet for more people to come to the Superdome or the convention center. We want to get them out. So at the same time local officials were screaming, where's the food, where's the water, the Red Cross was standing by ready, the Louisiana Department of Homeland Security said you can't go."




Follow that up with the statement of the Red Cross on the matter,

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http://www.redcross.org/faq/0,1096,0_682_4524,00.html#4524


Disaster FAQs
Hurricane Katrina: Why is the Red Cross not in New Orleans?
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Hurricane Katrina: Why is the Red Cross not in New Orleans?


Acess to New Orleans is controlled by the National Guard and local authorities and while we are in constant contact with them, we simply cannot enter New Orleans against their orders.

The state Homeland Security Department had requested--and continues to request--that the American Red Cross not come back into New Orleans following the hurricane. Our presence would keep people from evacuating and encourage others to come into the city.

The Red Cross has been meeting the needs of thousands of New Orleans residents in some 90 shelters throughout the state of Louisiana and elsewhere since before landfall. All told, the Red Cross is today operating 149 shelters for almost 93,000 residents.


The Red Cross shares the nationís anguish over the worsening situation inside the city. We will continue to work under the direction of the military, state and local authorities and to focus all our efforts on our lifesaving mission of feeding and sheltering.

The Red Cross does not conduct search and rescue operations. We are an organization of civilian volunteers and cannot get relief aid into any location until the local authorities say it is safe and provide us with security and access.

The original plan was to evacuate all the residents of New Orleans to safe places outside the city. With the hurricane bearing down, the city government decided to open a shelter of last resort in the Superdome downtown. We applaud this decision and believe it saved a significant number of lives.

As the remaining people are evacuated from New Orleans, the most appropriate role for the Red Cross is to provide a safe place for people to stay and to see that their emergency needs are met. We are fully staffed and equipped to handle these individuals once they are evacuated.




And be sure and read the Mayor nagin interview on CNN,

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0509/05/ltm.01.html

There are folks who know how things work, .........and then there is the rest.......


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I've seen video footage of the Mexican soldiers and they are armed. I believe this is the first time they have been invited on to American soil.

I believe the Pinkertons were frequently hired as strike breakers. They were known for their viciousness. There was more than one time during the railroad strikes of the late 1870's where the National Guard would not fire upon the striking American citizens but the Pinkertons eagerly wanted to fire upon the crowd. They were also responsible for acts of terrorism upon the striking workers including using fire bombs that killed women and children of the strikers.

I wonder... will Mexican forces attack American citizens more readily than our own National Guard?

I don't know what's going on but my intuition is telling me something is very wrong along the Gulf Coast.

 

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Did the Mexican Military folks just come on their own or were they asked to come? Just wonderin...

 

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If they had not been asked, they would have been regarded as an invasion force.
 
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I wonder... will Mexican forces attack American citizens more readily than our own National Guard?



Guys, guys, guys, now the Mexican army came here on thier own and will be attacking Americans?? They are bringing water treatment plants, mobile kitchens and supplies, large tents to sleep in and some doctors, and a bunch came onshore today on a huge hover craft with some Danish soldiers to help unload supplies and clean up some school buildings, as their Mexican Navy ship was off the coast of Biloxi.

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I don't know what's going on but my intuition is telling me something is very wrong along the Gulf Coast.



Billy, I have to ask, what do you think is happening down there??

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I think it's noble of them to want to help. I don't like that they are weilding weapons though.

 

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I think it's noble of them to want to help. I don't like that they are weilding weapons though.


Weilding weapons??? They're shooting people? Or are they just carrying weapons?

 
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  posted on 9/11/2005 at 02:27 AM
It does not matter. This nation does not need the help of a belligerent nation such as Mexico. A nation that is filled with irredentism and promotes an offical policy of reconquista concerning the old territories.
 

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On the other hand, those people, our people probably need all the help they can get right now. From anyone that's willing. Anyone. Even you, Scotty.
 
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We're the most belligerent nation on earth, Scotty.

And the most generous. Looks like we could figure out which one we wanted to be, doesn't it?

What old territories are you talking about? The taking of Mexican soil by the U. S. was one of the most belligerent acts in our history. Is that what you're talking about?

 

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Billy, I have to ask, what do you think is happening down there??


At first I was thinking it was a land grab. Displace the natives and rebuild with prices that will keep the former residents from being able to move back in. Then I realized what I'm concerned about is something I've taken part in and continue to support today, the gentrification of historic, at risk neighborhoods. In fact, soon after I moved from New Orleans I remember looking for an apartment in Hoboken, NJ and thinking how badly New Orleans needed a rebirth like the one Hoboken experienced.

This disaster should fast track a renaissance and might not compromise the basic character of the most unique American city. Will the 9th ward be rebuilt? I doubt it. I imagine there are people of power who remember the "Desire" and "Florida" projects and might consider rebuilding quality housing for the most poor a waste of time and money.

I read an article last night by a guy who has worked for the EPA since its inception. He is of the opinion the area will not be "safe" for 10 years or more.

I don't know what's going on down there.

 

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Did anyone hear about people being sorted into groups during the evacuation? Does anyone know what happened to the prisoners?

Check out this information about an alledged detainment camp in Oklahoma...

http://www.houstondemocrats.com/archives/2005/09/detainment_camp.html

 

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