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  posted on 8/22/2005 at 02:25 PM
Curious if the ABB ever said anything about Zeppelin or vice versa....huge Zep fan and I don't think I've ever read a comment by Page, Plant, etc. about the ABB...wonder if they were fans of each other...thanks!!!
P.S. This is my first post...going to PNC tomorrow...5th time seeing the ABB!!!

 

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  posted on 8/22/2005 at 03:08 PM
i'm not too sure about the abb being zep fans? i'm sure the abb is not fond of zep ripping off blues artists. during a photo shoot of hittin the note, the photographer had zeppelin playing and butch told them to "turn that crap off" ? maybe it was tongue and cheek but i don't think so. duane used to tease dazed and confused during mt jam. thats my 2 cents

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  posted on 8/22/2005 at 03:18 PM
Zep ripping off Blues artists? I kinda think they were giving tribute to their obvious early influences. Didn't ABB do the same thing? Perhaps I am missing something...... many bluesman who had limited or no success in the States were worshipped by the Brits late 50's early 60's. I think the music of the time period reflects that.
 

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  posted on 8/22/2005 at 03:48 PM
The HUGE difference between the ABB & Zep is ABB credited the songwriters and introduced the songs as written by others ie. Sonny Boy Williamson's One Way Out or Elmore James' Done Somebody Wrong. Zeppelin on the other hand credited themselves as the songwriters and had to be sued by folks like Willie Dixon for the royalties owed.

Did you ever catch the Simson's episode with the family visiting London England? Homer's on the big ferris wheel by the Thames and the spots Jimmy Page.The dialogue goes something like: Hey there's Jimmy Page who stole from all the old blues singers. Priceless.

 

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  posted on 8/22/2005 at 03:49 PM
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Zep ripping off Blues artists? I kinda think they were giving tribute to their obvious early influences. Didn't ABB do the same thing? Perhaps I am missing something...... many bluesman who had limited or no success in the States were worshipped by the Brits late 50's early 60's. I think the music of the time period reflects that.


By ripping off, I think he means that Zep didn't pay any royalties or give any proper credits.

Clapton always made it a point to ensure that money and credits went where it was deserved when he borrowed from his influences, even if there wasn't a true legal obligation to do so.

Plant/Page can't make the same claim.

 

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  posted on 8/22/2005 at 03:50 PM
beat me to it.

 

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  posted on 8/22/2005 at 04:17 PM
Fair enough...............
 

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  posted on 8/22/2005 at 04:22 PM
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Curious if the ABB ever said anything about Zeppelin or vice versa....huge Zep fan and I don't think I've ever read a comment by Page, Plant, etc. about the ABB...wonder if they were fans of each other...thanks!!!
P.S. This is my first post...going to PNC tomorrow...5th time seeing the ABB!!!


I remember seeing something on that CMT special about Southern Rock where Butch said something to the like of record companies not digging them because they didn't dance around like Robert Plant. One of the guys quotes were: "What do you mean that they just stand still up there and play music." Always makes me laugh.

 

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  posted on 8/22/2005 at 04:22 PM
apology accepted . i do know my blues history!!
 

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  posted on 8/22/2005 at 04:26 PM
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Curious if the ABB ever said anything about Zeppelin or vice versa....huge Zep fan and I don't think I've ever read a comment by Page, Plant, etc. about the ABB...wonder if they were fans of each other...thanks!!!
P.S. This is my first post...going to PNC tomorrow...5th time seeing the ABB!!!


I remember seeing something on that CMT special about Southern Rock where Butch said something to the like of record companies not digging them because they didn't dance around like Robert Plant. One of the guys quotes were: "What do you mean that they just stand still up there and play music." Always makes me laugh.


Wasn't there something about Gregg coming out from behind the organ and putting on a velvet suit with a sausage in his pants . . .?

 

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  posted on 8/22/2005 at 04:31 PM
Where were all of these people when I said I didn't care for Plant?? I think Eric Clapton is a blues historian as much as he is a fan and a player. After all, he envied Robert Johnson and what he did. That' s why I thought Me and Mr Johnson was a gutsy project and I applauded him for it. Cream always did those blues songs right. As far as Zep, I have their first 6 albums but there are a number of bands I like better. That's funny as hell what Butch said.

In response to TopDroogs question, yes that's when Butch is talking about record yuppies telling them what they had to do if they wanted a record deal. That was followed by and let him dance around like Robert Plant like the previous poster said.

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  posted on 8/22/2005 at 04:51 PM
Derek and Warren will never have the impact Pagey had.....not to put them down, but Pagey influenced more guitar players than even Duane.

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  posted on 8/22/2005 at 04:51 PM
"Jimmy Page can't hold Warren and Derek's jock strap."

Even if he could, why would he want to? You could catch something nasty that way....

Zeppelin rocks! Jimmy Page may not be the best guitarist around, but he may well be the best arranger in the history of rock and roll. I spent most of my teenage years listening to virtually nothing else, and I turned out okay, so it can't be that bad!

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  posted on 8/22/2005 at 04:54 PM
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I spent most of my teenage years listening to virtually nothing else, and I turned out okay,
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The Jury's still out on that one, buddy.

 

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  posted on 8/22/2005 at 04:55 PM
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  posted on 8/22/2005 at 06:02 PM
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"Jimmy Page can't hold Warren and Derek's jock strap."

Even if he could, why would he want to? You could catch something nasty that way....

Zeppelin rocks! Jimmy Page may not be the best guitarist around, but he may well be the best arranger in the history of rock and roll. I spent most of my teenage years listening to virtually nothing else, and I turned out okay, so it can't be that bad!

[Edited on 8/22/2005 by RobJohnson]


Yes, me too. Plus, you can't judge musicians solely on their skill, or whatever you think is important about being skilled on an instrument. (speed, scales, etc., which is a matter of opinion anyway) I am a way bigger fan of the ABB and their guitarists, but Zeppelin is pretty high up on my list too. And I always felt if you cannot hear the complete beauty and aristry as well as originality in the guitar layers throughout an album on HOUSES OF THE HOLY, you're probably writing it off before you're giving it a close listen. There's a reason Zeppelin is so popular. It's sort of like the Beatles creative studio period... I can learn all kinds of ABB & Yes & Zeppelin riffs and leads and lines (on guitar) with virtually little effort, but some of the Beatles riffs, though technically easier, can be a little bit more difficult to figure out or play with the same conviction, simply because they are creative or unusual.

 

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  posted on 8/22/2005 at 06:10 PM
Careful guys Canadian Mule will probably be by here calling you "Bashers"

 

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  posted on 8/22/2005 at 06:28 PM
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Jimmy Page can't hold Warren and Derek's jock strap.


Easy on Jimmy there my man. Thats almost blasphemy!!!

 

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  posted on 8/22/2005 at 06:52 PM
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Derek and Warren will never have the impact Pagey had.....not to put them down, but Pagey influenced more guitar players than even Duane.

[Edited on 8/22/2005 by musicalbeds]


That's debateable just as this whole thread is. However, everyone that picked up a slide in the 70's tried to play like Duane. Also, if not for Duane, how would Layla and Other... have turned out, if it ever even got released. I would say that's pretty damn influential. To me Steve Gaines is the one that came closest. Listen to T for Texas if you don't believe me. I don't think it's that people are arguing their talent as much as they just don't like the fact that they stole the blues songs and took it to court. Apparently, Hendrix didn't think much of them either and that says enough for me.

 

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  posted on 8/22/2005 at 07:35 PM
If it's debateable, let's debate.

Hendrix was dead before Page really hit his stride...and as a HUGE Hendrix fan I'm interested in knowing where you read/heard that tidbit, as I've never heard mention of it.

Carlos Santana has always been complimentary 'bout Page's playing, citing him as a master of emotional playing....and many many other musicians cite Zeppelin as a major influence.

Page was the man who initially helped Bonham get his sound, a sound that influenced rock more than many realise. Jimmy decided to mic Bonham's drums from a distance, choosing to record the sound of the room they were in as opposed to the actual drums themselves. This revolutionary recording technique alone means Page's influence dwarfs that of many rock legends before we even talk about guitar....where he holds his own quite well.

I love the ABB, and I love Zeppelin. Zep could jam, the ABB can jam...that's all that matters to me. A really good jam....

 

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  posted on 8/22/2005 at 08:25 PM
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Zep ripping off Blues artists? I kinda think they were giving tribute to their obvious early influences. Didn't ABB do the same thing? Perhaps I am missing something...... many bluesman who had limited or no success in the States were worshipped by the Brits late 50's early 60's. I think the music of the time period reflects that.


By ripping off, I think he means that Zep didn't pay any royalties or give any proper credits.

Clapton always made it a point to ensure that money and credits went where it was deserved when he borrowed from his influences, even if there wasn't a true legal obligation to do so.

Plant/Page can't make the same claim.


Page and Plant were not required to pay royalties for songs that were in the public
domain. So they put their own name down to keep the record company from getting
the royalties. If they really were not in the public domain then the copyright holder
can and should make a legal claim. SO in a way they were ripping off the record
company rather than the song writers. Get paid for their arrangements since
Atlantic wasn't gonna pay the song writers anyway.

Clapton didn't pay royalties for Robert Johson's songs
until the Family of Robert Johnson's lawyer informed him they
still had copyrights to his music. And did not consider his songs in the public domain.
At that point he fully cooperated with the lawyer when he realized the family had a claim.
But before that Clapton was not paying royalites either. This was documented in the
RJ documentary "Hell hounds on my trail" The difference is Clapton didn't claim
any writing credit but Johnson's Family didn't get paid until the lawyers got involved.

THe record companies do every thing they can to not
pay royalites to folks so A lot of the times they claim public domain for a song
where that may not be the case.

 

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  posted on 8/22/2005 at 09:33 PM
I wish Warren and Gov't Mule would cover Dancin Days. Maybe I'll get my wish at Down on the Farm. and a Wang Dang Doodle to go with it!
 

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Did you ever catch the Simson's episode with the family visiting London England? Homer's on the big ferris wheel by the Thames and the spots Jimmy Page.The dialogue goes something like: Hey there's Jimmy Page who stole from all the old blues singers. Priceless.
UH HUM! It's the "Simpsons" That episode was hilarious!!!

 

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  posted on 8/22/2005 at 10:14 PM
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the things that Page accomplished in the studio is only rivaled by Tom Dowd (IMHO)
if there was no Zeppelin, I never would of started playing drums. So thank you very much for that

 

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  posted on 8/22/2005 at 10:22 PM
This thread is silly. I'm not a huge Zeppelin fan because their proto-metal sound is not my cup of tea but Jimmy Page was an ENORMOUSLY influential guitarist and his songs are obviously hugely regarded classics. To insult him as a guitar player is just ludicrous. (I make no comment on the blues ripoff issue as I know nothing about it) Regarding him vs. Duane, we must remember that Duane's career lasted about three years. Who knows how he would have influenced guitar playing if he lived (I'm not starting that thread again don't worry) He clearly was the most influential electric slide player of all time And he was an enormously gifted studio player (Page also cut his chops as a session player but the songs he played on did not soar from his playing like with Duane) The styles are totally diffeent. Duane and Dickey did not believe in distortion and played really clean lines. Page was the prototype for heavy seventies distortion.

In any event, I would place both Duane and Page in the top ten all time players. Derek may get there someday and he is one of the best playing today but to say Page couldn't hold his jockstrap? Besides being a sickening image it's untrue. And I speak as a huge ABB and Derek fan and not a huge Zep fan.

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