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  posted on 8/21/2005 at 03:22 PM
What dates has Duane played with the Dead? I know he played 2/11/70 and 4/71 but I don't know what date exactly. Was there any other times?
 
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  posted on 8/21/2005 at 06:48 PM
11/20/'70 is known. I heard that It was Dead radio show of WBCN-FM and Duane played from middle of the broadcasting.
Form another source, set list is following.

1. El Paso
2. Big Railroad Blues
3. I Know You Rider
4. Neaunont Rag
5. Dark Hollow
6. Angie
7. Let Me In


 

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  posted on 8/21/2005 at 06:58 PM
If I remember right, most of the ABB was present, but they didnt bring any instruments with them. Jerry had to let Duane use his, and they teased him about it the entire show.
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  posted on 8/21/2005 at 09:12 PM
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I checked db.etree.org and they have Jorma coming out with the Dead in Rochester, but no Duane. There appears to be some conflicting information there -- they claim Duane played with Derek & the Dominos in Santa Monica that night. As for WBCN, there's a jam listed with Bob Weir and Gregg Allman & Jerry but it doesn't say anything about Duane. That is listed as 11/21/70 though... If the show you listed above with Duane and the Dead actually exists, I would love to hear it, so if anyone has any more info about that show and any potential recordings, I'd be very interested.

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As far as I know, Duane only played with Derek & The Dominos with 12/01/'70 (Curtis Hixon Hall, Tampa, FL) and 12/02/'70(sorry, forgot the venue).
About 11/20/'70 show of Derek & The Dominos at Santa Monica Civic Auditrium, Duane didn't play with them and the guest player of that night was Delaney Bramlett. I have recording of this show and be able to hear Delaney sang "Derek's Boogie".

Also about WBCN-FM show of GD, I'm sorry but I don't have it.
I've got this information from Japanese site of Duane related.
I'd like to know more info about it too.

[additional info]
I found this from the net.
http://setlist.com/index.asp?DoSearch=Yes&SearchWhat=AllSets&ArtistID=1&Key word1=Angie

Anyway I can't say it's true or not because I don't hear it.
If it was wrong info, I'm so sorry for the post......


[Edited on 8/22/2005 by MasahikoYamaura]

 

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  posted on 8/21/2005 at 11:00 PM
Well if Duane was playing with the Dominos then it would confirm that he played with them more than just December 1st 1970 (did the date to avoid international confusion). Maybe there is another Duane & Dominos tape.
Also, I have all the Duane songs from 4/26/71, and some of that 2/11/70, which can all be found on Archive.org (great site btw). On 2/11/70 is Duane & Gregg playing? Also what songs did they sit in on? Lovelight and Dark Star?

 

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  posted on 8/21/2005 at 11:37 PM
OK, Nov.20th.'70 show of Derek & The Dominos, there were early and late shows.
Both recordings are released as bootleg from orginal TMOQ label and was over 30 years ago. I can't hear any play of Duane in both shows.

About 2/11/70 of GD Fillmore East show, Duane played on
Darkstar
Spanish Jam
Turn On Your Lovelight
Also Gregg took a vocal on Turn On Your Lovelight and Peter Green also played with.

Following is the pic of the show.




[Edited on 8/22/2005 by MasahikoYamaura]

 

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  posted on 8/22/2005 at 09:37 AM
Who is the guy (back to camera) in front of Gregg?

 

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  posted on 8/22/2005 at 11:27 AM
Danny Kirwan is the guy....still on the streets of London, in need of serious rehabilitation and peace of mind. Sad to think how many in that photo are no longer with us, in body OR mind

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  posted on 8/22/2005 at 12:07 PM
yeah, I agree carlos. I think Gregg admired Pig Pen, that's probably why he covered Lovelight on his Gregg Allman Tour in 1974. Did the Dead have 2 drummers at that time?
 

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  posted on 8/22/2005 at 03:16 PM
There's a recording available of the Allman's show on 2/11/70 from Grateful Dead Merchandise, but nothing from when Duane, Gregg & Co. sit in. That's a great picture.

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  posted on 8/22/2005 at 09:34 PM
I can chime in here with a little info.....
The Dead had 2 drummers at the time, Bill Kreutzmann and Mickey Hart. This was a major source of inspiration for the Allmans lineup. The Dead went to a 2 drummer sound in 68, a year before the Allmans were formed.

Duane never played with Derek at Santa Monica. It is Delaney Bramlett.
It is very hard to hear Duane on the Dead's 2/11/70. Gregg is very audible, but Duane...

Too bad to hear about Danny Kirwan. I always liked the Future Games edition of Fleetwood Mac that he co-fronted with Bob Welch. I was at the gig in LA where Danny Kirwan was thrust up front when Jeremy Spencer wigged out and joined the Jesus freaks
the night before.(2/19/71) Poor guy was in over his head and they ended up doing a lot of middling jamming. No Peter Green, no Jeremy Spencer...what can you do on such short notice?! I was actually quite amazed at the quality of Future Games, which came out about 6 months after this gig. You wouldn't know Kirwan had it in him at the time.

BTW, I was surfing some traders' setlists on the net and came across some guy who listed the Allman Bros. at the Whiskey on 10-11-71, a gig I have claimed existed, but no one had proof of. Unfortunately, it looked like he only had 9 minutes of audience tape so I didn't pursue it.

I still can't believe no one has been able to unearth any soundboards from that last West Coast tour.

 

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  posted on 8/22/2005 at 11:21 PM
Where can I contact the guy with that tape? I'm interested even if it's just something short like that?
You can download the 2/11/70 shows from Archive.org

 

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  posted on 8/23/2005 at 11:17 AM
Can't remember where I saw it. You might want to try a google search for it by including the date and Whiskey.
 

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  posted on 8/23/2005 at 07:04 PM
Isn't it 10/02/'71?
I couldn't find any footage of ABB on 10/11/'71 with venue of Whiskey...

 

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  posted on 8/24/2005 at 01:33 AM
There has been a question about this for a long time. I was living in LA at the time and we never heard about the Whiskey gig until a few days after when someone said they played there before flying home. It was totally unannounced.
Now, there might have been one on 10/2 as well, but I don't remember.
On the old Hittin' The Web site, a photographer had said he was at the 10/2 gig.
Who knows.
PS. This is audio, not video.

 

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  posted on 8/24/2005 at 02:30 AM
I found this while doing a google search of Google Groups for anything pertaining to Duane Allman.
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/rec.music.gdead/browse_thread/thread/28 32995451c27930/c8b946408f75fc9b?lnk=st&q=Duane+Allman&rnum=171&hl=en#c8b946 408f75fc9b

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>One particular show comes to mind, and I was wondering if anyone out
>there in deadland could possibly fill in some of the blanks in my mind about
>it and even possibly a tape or two? This was about 68, 69, or 70. Possibly
>even 71. (funny how those years kinda all ran together for me) Anyway the
>setting is Atlanta, at a Roller Rink no less. We got there early and thus had
>stage positions. So someone comes out after a while (Bobby I think) and says
>that the airlines mistakenly sent a lot of their equipment to Boston or some-
>where and that they had asked around for local help and had gotten a hold of
>the Allman bros. that afternoon and they agreed to lend the boyz a hand. I
>have never been the same since that afternoon. Being no more than 6 to 8 feet
>from Jerry and Duane as they did their duelling slide numbers left me feeling
>for days that if I ever decided to pursue the 'flying' phenomena that was
>happening in the TM movement at that time, that I could skip a least the first
>few lessons and possibly get right on with post-graduate studies. Anyway this
>was without doubt a tremendous show. The place was fairly small, about the size
>of the Capitol theater or less and I was just wonderin if anyone else on the net
>happened to catch this AB/GD jam at that roller rink in Atlanta those many
>years ago? And perhaps a set list or a tape or two to exchange.

Yes, this was 10 May 70 at the Sports Pavilion. There's no setlist in
DeadBase. Here's what Duane had to say about it in a 1971 interview with Good
Times magazine:

Who's the most exciting person that you've ever jammed with?

I'd rather jam with my own band than anybody alive! I've got the best
players that there are. But I'd like to jam with anyone who likes to
play, and anybody who likes to can come around our set anytime. Now,
Jerry Garcia -- there's one I love to play with.

Have you played with the Dead?

I played with them in a boxing arena in Atlanta once. Boy, there was a
stink in that place! It was great, though. It was fun! We also
[joined them] on their set at the Fillmore one night. And Peter
Green's real good . . .

I'd love to hear anything else you can remember about this show. DeadBase is
well researched, so I'm not hopeful of finding a tape. But if anyone has one,
please let me know!

BTW, Duane lived from 20 Nov 1946 to 29 Oct 1971.

Jamie Ide i...@studio.enet.dec.com


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Thanks to Jamie for adding some more details. Just to follow up a little
more on what Barry asked about:

|WOW! Thanks Jeff. Can you tell me a little more about DeadBase? Now I am
|really confused. The Sports Arena rings a bell, so it may have been the
|5/10/70 gig, but you also listed a 2/11/70 and 4/26/71 show but no location
|for those.

DeadBase is an annual book that has all known (by the authors anyway) show
dates and setlists for the Grateful Dead. The current version is volume six
(frequently referred to as DB VI) and covers all shows from the beginning
through 1991. DeadBase VII is currently being worked on and should be available
sometime at the end of the summer or early fall (?) and cover through all shows
in 1992. In addition there are yearly books (DeadBase '90, DeadBase '91, etc.)
that cover only that year, but go into more detail, like song lengths for
every song played at every show and a review of every show by many different
contributors.

The 2/11/70 and 4/26/71 shows were both at the Fillmore East in New York City.
The 2/11/70 show also featured Gregg Allman and Peter Green of Fleetwood Mac.

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  posted on 8/26/2005 at 09:37 AM
Hey Guys,
Was just wondering - was that Danny Kirwan or was it Phil Lesh who was in front of Greggiepooh? Just listened to that show and that jam and I thought that I heard Phil in there pumping away as usual.

 

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  posted on 8/26/2005 at 02:16 PM
I think you might be hearing Berry. Lesh and Berry really had an up-front kinda bass playing, not just some little 2 notes per chord thing or something.

edit I went and checked out archive.org again and found this on one of the comments for 2/11/70
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Arthur Lee of Love adds percussion to the Dark Star. The third guitarist audible starting about 2:30 into Dark Star and for several minutes thereafter is Peter Green. Duane Allman on slide guitar enters around the middle of Dark Star. Gregg Allman adds organ & vocals during Lovelight, and Barry Oakley plays a second bass on Lovelight. Richard Pipes believes Fleetwood Mac-member Danny Kirwan's guitar is also to be discerned in the background. The encore is acoustic Dead, with only one acoustic guitar. The timings are from the AUD supplemented by the SBD. The Allman Bros and Love were also on the bill.



I only hear one bass

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  posted on 8/26/2005 at 11:39 PM
You know, I was just looking at the picture again a few days ago and I'm thinkin' it was Lesh.
The hair looks more like Lesh than Kirwan at the time. Hard to tell if that's a bass or a guitar he's holding.

 

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  posted on 8/30/2005 at 05:02 PM
Never even knew that any photos existed from 2/11/70 -- what a gem!! Thank you for sharing it Masahiko!

Am just now seeing Butchy in it also, and possibly Berry -- this is VERY intriguing! How cool!

[Edited on 8/30/2005 by Stephen]

 

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  posted on 8/30/2005 at 07:24 PM
5/10/70 is the mystery tape that unfortunately has never surfaced from Grateful land.
I thought it was in Alanta at Peidmont Park. It's in Dead Base. The Dead needed equipment due to airline screwups and the Allmans lent the Dead their gear.

 

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  posted on 8/31/2005 at 01:50 PM
I don't know how to print the imagae, but here's a picture of the dead in their 2/14 show. Look at Phil Lesh standing - where Berry is in the other shot. Berry is probably using his bass. Also, look how thick the strap on Phil Lesh's bass is. I'm not sure who he is, but the guy in question from the 2/11 photo isn't Phil Lesh.

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  posted on 9/6/2005 at 07:30 PM
Mick Fleetwood is the other guy in the pic, with his arms raised to the left of Peter Green, as we look at the photo.

 

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  posted on 9/7/2005 at 12:37 PM
And that's Mickey Hart on the far right looking like he's checking some amps. Butch is probably playing his kit.
 
 


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