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  posted on 8/22/2005 at 01:51 PM
Are there any Who fans out there? I know you guys are going to hate me for this, but the ABB is only my second favorite band, because The Who is the first. I absolutely love Pete Townshend's songwriting, and The Who were one of the best live acts ever, all the way from 1964 to today. I have every official Who CD, as well as numerous bootlegs, as well as almost all of Pete's solo releases. I know there music is not too similar, but I wonder if any Allman Brothers fans here like The Who as well. The ABB was an excellent live band, and I rate The Who as good or better than the Brothers live. The reason why ultimately I like The Who better than the ABB is because although Pete Townshend was not as good a guitarist as Duane Allman or Jimmy Page or Eric Clapton or many other of his contemporaries, he still made it work with the skill that he had. The Who's live performances were notable not for their incredible solos and arrangements (like the ABB), but for their pure and raw energy and powerful jams. Pete Townshend has said many times that he was in essence a rhythm guitarist, and he is. He might have fit much better behind the likes of a Duane Allman or Eric Clapton or Peter Green in a blues-rock band, but instead, he used the guitar skill he had and his incredible songwriting to create one of the greatest bands in history. Pete Townshend, IMO, is a better songwriter than Gregg Allman or Dickey Betts, or any of his contemporaries in the music world of the 60's and 70's. Pete Townshend is in a league equal to that of Bob Dylan and Lennon/McCartney when it comes to songwriting, I believe. This combination of explosive live performances and superb songwriting makes me like The Who better than The Allman Brothers, who had (and still have) excellent live performances but never have had songwriters on the level of Pete Townshend. Let's be honest now people, Wasted Words might be a good song, but the lyrics are just not on the level of a writer like Pete.

 

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  posted on 8/22/2005 at 02:01 PM
Apples and Oranges. American and British.

I love both bands.

I saw the Who perform Tommy at Radio City in 1989. It was my first big concert. I was 15. I never looked back. I was flat out astonished by live Rock n Roll from the first chord of " Overture".

I definatly see the ABB every year multiple times. I think this makes them my favorite. The Who is more of an event to me that takes place every few years. Kind of like the Stones in that respect.

Yeah, Pete might be a better lyricist and more prolific than the ABB writers but he doesn't really do justice to the Blues. He's hard rock all the way. I think Warren's writing within the Mule is little more Who style.

 

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  posted on 8/22/2005 at 02:15 PM
It is apples and oranges...both bands are much different.

Townsend is a better lyricist, no doubt, but the Who haven't been even close to what they were since Moonie died....not even close.

The ABB however, is still close to what they were when Duane died.

We might as well argue what star is cooler...it's really just a matter of opinion.

 

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  posted on 8/22/2005 at 02:16 PM
I wouldn't say the arrangements that the ABB do are different. They're always changing Whippping Post and all the instrumentals. Even Woman Across the River is played differently. I like the Who!! I was just watching for the 20th time, the VH1 100 greatest artists of Hard Rock. They were number 9 I think. Pete Townsend has gotten some bad rap for things that were unnecessary. Also, one common thing between the Allmans and Who is tragedy. Keith Moon and the odd death of John Entwhistle. The Road Goes On.

 

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  posted on 8/22/2005 at 02:59 PM
I saw them 3-4 times in their prime, original lineup and I have always maintaned that they rocked as hard as any band.

 

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  posted on 8/22/2005 at 03:34 PM
As mentioned, totally different bands playing completely different styles. To compare them you must be able to find some common denominator. Pete was a great songwriter without a doubt. But for my tastes, he hasn't really done much since Who Are You.

Great live band but I lost all respect after they continued the night after the OX died. It's all about money for them now and has been for a while.

Remember daltry releasing the Pete tribute album? Someone should have told Roger that he already sang on the originals.

 

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  posted on 8/22/2005 at 03:44 PM
The Who rocks!!!!

 

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  posted on 8/22/2005 at 03:45 PM
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Great live band but I lost all respect after they continued the night after the OX died.


I felt the same way...until I heard cocaine was found in his system.

Possibly Pete and Roger knew of John's...tendancies....and told him if he dies from it they won't stop touring.

It's hard to say why people do what they do, but if I was in a band with a person doing hard drugs, I'd tell them straight up; "If you die from that crap, the band won't stop, we'll just continue on without you"

If someone dies of an illness, accident or natural causes it's one thing...but dying because of drug use/abuse doesn't make the world stop for everyone else..jsut the user who's dead.

 

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  posted on 8/22/2005 at 03:49 PM
VH1 replayed Woodstock all weekend, it was great, a trip back in my time. Got to see the Who's performance, what a classic Rock n Roll moment. Townsend's great playing, slamming the guitar on stage until it fried, then threw it to the crowd (wonder where that guitar is now). The women loved Daltry.
I've got to get that on DVD.

 

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  posted on 8/22/2005 at 05:20 PM
I love the ABB. The Who are one of my three favorite groups of all time. In their time, the Who were legendary in power, importance, popularity and influence. I own all their albums and yes, obviously Pete Townshend is one of the great songwriters in rock. But the Who's day has passed and the band no longer exists. In truth, it hasn't existed since 1982 and really hasn't been the same since the death of Keith Moon in 1978. The album run from Tommy in 1969 to Who Are You in 1978 is virtually unparallelled. Only a few groups can match that run of uninterrupted greatness. But I agree with those who say it is silly to compare the two. The ABB is, by and large a blues-rock band that depends on instrumental virtuosity and the kind of jazzy jams that few bands can match. The Who were a great british rock band with a powerful singer, a driving rythym section and a genius song-writer who was able to write deeply personal and meaningful songs for the singer to sing. The sounds are wildly different.

One difference is that the ABB was never about image or rebellion like the Who. I can't imagine the ABB dressing in fancy fringes or smashing their instruments. In a way the Who onstage in their heyday were about violence and the violence inherent in rock. This is not really true of the ABB. Few rock songs are greater and more powerful than "Won't Get Fooled Again."

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  posted on 8/22/2005 at 05:46 PM
HUGE Who Fan here... I always (when people make me choose) say my all-time favorite band is The Beatles and tied in second place is The Allman Brothers Band, The Who & Yes. So I'm certainly not going to be mad for you choosing ABB second! To me, music isn't about what someone else thinks is technically great or more substantial. Music is about the way you feel. And that's the way I look at it. I may not like a lot of the teeny-bopper pop music or the crappy top 40 rap that is right now, but if its making young people feel the way I feel about the ABB or The Who, then that's great for them...

Incidentally, anytime any of you want to chat about any of these artists (and of course others) outside of what we're already doing here... I love to talk music!

 

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  posted on 8/22/2005 at 05:59 PM
Saw them once in the Astrodome.

We had second row seats.

They were good, Pete, Roger, and John, along with their sidemen and a horn section.

A pretty good "greatest hits" type night.

But we got to see Stevie Ray Vaughn open up.

He was incredible.

I have my picture at this show in the booklet that accompanied the Join Together box set from this tour.

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  posted on 8/22/2005 at 06:34 PM
You can't compare apples to oranges. Both are great in their own right.

 

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  posted on 8/22/2005 at 10:45 PM
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Great live band but I lost all respect after they continued the night after the OX died.


I felt the same way...until I heard cocaine was found in his system.

Possibly Pete and Roger knew of John's...tendancies....and told him if he dies from it they won't stop touring.

It's hard to say why people do what they do, but if I was in a band with a person doing hard drugs, I'd tell them straight up; "If you die from that crap, the band won't stop, we'll just continue on without you"

If someone dies of an illness, accident or natural causes it's one thing...but dying because of drug use/abuse doesn't make the world stop for everyone else..jsut the user who's dead.


I somehow think that both Pete and Roger have also done their share of drugs. The fact is that it is well documented that the members of the Who do not like each other much. Roger and Pete have had huge periods of time without speaking. Sadly it has become about money and ego. Four farewell tours? That says it all for me. Farewell until the bank account needs a boost. Remember Pete wrote the songs which kind of leaves Roger on the poorer side of things.

Using your rational of continuing the tour immediately because of drug use would lead to the question of whether Duane was 100% straight and sober when he crashed. Same goes for Berry. I think we all know that it is unlikely that there was no substances involved. It doesn't matter how a person passes, it just matters that they did. A level of respect should be shown after almost 40 years together. I think the OX deserved that much.

 

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  posted on 8/22/2005 at 10:49 PM
IF it was agreed before hand...as we'll never know...then I understand it. The OX mighta told them not to give up.

I gotta say, I thought their performance at LIVE 8 was fantastic, really awesome vocals from Daltry, just bang on...and Townsend is doing well for a guy with tindinitis{sp?}...the ringing in his ears.

 

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  posted on 8/22/2005 at 11:33 PM
I've seen the Who twice, in 1989 at Rich Stadium in Buffalo for one of the farewell (or reunion) tours. Absolutely incredible! I saw them again 5 or six years ago at America West Arena in Phoenix for the Quadraphenia show, and again it was incredible.

As much as I like the ABB, and having seen them 8 times, I can't really say any of the shows were incredible. They were always really good, and more often great, but never incredible.

BTW, what is the proper amount of time to wait to resume playing after a bandmate has passed away? And, the better question might be is it ok to ever resume? Better yet, who are you or I to decided what is right or wrong in these instances?

This quote by CanadienMule bothers me though: "Great live band but I lost all respect after they continued the night after the OX died." You're entitled to having lost respect for them, but are not entitled to an opinion as to when they resumed playing. You don't know any of the circumstances surrounding the decision, so therefore, even having an opinion about it is out of the question. Nothing personal, ya know.

 

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  posted on 8/23/2005 at 08:56 AM
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IF it was agreed before hand...as we'll never know...then I understand it. The OX mighta told them not to give up.

I gotta say, I thought their performance at LIVE 8 was fantastic, really awesome vocals from Daltry, just bang on...and Townsend is doing well for a guy with tindinitis{sp?}...the ringing in his ears.


Are you suggesting that he knew he was going to die? I think that would be a little silly.

 

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  posted on 8/23/2005 at 09:02 AM
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Are you suggesting that he knew he was going to die? I think that would be a little silly.



I am suggesting that at their age, they might have discussed it and made their views known...it's not like dying at their age in the middle of tour from natural causes isn't possible...they may have made plans.

 

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  posted on 8/23/2005 at 09:03 AM
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This quote by CanadienMule bothers me though: "Great live band but I lost all respect after they continued the night after the OX died." You're entitled to having lost respect for them, but are not entitled to an opinion as to when they resumed playing. You don't know any of the circumstances surrounding the decision, so therefore, even having an opinion about it is out of the question. Nothing personal, ya know.


Why is it an opinion as to when they resumed playing? It is a fact that they continued two nights later with a replacement. Your statement doesn't really make any sense. I don't know all of the decisions but somehow I think a little time off would have been respectful. The ABB didn't replace Duane the following night after he passed. Would it have bothered you if they had? It is a matter of respect. If you follow the Who's career they have never really had that respect for each other.

After all the farewell tours, I think it is safe to assume that money has a big part of it. I like the Who. I have seen them live a bunch of times and always enjoyed it. I have lots of albums which I also enjoy. That doesn't mean that I should just accept anything from them.

 

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  posted on 8/23/2005 at 09:10 AM
Mr. Ox had a serious heart problem. It doesn't take a genius to know you shouldn't do blow in such circumstances. The Who had a tour booked - it might not have been possible for them to cancel. Think of the logistics - roadies hired, local tech people, stadiums, theaters, plane rental, equipment rental, guarantees already paid, tickets to be refunded. It was probably their worst nightmare.
No, they haven't been the same since Moonie died and the rest didn't die before they got too old. But in their heyday, they were nothing less than phenomenal. Townsend's songwriting was genius and his performance was awesome. I saw them play Tommy (along with the whole Live at Leeds set) twice at the Fillmore and then the Metropolitan Opera House in '70 and a few other times that I can't specifically recall (forgive me, I did live to get old). They were a BLAST!
To compare the ABB with the Who - correct - apples and oranges.
To say the ABB is close to where they were when Duane was alive - you gotta be kidding?

 

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  posted on 8/23/2005 at 09:19 AM
Second box set I ever got was the Who-30 Years of Maximum R & B......LOVE The Who!!!! Loved their performance at Woodstock, have seen clips and vids and everything else from this band. Never could get enough. I have to agree, The Who vs. The Allman Brothers Band is apples and oranges.....both are FABULOUS in their own right.
 

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  posted on 8/23/2005 at 09:23 AM
I remember when Entwhistle died; people here are saying they played two nights later, but I'm certain it was more like four days. Pino Palladino had basically the weekend to learn all the songs. I had tickets for the second show of the tour at Shoreline Amphitheatre in the Bay area and remember my dissapointment and then elation when it was announced that the show would go on. I witnessed one of the greatest shows of my life, and having been going to concerts for 34 years that is saying something. They didn't really say much about it, although Daltrey addressed the crowd briefly and very emotionally, something to the tune of, "You know it's really, really hard..........but life goes on. We are here to live it." And live it they did........it was a tremendous, emotional performance. Townsend in particular seemed to channel his loss into the music. To those of you who were offended: What did you expect them to do, cancel the entire tour and sit home and weep? They did what musicians do, they channeled it into their performance, showed up and satisfied their fans, certainly me!! It was the ultimate statement of the old show biz credo, "The show must go on." And I happen to think they did exactly what the Ox would've wanted.

 

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  posted on 8/23/2005 at 10:16 AM
The Who's performance on the Isle Of Wight DVD is worth the price of admission alone. Any fan who hasn't seen it definitely should.
 

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  posted on 8/23/2005 at 12:15 PM
Yes, apples and oranges. I probably listen to the ABB more frequently, but there is nothing like the Who. Total madmen on stage. I love the Ox's get up on the Isle of Wight, isn't that the one where he is wearing the skeleton suit? One of the first albums I ever got was the Kids Are Alright, along with Kiss Alive of course, both are essential.
 

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  posted on 8/23/2005 at 07:20 PM
The Who were my favorite band, ABB a close second, for over twenty-five years. I was lucky enought to see the original quartet: at Woodstock '69, then next year at Tanglewood(right after a run at Radio city doing Tommy), then in 1971 on the first tour behind Who's Next then on the '73 Quadrophenia tour and again in 1975 in support of Who by Numbers. i have never seen a more exciting live act than Townshend, Daltrey, Moon and Entwistle: using laser lights was a comedown for them!

 
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