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  posted on 8/30/2005 at 10:53 AM
Just wondering since he cant seem to be bothered to start working on helping those folks. Its more important, apparently, to go to California and try to sell the "Everything in Iraq is going great" story...

Potentially thousands have died and he has barely sent any troops to help. I realize he is busy trying to get on with his life, but if he could find the time to help these folks out a little, it would be great. Heck, even seeing him touring the destruction in a helicopter would be *something*.

 
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RANCHO CUCAMONGA, Calif. — President Bush on Monday pledged extensive federal help for victims of Hurricane Katrina (search) to "get your lives back in order." The government put into effect a massive emergency assistance program that included rushing baby formula, communications equipment, generators, water and ice into hard-hit areas.

Bush also was expected to tap into the nation's emergency petroleum stockpiles to help refineries affected by the storm, administration officials said. Final details were being worked out, they said.

The government's supply — nearly 700 million barrels of oil stored in underground salt caverns along the Texas and Louisiana Gulf Coast — was established to cushion oil markets during energy disruptions.

As the storm surged ashore just east of New Orleans on Monday, Bush was traveling in the West — here and in El Mirage, Ariz. — to pitch a new Medicare (search) prescription drug benefit. The hurricane, however, took top billing at both stops.

By the time Bush spoke in California, his focus had changed from urging people to stay out of harm's way to talking in the past tense of "a storm that hit with a lot of ferocity."

"It's a storm now that is moving through and now is the time for governments to help people get their feet on the ground," Bush said. "For those of you who are concerned about whether or not we are prepared to help — don't be. We are."

He added, "We're in place, we've got equipment in place, supplies in place and once we're able to assess the damage we'll be able to move in and help those good folks in the affected areas."

The Federal Emergency Management Agency (search) had medical teams, rescue squads and groups prepared to supply food and water poised in a semicircle around New Orleans.

"I was impressed with the evacuation. Once it was ordered it was very smooth," FEMA Director Michael Brown said in a telephone interview with The Associated Press. With the storm moving north, Brown said he expected to see flooding in Tennessee and the Ohio Valley.

In other storm-related developments:

— The president made emergency disaster declarations for Louisiana, Mississippi and Alabama. The difference between these declarations and preliminary ones issued over the weekend was that the new declarations allow for the drawdown of federal funds in disaster relief and recovery.

— The American Red Cross (search) said it had thousands of volunteers mobilized for the hurricane. It was the "largest single mobilization that we've done for any single natural disaster," said spokesman Bradley Hague. The organization set up operational headquarters in Baton Rouge.

— The Environmental Protection Agency dispatched emergency crews to Louisiana and Texas because of concern about oil and chemical spills.

— The Coast Guard closed ports and waterways along the Gulf Coast and positioned craft around the area to be ready to conduct post-hurricane search and rescue operations.

— The Agriculture Department said its Food and Nutrition Service will provide meals and other commodities, such as infant formula, distilled water for babies and emergency food stamps.

— The Federal Aviation Administration said airports were closed in New Orleans and Baton Rouge, La.; Biloxi, Miss.; Mobile, Ala.; Pensacola, Fla., and Eglin Air Force Base in Florida. Airlines have moved their equipment away from the stricken areas and canceled all flights, FAA spokeswoman Laura Brown said. Many air traffic control facilities in Louisiana, Mississippi and Alabama were closed.

— The Defense Department dispatched emergency coordinators to Alabama, Florida, Louisiana and Mississippi to provide a wide range of assistance including communications equipment, search and rescue operations, medical teams and other emergency supplies.

—The Health and Human Services Department sent 38 doctors and nurses to Jackson, Miss., to be used where needed, and 30 pallets of medical supplies to the region, including first aid materials, sterile gloves and oxygen tanks.

Meanwhile, Brown gave Bush two briefings on the powerful storm, said White House spokesman Scott McClellan.

"The federal government and the state governments and the local governments will work side-by-side to do all we can to help get your lives back in order," Bush said.

The president was expected to authorize at least a loan of some oil from the nation's Strategic Petroleum Reserve, said administration officials who spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to speak publicly.

McClellan said the president was waiting to hear the Energy Department's recommendation before making a decision. "Obviously, the Strategic Petroleum Reserve is there for emergency situations, and that would include natural disasters," the spokesman told reporters.

McClellan later said Bush had spoken with the governors of Louisiana, Mississippi and Alabama "to make sure they were getting what they needed from the federal government."

In a statement, Energy Secretary Samuel W. Bodman said, "Beginning last week, we have been in close contact with our federal partners, site managers at various locations of the Strategic Petroleum Reserve, and companies that operate oil refineries to prepare for any disruption in oil production."

"Over the next few days, we will continue to gain more information on the specific needs and then be able to make a better determination on how we can help," Bodman said.

The Gulf of Mexico is the heart of U.S. oil and natural gas operations, and the storm so far has caused the shutdown of about 8 percent of U.S. refining capacity — or about 1 million barrels, further driving up gasoline costs.

It was not known how long oil and natural-gas production in the Gulf would be shut down.

If Bush decides to tap the reserves, as he did in 2004 when Hurricane Ivan struck the Gulf of Mexico, it would not be designed to put downward pressure on gas prices but to give refineries in the area a temporary supply of crude oil to replace interrupted shipments from tankers or offshore oil platforms affected by the storm.

Some 6,000 National Guard personnel from Louisiana and Mississippi who would otherwise be available to help deal with the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina are in Iraq.

Even so, Pentagon spokesman Lawrence Di Rita said the states have adequate National Guard units to handle the hurricane needs, with at least 60 percent of the guard available in each state. He said about 6,500 National Guard troops were available in Louisiana, about 7,000 in Mississippi, nearly 10,000 in Alabama and about 8,200 in Florida.

The First U.S. Army, based at Fort Gillem near Atlanta, has 1,600 National Guard troops who were already there training to go to Iraq, and they will be available to assist the states or evacuate Camp Shelby in Mississippi, if necessary.

According to the Navy, two ships were moved from Pascagoula, Miss., and taken out to sea where they could ride out the storm. Most of the Navy's ships were on the east coast of Florida and were not affected. The Navy also moved dozens of aircraft out of Pensacola, Fla., and sent them to bases in Oklahoma and Texas. Aircraft that were not able to fly were put in hangars.

 

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  posted on 8/30/2005 at 10:58 AM
I guess he should go down there and clear trees and debris like he does on his ranch.
 

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  posted on 8/30/2005 at 11:13 AM
As ineffective as he is, I think the best thing he can do is stay away from where the real work is going on. I heard this morning he's cutting his vacation short and heading back to Washington, I suppose because of the hurricane. I doubt it has anything to do with all the war protesters camped in his driveway.

 

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  posted on 8/30/2005 at 11:17 AM
There's a lot of stuff you can hang on Bush and I'm no apologist for him, but to jump on him about why he's not helping New Orleans is sort of ridiculous. I would think before anyone can really do anything more then search and rescue for survivors or dead bodies, they're gonna need to get the place drained off all the water which as of this morning was still rising in parts of NO where another levee had given way. Once that is done and the damage and what it's gonna take to fix it, if he still isn't doing anything you can jump on him.
 

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  posted on 8/30/2005 at 12:17 PM
So, when is Bush going to act like a President and start working on helping New Orleans?


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  posted on 8/30/2005 at 12:42 PM
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CNN reported less than 100 today.


They havent even started looking for victims yet in all the wreckage.

 

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  posted on 8/30/2005 at 12:46 PM
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So, when is Bush going to act like a President and start working on helping New Orleans?


Never fast enough for some people


Heh, Katrina was on the way long before yesterday. You prepare before the disaster, not after.

Im not blaming Bush for anything other than not addressing the issue fast enough considering it was probably the worst storm to ever hit the US.

 

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  posted on 8/30/2005 at 12:47 PM
I suppose the "pile on" mentality comes from our very high levels of frustration we feel for our appointed president and his henchman in the Whitehouse. They've done this to themselves and as someone eluded to earlier in this post, the best thing he can do for our country is stay the hell away from any issue that requires: a)The need to make a decision independent of Rove whispering in his ear, or b) him to actually articulate what he is thinking independent of a script written by Rove, or c) be in the presence of people who are not hand picked supporters as determined by Rove. For whenever he isn't prepped by his handlers, he seems to **** everything up. As far as I'm concerned, he should stay at his ranch for the duration of his term.

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There's a lot of stuff you can hang on Bush and I'm no apologist for him, but to jump on him about why he's not helping New Orleans is sort of ridiculous. I would think before anyone can really do anything more then search and rescue for survivors or dead bodies, they're gonna need to get the place drained off all the water which as of this morning was still rising in parts of NO where another levee had given way. Once that is done and the damage and what it's gonna take to fix it, if he still isn't doing anything you can jump on him.


Im just pointing out that in the face of this disaster, we didnt hear a peep out of them. Now, when its all said and done, there are 'pledges'. Pledges dont feed the bulldog and they damn sure dont help folks. Ive got a family member thats been there for 3 days doing EMT work on the victims. She said that the lack of government assistance was profound. Im awaiting word to find out if we are sending any assistance that way (waiting on FEMA) and I going to try to assist.

Regardless of when the water recedes, people still need help *now*. I just find it odd that instead of focusing on this disaster, he is touring the country promoting policy.

 

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  posted on 8/30/2005 at 12:58 PM
Just visited a blog I enjoy reading and found a letter to Bush. I thought it was appropriate for the discussion.



Mr. President,

There is something wrong with this picture.

Hurricane Katrina is now being called one of the worst, if not the worst, disaster in US history. Instead of focusing on this growing tragedy in the southeast, you are at this moment giving a speech in California about World War II and Iraq. Yes, you devoted one minute of that speech to the hurricane, but now it's been 20 minutes and you are still talking about WWII and Iraq.

Mr. President, the entire nation is focused on one issue today, and it is not WWII. We are fixated by the images we're seeing on TV. The images of uncontrollable fires blazing across New Orleans. The images of people stranded on their rooftops waving white t-shirts for help. And as I write this, the water levels are still rising in New Orleans and the situation is getting desperate.

In the face of this tragedy, rather than call off your vacation days ago and head back home to coordinate the relief, but even more importantly, to show the American people that you care and are in charge, you did not fly east to Washington. You flew west to Arizona and to California. While New Orleans and the south was in the process of being destroyed yesterday, you flew west and devoted the day to Medicare. While the death toll for the hurricane increases by the hour, and even FOX News has just now cut away from your live WWII speech in order to return their coverage to New Orleans, you continue to babble on about WWII and Iraq.

Mr. President, you should consider yourself lucky. By ignoring this hurricane and remaining on vacation all weekend, and by continuing to ignore this hurricane and travel out west doing stump speeches instead of focusing on the growing tragedy, you handed the Democrats in Congress a golden opportunity to paint you as out of touch, uncaring, and embattled. The Democrats chose to ignore this opportunity and have remained silent about your complacency in the face of disaster. That is unfortunately what Democrats do; they miss opportunities and sit back quietly while Republicans stumble over themselves with their incompetence.

But we're not your typical Democrats, and we see that you're hiding from the hurricane, and we can't understand why. Canceling your vacation this weekend, canceling your trips to Arizona and California the past two days, were not only the right thing to do, they were the politically smart thing to do. Your approval ratings are at 40% and falling. Mourning mom Cindy Sheehan's ongoing protest at your ranch has made you look a fool. You need whatever you can to get the media and public attention off of the disaster in Iraq. The hurricane was that opportunity. So what did you do when faced with this impending doom? You called off your vacation and went to California to talk about Iraq.

Mr. President, go to Washington TODAY and show the country you're in charge. Go to New Orleans TODAY and show the country that you care. While you ramble on in California about Iraq, FOX News anchor Shepard Smith is flying over New Orleans in a helicopter to survey the damage and report to the nation. Have things gotten that bad in our nation that a reporter for a biased news outlet is acting more presidential than the president himself?

Mr. President, you should have canceled your vacation and your political stump speeches days ago. Blow out the candles, put away the birthday cakes, and come home to Washington today - not tomorrow after you finish all your politicking in California over the next 24 hours, but TODAY.

Politics can wait. Your country needs you.

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  posted on 8/30/2005 at 01:11 PM
Boy, I bet the thousands of Reserve and National Guard units, along with their equipment (i.e. generators, medical supplies, heavy equipment, food stuffs, mobile shelters, etc.) currently stationed in Iraq could be quite useful in the "Big Easy" right about know. I wonder whose fault it is that they're there and not here?

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  posted on 8/30/2005 at 01:24 PM
Yikes... Bush administration cut Corp of Engineer budget for New Orleans by 71 Million for FY'06. I hope the money can be increased now that the disaster has actually hit.



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In fiscal year 2006, the New Orleans district of the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers is bracing for a record $71.2 million reduction in federal funding.

It would be the largest single-year funding loss ever for the New Orleans district, Corps officials said.

I've been here over 30 years and I've never seen this level of reduction, said Al Naomi, project manager for the New Orleans district. I think part of the problem is it's not so much the reduction, it's the drastic reduction in one fiscal year. It's the immediacy of the reduction that I think is the hardest thing to adapt to.

There is an economic ripple effect, too. The cuts mean major hurricane and flood protection projects will not be awarded to local engineering firms. Also, a study to determine ways to protect the region from a Category 5 hurricane has been shelved for now.

Money is so tight the New Orleans district, which employs 1,300 people, instituted a hiring freeze last month on all positions. The freeze is the first of its kind in about 10 years, said Marcia Demma, chief of the Corps' Programs Management Branch.

Stephen Jeselink, interim commander of the New Orleans Corps district, told employees in an internal e-mail dated May 25 that the district is experiencing financial challenges. Execution of our available funds must be dealt with through prudent districtwide management decisions. In addition to a hiring freeze, Jeselink canceled the annual Corps picnic held every June.

Congress is setting the Corps budget.

The House of Representatives wants to cut the New Orleans district budget 21 percent to $272.4 million in 2006, down from $343.5 million in 2005. The House figure is about $20 million lower than the president's suggested $290.7 million budget.

It's now up to the Senate. Sen. Mary Landrieu, D-New Orleans, is making no promises.

It's going to be very tough, Landrieu said. The House was not able to add back this money ... but hopefully we can rally in the Senate and get some of this money back.

Landrieu said the Bush administration is not making Corps of Engineers funding a priority.

I think it's extremely shortsighted, Landrieu said. When the Corps of Engineers' budget is cut, Louisiana bleeds. These projects are literally life-and-death projects to the people of south Louisiana and they are (of) vital economic interest to the entire nation.

The Corps' budget could still be beefed up, as it is every year, through congressional additions. Last year, Congress added $20 million to the overall budget of the New Orleans district but a similar increase this year would still leave a $50 million shortfall.

One of the hardest-hit areas of the New Orleans district's budget is the Southeast Louisiana Urban Flood Control Project, which was created after the May 1995 flood to improve drainage in Jefferson, Orleans and St. Tammany parishes. SELA's budget is being drained from $36.5 million awarded in 2005 to $10.4 million suggested for 2006 by the House of Representatives and the president.

The project manager said there would be no contracts awarded with this $10.4 million, Demma said.

The construction portion of the Corps' budget would suffer if Congress doesn't add money. In 2005, the district received $94.3 million in federal dollars dedicated to construction. In 2006, the proposal is for $56 million.

It would be critical to this city if we had a $50 million construction budget compared with the past years, Demma said. It would be horrible for the city, it would be horrible for contractors and for flood protection if this were the final number compared to recent years and what the city needs.

Construction generally has been on the decline for several years and focus has been on other projects in the Corps.

The district has identified $35 million in projects to build and improve levees, floodwalls and pumping stations in St. Bernard, Orleans, Jefferson and St. Charles parishes. Those projects are included in a Corps line item called Lake Pontchartrain, where funding is scheduled to be cut from $5.7 million this year to $2.9 million in 2006. Naomi said it's enough to pay salaries but little else.

We'll do some design work. We'll design the contracts and get them ready to go if we get the money. But we don't have the money to put the work in the field, and that's the problem, Naomi said.

The Appropriations Committee in Congress will ultimately decide how much the New Orleans district will receive, he said.

Obviously, the decisions are being made up there that are not beneficial to the state, in my opinion, Naomi said. Let's put it this way: When (former Rep.) Bob Livingston (R-Metairie) was chairman of the Appropriations Committee, we didn't have a monetary problem. Our problem was how do we spend all the money we were getting.

 

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  posted on 8/30/2005 at 01:55 PM
Another pointless criticism. Like his vacation has any impact on this disaster. What do you want him to do? The speech was already scheduled. Cancelling it would not have done anything.

The hurricane hit land yesterday. There are a lot of places, I think, that rescue workers still can't go. Why not let FEMA and those agencies run this instead of telling Bush what to do?

 

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  posted on 8/30/2005 at 02:18 PM
Chain 3,000 LA National Guard soldiers are in Iraq, that leaves 8,000 in LA to do the work. The state calls them as the state needs them. All NG soldiers haven't even been called to do the work yet. Not to mention that my state of KY has already promised 1,200 to help. Let none of us forget who we are here. We are Americans, we have rebuilt every place in the world that has needed us and the American spirit will prevail. Mark my words that between the Union, the state, and you and I this relief effort will be a shining story of the benevolence of the American people.

 

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  posted on 8/30/2005 at 02:18 PM
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Another pointless criticism.


Youre right. I should be quiet and not say anything to avoid criticizing Dear Leader.

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Like his vacation has any impact on this disaster.


Actually, it doesnt. Just like the impending disaster didnt have any impact on his vacation.

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What do you want him to do?


Ok, thats going to be a long list.

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The speech was already scheduled. Cancelling it would not have done anything.


I think the complete devestation of a large portion of the southern United States is a bit more important than him giving a birthday cake to McCain or talking about his policies. As sorry as it is, his leadership is needed right now.

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The hurricane hit land yesterday. There are a lot of places, I think, that rescue workers still can't go. Why not let FEMA and those agencies run this instead of telling Bush what to do?


Presidents, typically, show that they are involved in disasters. They show the public that their government is doing something. He managed to find his way to Ground Zero shortly after that disaster. This is really no different, and in many ways, is much worse. FEMA, as usual, is doing a superb job. Maybe as a reward, our Republican controlled government wont cut their funding any more.

 

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This letter was issued by Henry Rodriguez President of St. Bernard Parish. Mr. Rodriguez is a Republican so rest assured this is not political. This letter is one of desperation and help is needed now! The parish is completely submerged and people who do not own cars were not able to leave because they do not have a bus system or a means of transportation. Both shelters were destroyed one by tornado the other is under water. I am unable to reach anyone...........many of the people I know would not have had the resouces to get out. My mother lost everything she owns but she left because she was able to and had the resources. She was luckier than most people, and I am afraid that among those people I knew and grew up with will not have survived this. This is not political this is desperation, imagine if you can that one day the place you lived and grew up was there and the next it was gone and you were one of the few who survived. The feeling of loss is absolutley overwhelming.

If you can please donate to the Red Cross and give blood both are desperatley needed.

Henry “Junior” Rodriguez PresidentSt. Bernard Parish, Louisiana(504) 278-4200

Dear President Bush:

My name is Henry “Junior” Rodriguez and I am President of St. Bernard Parish Louisiana.

My parish is completely flooded from the recent passage of hurricane Katrina. The eye of the hurricane passed directly over my parish and has caused mass destruction and complete flooding.

Of our community of 67,000 citizens, many are surrounded by water and have no place to go. We have NO food, NO water, NO sanitation, NO power, and NO communication.

We have no way to rescue or recover our citizens.

Absolutely no attempt has been made to communicate with me regarding the catastrophe that has occurred to the citizens that I represent.

I cannot believe that in a country as sophisticated as the United States of America that the leadership in the White House cannot somehow communicate NOW with me and the local government that I represent.

This disaster is a direct outgrowth of the neglect of the Federal Government to address the costal erosion problem of southern Louisiana.

I implore you to please contact me directly or have the appropriate federal agency respond IMMEDIATELY to this disaster. I am in danger of having many citizens die if they are not rescued now.

On behalf of the citizens of St. Bernard Parish, Louisiana, I am begging for your help.

Sincerely,

Henry “Junior” RodriguezPresident, St. Bernard Parish, Louisiana

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  posted on 8/30/2005 at 02:46 PM
CNN is reporting there will be a 3 Star General taking over operations in New Orleans. The force will be called the "First Army" and will encompass FEMA.

I too believe Americans will overcome this disaster. I think rebuilding the city might not be the best course of action, but there is plenty of time to consider options. What will be needed are baracks, toilets and food. More than a million homeless is a task unlike any I can remember America having to deal with. How will we make a million people in a refugee camp productive?

Due to this terrible tragedy people will begin to recognize some of the true costs of this war. If those 3000 National Guard soldiers and all that equipment were not in Iraq the job of securing the safety of these American citizens would be that much easier. The vast majority of Americans have not had to personally sacrifice for this war. As fuel prices go up and US resources are further taxed by this catastrophe. Already CNN is mentioning gas rationing.

People will be critical of the 1 billion a week we are spending in Iraq. The National Guard are needed here. No one can foresee catastrophic natural events. People will recognize that this Administration has weakened its ability to provide homeland security. The fact no clear mission or reason why we are in Iraq has still not emerged demands criticism of the President. The cost of the lies that led us to this war has just grown exponentially.

I'm sure the Axis of Evil will also recognize the vulnerability of America right now.

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  posted on 8/30/2005 at 02:56 PM
One of the first things I thought of yesterday was that Louisiana sure could use those National Guard troops fighting Bush's war in Iraq.

 

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  posted on 8/30/2005 at 02:59 PM
Gotta three day weekend coming, thinking about going down to help. That is if I can find an organization that can use me.

 

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  posted on 8/30/2005 at 03:22 PM
I'll answer that one. Regardless of the number of lives lost, this catastrophe covers a much large area. Not only are houses and businesses under water by the thousands, but bridges, roads, and other infrastructure are damaged or destroyed in many areas. Some entire towns are underwater. To me, this is on a much larger scale than 9/11. Weren't only 7 buildings destroyed, and all of them in one small area of a city? We tend to gauge things by how many people died, but other than that, this is a catastrophe of much larger proportions than 9/11.

I uderstand ST's frustration with our president, but I really think the best thing he can do is stay out of the way and let people work. He was born on 3rd base, and has gone his whole life thinking he hit a triple. He's never really accomplished anything on his own, and it would make me sick to see him on TV taking credit for all the hard work to be done in LA.

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  posted on 8/30/2005 at 03:44 PM
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Another pointless criticism.
Hardly.
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Like his vacation has any impact on this disaster. What do you want him to do?
That hurricane is possibly the worst natural disaster this nation has ever faced. He is the (nearly) elected leader of this nation and, as such, he has an obligation to be present with the people affected by this tragedy.
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The speech was already scheduled. Cancelling it would not have done anything.
It all has to do with priorities. I hope he continues to avoid it. Maybe those who supported him will finally realize what he is really all about.
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The hurricane hit land yesterday. There are a lot of places, I think, that rescue workers still can't go. Why not let FEMA and those agencies run this instead of telling Bush what to do?
Don't be ridiculous, no one suggested that President Bush should be doing rescue work. But he should drop his other commitments and be present with the millions of US citizens affected by this disaster. Come on, this is a "no brainer". Marley, since when did you start acting as a Bush apologist?

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  posted on 8/30/2005 at 03:54 PM
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Gotta three day weekend coming, thinking about going down to help. That is if I can find an organization that can use me.


Shoot, just go down and find one. Im sure they could use all the help they can get! Good Luck if you go.

 

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  posted on 8/30/2005 at 03:55 PM
" Marley, since when did you start acting as a Bush apologist?"

Marley a Bush apologist? I don't think so. Just becuase he has opinions and speaks his mind he's a Bush apologist? Maybe he's just Marley.










[Edited on 8/30/2005 by DougMacKenzie]

 

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  posted on 8/30/2005 at 04:04 PM
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Just wondering since he cant seem to be bothered to start working on helping those folks.........Youre right. I should be quiet and not say anything to avoid criticizing Dear Leader.



What a stunningly assinine thread starter.

Say what you will about President Bush, but he was PRE-EMPTIVE in his response to this hurricane, as others have already mentioned. Unreal.

I mentioned some of this in another thread, but I talked to my uncle today-who lives in New Orleans-on the West bank in Terry Town- and has since 1969, and I have many friends there from my time spent there over the last 36 years, and this city was woefully unprepared for this scenario. A democratically-run city who blew it! But politicians on all sides of the aisle blew it, and this is not the time for weakminded whining when folks are trapped in their attics with the water still rising due to levees that should have been built twice as high, shouldhave been adjusted, but weren't!!

I listened to WWL 870 am radio out of New Orleans until 5am this morning, and watched CNN the whole time as well, and there were only two f*cking boats there to go and rescue folks on roofs and in attics??? Two boats?? What kind of preparation is that? And even one of those was some animal control folks' vessel. How does a parrish not have simple boats?? But that is for another day at this point.

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Gotta three day weekend coming, thinking about going down to help. That is if I can find an organization that can use me.



I don't see it happening. My uncle's neighborhood on the West bank just declared martial law and neither he nor anyone else are allowed back there until next Monday at 6am. My uncle was trying to figure out how to get there even then, and it would have to be from the west. I-10 is down to the East. All the roads coming in from the north over Lake Ponchatrain are trashed, the hospitals are shutting down. If I hear anything I will let you know. As for now, and I don't know how close you are, but tune into 870am WWL, which is a 50,000 station that you can tune in after dark. Looting continues, and now fires have broken out along the Mississippi River. But as for now, the word is simple, everyone down there is saying to stay out. 80% of the city is under water. In fact, the governor just said (4pm Tuesday afternoon) that there is basically one way into the city and that has to be used for emergencies, and that she is devising a plan to evacuate ALL the remaining residents of the city of New Orleans. This is unreal. I'm with you, BigJar, and if I find out anything I'll let you know. Right now my uncle is coming here to Ohio to stay out at my friends farm and what we need to do is build a quick fence for their animals, so that is our immediate plan.

Billy, I'm not even going to get into your post. Folks need help. and they will get it from Americans whether they are troops or not, but all I hear is Iraq, Iraq, Iraq, Bush, Bush, Bush, I guess Cindy is next. Do we have a quote yet from Cindy on the hurricane???

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This letter was issued by Henry Rodriguez President of St. Bernard Parish. Mr. Rodriguez is a Republican so rest assured this is not political. This letter is one of desperation and help is needed now! The parish is completely submerged and people who do not own cars were not able to leave because they do not have a bus system or a means of transportation. Both shelters were destroyed one by tornado the other is under water. I am unable to reach anyone...........many of the people I know would not have had the resouces to get out. My mother lost everything she owns but she left because she was able to and had the resources. She was luckier than most people, and I am afraid that among those people I knew and grew up with will not have survived this. This is not political this is desperation, imagine if you can that one day the place you lived and grew up was there and the next it was gone and you were one of the few who survived. The feeling of loss is absolutley overwhelming.



Patty, we have discussed our mutual connection to New Orleans before, and you are right, your mother is out of the city as is my uncle Steve and his wife. But many folks did not have that choice. You are right, this is not political, this is about working together. Up here it was the Falmouth, Kentucky flood in 1997 that literally and completely wiped a town out, and I went to help and what I saw was amazing. 12 inches of rain in less than 24 hours, everything gone. This is of a far bigger scale. I have not heard from my friends in Slidell as of yet, across Lake Ponchatrain, and the only info from Slidell is this,

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Dexter Accardo, director of St. Tammany Parish, said Hurricane Katrina pushed 15 feet of water into Slidell, reaching the second level of the Hampton Inn in Slidell off of Interstate 10.

He said he understood the parish had two deaths but " communications is a black hole" and he really didn't have a lot of information.
Much of Slidell is under water and likely sustained the worst damage from Hurricane Katrina, tate Sen. Tom Schedler, R-Mandeville, said Tuesday at 1 p.m.
Calling the devastation “ total”, Schedler said, only slabs remain where dozens of houses were blown down and several feet of water remain in the Slidell Memorial Hospital on Gause Boulevard as well as throughout the old town area off U.S. 11.



As for the letter by Henry “Junior” Rodriguez, I can understand his frustration. But he needs to get a hold of the Governor of the state, as beside her right now is the FEMA head for all of this, and where he needs to direct his actions. A hell of a lot of looting and shooting going on in St. Bernard parrish, and I don't mean looking for food. Coastal erosion is always a problem, but the levees were built too small by half, and the pump system in the city is inadequate. And hell, they didn't even do any of that until Camille and Betsy wiped them out in the 1960's. And as I mentioned before, a parrish can't buy some small boats for rescue?? two flippin' boats are all I have seen to rescue folks all night long. There are going to be a lot of fingers being pointed at a lot of folks and politicians after this is all said and done, and I'm guessing Junior will be one of them. But I understand his desperation, he is doing what he can.


And yes, while I usually prefer the Salvation Army over the Red Cross in my giving (due to an incident that happened to my Father when he was in the West Virginia National Guard and was working the Buffalo Creek flood disaster in 1972) I agree with helping the Red Cross, the Salvation Army, Matthew 25 Ministries, and so on. It will be interesting to see what help is offered from the United Nations and other countries. I am sure some will step up.

Today my uncle had his cell phone with him and by a fluke a wrong number called it and it was a person who happened to dial his number from the area he lives at and was only two miles away from his house. As it turned out this young lady was totally freaked out and upset about what is going on around her, but he asked her to stay on the line for a minute and give a general description of his neighborhood. But, still no word on his house. Terry Town is in Jefferson parrish, and the parrish president Broussard called for martial law last night saying that folks will not be let into the West Bank until next Monday. So, my uncle is coming here in Ohio where they will be put up until they figure out what life they have left back home.

DH


[Edited on 8/30/2005 by DerekFromCincinnati]

 

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