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  posted on 10/30/2002 at 09:26 AM
FIRST POINT - THIS IS NOT ABOUT YOU, DEAN...

So, most of you have probably seen this link - http://www.mcnichol.com/bnp/
It's intended to help newbies participate in B&Ps.

I've got a beef about the other side of this type transaction - a subset of those who offer B&Ps in a style similar to the "Soup Nazi" from that Seinfeld episode.
(BTW - I find that behavior on the ABB, Derek and EMULE listservs, but not on this forum.)
I'm okay with wanting the correct postage, a note saying which show, and requesting an attempt to get things mailed off in short order (although, I can usually find $0.60 or $0.83 of loose change around the house to cover somebody, know how to contact people, and have 60G of Hard drive space for music, so I can keep things available for a while...)

But...I've seen folks post that you won't get in if you write "Hey man" or "Hey Dude", if you don't put specific words in an e-mail message, and a bunch of other BS stipulations that make me believe that the individual is on a power trip, and has entirely missed the whole point of offering a B&P...
And that point is - you're offering up a gift of your time in order to spread the music - and a gift should not come with strings attached.

There, got it off my chest!


[Edited on 10/30/2002 by Benjamin]

 

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I think I say "Hey Man" and "Hey Dude" to almost everyone I do disc with....and I wonder how people take that...that's me..at home and at work.

But I know what you are talking about. All of the people from here are very good to deal with..that I have exchanged with anyway.

I don't care for all the picky stuff...I want to stay away for them as much as they probably do me...

I always want to know If I send out a bad disc to anyone..cause i'm going to replace it and more....even though I don't have a super expensive burner...I do care about what I send you. I have some shows that are old and sound kind of bad...I'm afraid to offer them, because I don't won't be taken as a rip off.

If I start reading a lot of rules that make little sense or if it's an egohead...I just pass on...

But people have a right to trade their way and I respect their request..by not asking if it's to picky for me.....

I can only use Audio/music cdrs...and I have had to use my own stuff on B&P's many times...it does not really bother or anger me....

The only time I ever got mad...and I don't know who it was...they did not take my B &P in the thread...they sent me the mailer and such...but they was 1 cd short, sent data disc and one of them already had music on it(Eat a peach)..haha...I did not return them anything...I never knew who it was....other than the mailing name and address.

Homer Must shut up and work now....I have the next two days off....yippppeee.


Good Traders here and very thankfull....


 

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  posted on 10/30/2002 at 10:07 AM
well, honestly, i occasionally use the "don't just write and say 'am i in,' write something interesting to give me a reason to pick you," trick to amuse myself. i usually take everyone anyway, but it's fun to get people to express why they want that particular show or to see just how they respond to that.

as for there being b & p nazis on the derek and abb listservs, i directly challenge that characterization as being typical of the b & p offers there. if you're talking about the cat who made the offer yesterday, then you may want to drop me an email before you pass judgment on him, whatever bizarre but harmless stuff he says.

I will say that it does discourage me to offer stuff up with even minimal rules and get discs falling loose out of fiber mailers, whose senders expect me to repair the mailer, provide postage, and search out recording info. Been doing B & P's only since 1995,.and that's not all that long, but you know, if I set a buncha bizarre rules, chances are I have my reasons and no one that doesn't like 'em has to participate. Or pass judgment on what is still a good thing to do, whether or not it meets your standards of selflessness.

In fact, I'll go a step further and express some offense taken at the term "B & P nazis." I don't think I need to explain why.Dude, you feel this way about it, step up to the plate and post it on those listservs.

on a lighter note, jim, we were chuckling about you this past weekend - kirby woodard and rob hynes were down for the show, we were expecting you to come driving up any second! we all know just where you're coming from! ain't this whole scene some big fun!? dude, we all wanna go see the circus EVERY night! [Edited on 10/30/2002 by ron_e][Edited on 10/30/2002 by ron_e]

 

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The thing I enjoy most...when I can afford too..is to send more than was ask for...especially if it's someone just starting. I almost have to make myself stop.haha. When I first started a few months ago...I made this person a box with 25 disc of music...they were estatic..and I felt good for it.

I can't always do that.....I go thru a 50 pack pretty quick....

But like I said...I respect the rules people make....it's up to you to abide if you choose too. Nothing wrong with people liking to be organized and correct...i'm not...thats my world and I suffer for it sometimes.

But I have came across a few jerks elsewhere.....not here.

 

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  posted on 10/30/2002 at 10:33 AM
Regarding the "Hey Man" and "Hey Dude" references, I think I get called "Bro" so much, I'm thinking of changing my name to it!

Regarding silly rules, I hear ya Jim. I have a little one of my own though. Not sure what people think of it, but when I offer B&Ps, I kindly request that people send me a PM, rather than an email. I get so much email that it is just easier to keep track of things (ABB-related and otherwise) that way. But inevitably when I offer a B&P, I get emails. But the funny thing about it is that they are always from people that I don't know; people that never post. So I guess maybe they are lurkers that don't log in to the site? That's my guess anyway.

 
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  posted on 10/30/2002 at 10:41 AM
Jim, you can call me"Hey Dude" or "Hey Man" any time.....It's just music!
 

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  posted on 10/30/2002 at 10:55 AM
Lee,

Your right about the Bro thing Bro..

I have picked that one up as of late...lots use that one and addy too.

Typical PM from OldDirt.

Hey Man....your show is on the way. Hope you enjoy it Dude.

Later Bro,

Kenny

[Edited on 10/30/2002 by OldDirtRoad]

 

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  posted on 10/30/2002 at 10:59 AM
This seems to be an appropriate spot to jump in and ask some other folks who offer up B&P's a question.

I'm a bit of tree hugger and always find it overkill to send an SASE inside of a large envelope addressed to me when I'm offering a B&P. I have no problem using some scrap paper and putting the person's address on the same envelope the blank CDs came in and sending it back to them. This is my view but I'd sure like to hear other peoples opinions about the way "returns" are sent to the B&Per.

I may have to implement this as a rule on my next B&P offer.LOL

Look forward to the replies
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  posted on 10/30/2002 at 11:18 AM
Gumbo,

I don't have a problem in the world with using the same mailer for both incoming and outgoing b&p's. Actually, I'ts more cost effective for the sender not having to buy the larger mailers, and it's nothing to write someones name on a piece of paper.
I want it to be as easy as possible for both you and me.
There are some out there that have an attitude about there stuff and seem to want to just be difficult, almost like it's mine and you have to adhear to some silly ass rules before you can get it. When I start that crap, call the men in white to come get me...Remember, it's just music!

 

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  posted on 10/30/2002 at 11:20 AM
Hey Dirt,

You address me as Mr. Dietrich !

 

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  posted on 10/30/2002 at 11:24 AM
Yep, it IS just music Bro. Amen to that!

I offered a B&P on the HTW page this morning of a show I just got and nobody responded. So... How about a B&P of a show that was prolly offered here but let's do it again. Govt Mule 7/30/97 Half accoustic / half electric. Send me a PM if interested.

And Jim- If you need this, just let me know and I'll put her in the mail to ya. Bro.
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  posted on 10/30/2002 at 11:28 AM
Hey Ron - I might just show up in Asheville for the Christmas Jam...

Back to the thread -
1. "Nazi" is a very bad term, and no one I've run across can really be considered anywhere near the real meaning of that word - I used it because of that Seinfeld episode with the "Soup Nazi."

2. The folks on the listserv "are us" (plus folks who post only/primarily there) - so please, anyone reading this thread, don't get the idea that the Forum is better than the listserv, or that folks are "unfriendly', because that's just not true.

3. I thought about putting this on the listserv, but then thought I'd "dry-run" it over here first - right now I don't think I will add any fuel to this.

I really should not have mentioned the listserv -

Also, Ron, you mention the listserv guy from "yesterday" (I think you probably mean where a specific e-mail subject was requested?)
So, yes, I included that in my list of things that "bother" me, but that's really something different (plus I know the guy is not a "pain" with b&ps - it's just a way he uses to keep track of what's going on with his offer.)

[Edited on 10/30/2002 by Benjamin]

 

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  posted on 10/30/2002 at 11:35 AM
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Hey Dirt,

You address me as Mr. Dietrich !



I'm sorry Mr.Dietrich..er...Sir !!!

If you folks only knew.........

 

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  posted on 10/30/2002 at 12:32 PM
That's better !!
 

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  posted on 10/30/2002 at 12:58 PM
Okay. I'll close the B&P offer out for now. Again, let me know if you'd like the show Jim.

 
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The only time I ever got mad...and I don't know who it was...they did not take my B &P in the thread...they sent me the mailer and such...but they was 1 cd short, sent data disc and one of them already had music on it(Eat a peach)..haha...I did not return them anything...I never knew who it was....other than the mailing name and address.




I just wanted to say that this matter was fixed today. The person PM'ed me later..haha. It was as much my fault as it was theirs maybe even more. He was in on the offer....I had even PMed him of a delay...although the disc were wrong and it did have Eat A Peach...I dropped the ball.....needless to say...they will benefit from it....for sure.

I never mind correcting a mistake and admitting fault......I would never take advantage of anyone here on purpose....I much would rather know what I did wrong.

Glad this is fixed...but I wanted you all to know I was wrong about some of my post above.......

Apologies to the person that it was about.....they took it with a laugh and so did I.

Later,
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  posted on 10/30/2002 at 03:58 PM
Hi Kenny

Another rule/courtesy to consider:

One other thing, it would be most useful if when you receive your bnp, freebie, or whatever, that you make let the provider know. I sometimes forget who is supposed to get what and would like to make sure that the right disc goes in the right envelope

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I agree CRR, although I look at that as a common courtesy rather than a rule. It's always nice to here from people when they receive their CDs. I always like to get feedback to make sure they got the show, and make sure they are happy with the recording

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  posted on 10/30/2002 at 04:22 PM
I don't have a clue as to how many i've done, I do know that I mailed 16 this morning, and I'll bet you a dime to a dollar that I get a note from 5......
 

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  posted on 10/30/2002 at 04:22 PM
Hey Gumbo - thanks for the shows! (I'm terrible at doing that.)
I always hope that "no news is good news" if I don't hear from the receivers of a b&p, and I try to remember to include a note in the return package with a specific request to let me know if they hear a problem.

Almost sorry I started this thread - I'm gonna lose my nomination for the "Axis of Good"

 

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  posted on 10/30/2002 at 04:44 PM
Good, & interesting thread.

One of the major "problems" I have is, that I use a audio deck to burn. Hence, the cdrs I get that I can't use.

I also do recommend that the sender use some form of mailer that will actually protect the cdrs somewhat. I've gotten some mailers that look like they went through a world war.

I've had other interesting things happen along the way, but it ain't too big of a deal.

 

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Almost sorry I started this thread - I'm gonna lose my nomination for the "Axis of Good"



No i'm glad you started it...it is the reason my screw up got fixed........

So BIG THANKS for that.........

And I heed your advice Carlos...hope I have not messed you up in the past too.

For a person that works a lot of hours and has a hectic rush around life...this trading/freebies/BnP's can get out of hand fast..haha.

I'm a very un-organized S.O.B......

Instead of a clown picture...mine should be a photo of a jackass..

[Edited on 10/30/2002 by OldDirtRoad][Edited on 10/30/2002 by OldDirtRoad]

 

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well, Jim, I think you put someone up to the 'here are the rules for a B & P with me' I saw over there. talk about TIMING.

so...i've gotten in 2 copies of Salem, one boomy and difficult and the other, assuming the replacement that's sitting in there unopened fixes the 1 track problem, remarkably good. how's your copy sound? drop me an email and let's make up some arbitrary and bizarre rules for getting it! ahahahahahaha!!

oh, yeah, who's 'dean?'

 

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Well, I for one, think that Ben loses his nomination for Axis of Good. Only a no-good dirty rotten scoundrel would start a threat like this, or refer to uptight traders as "anal retentive nuerotics"- oh wait- that was me. Sorry.

I usually establish a set of rules, more for the newbies than the regulars. I don't assume that the newbies take the time to read McNichols, and I don't assume that everyone knows proper etiquette. I don't ask for the M&M's to be separated by color, though. I generally ask that:
1. The return mailer is self addressed- less of a chance of me making a mistake.
2. the person sends the correct number of discs. -goes without saying why...
3. that the person include a little note to the effect of what they are asking for- my short-term memory defies the definition of memory...
4. I often include a date I want them in the mail. This is so I can get them out the door in a timely fashion, and there is less of a chance of me making mistakes as I offer other stuff. It's simply unacceptable for someone to jump on an offer and take a month to drop them in the mail.

That stuff being said, I don't automatically assume the person is being a **** if everything isn't perfect. Mistakes happen and most folks are very apologetic when they find out there is an issue, and will make amends as quickly as possible.

 

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Interesting thread! I don't sweat the small stuff, and keep a supply of 23 cent stamps to make up postage shortages, and stuff like that. But when do you tell someone that they aren't doing things "right"?

I had someone send a B&P with Priority Mail postage ($3.85) on the envelope to me and the return envelope. I sent an email saying, hey it's none of my business, but if I were you I'd spend the money on discs instead of the extra postage. Hope they took it in the positive way that it was meant. (I did get a reply saying that they had been told by a previous B&P offerer that that's what was required!)

I've also did a B&P for someone that sent a business envelope with a 37 cent stamp and no blanks. What the heck, I sent the show using my blanks and mailer, but didn't give any advice.

Is there a Miss Manners for the B&P crowd???[Edited on 10/31/2002 by Randall]

 
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