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  posted on 7/31/2005 at 02:14 PM
I've been listening to IMOER from the original lineup of The Allman Brothers Band and when I hear them play it today... there is a lot missing. Is it me, or does the version of Liz Reed today seem too drastic?

It seemed when the ABB played it back then, it was an easy mellow tune. Duane said it himself, we're going to start off mellow, and work our way up at the beginning of a show.

Drastic how? I know you're saying, that most of today's songs don't resemble exactly what they were back in the day, but shouldn't the vibe still be behind IMOER? I know I'm not the only one, but I don't really care to hear the song anymore, unless it's being played by The Original 6 members. It was a slow Jazzy song, had great tone, and everything.

I don't know, may just be me.. but the song doesn't feel the same when I hear it.

 

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  posted on 7/31/2005 at 02:23 PM
Interesting observation.

I think the differences are obvious in that the guitar soloists are not the same.

I think you are right that Derek and Warren may be a bit more drramtic in their
performances than Duane and Dickey. But I see the drama and tension in the
original bands performances also.

But it doesn't seem as drastically different to me as it appears to seem to you.

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  posted on 7/31/2005 at 02:33 PM
Liz Reed has always been my favorite ABB song. What I don't like is when they go into it, then the drum "trio", bass solo, and then the rest of the band comes out for 20 seconds and then the song and the show is over. I did enjoy the version at the Beacon this year. I agree that I like the original versions better.

 

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  posted on 7/31/2005 at 02:36 PM
I don't necessarily like the drums in Liz Reed, but I love the way it is played now. It is like the tune evolved from Dracula to Blacula to the Song of Kong. It's a monster tune and I love it almost everytime I hear it.

 

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  posted on 7/31/2005 at 02:50 PM
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It seemed when the ABB played it back then, it was an easy mellow tune. Duane said it himself, we're going to start off mellow, and work our way up at the beginning of a show.



they dont exactly open too many shows with Liz Reed these days, either. Later in the show, theyre more warmed up, and thusly would play it different.

Warren said as such, citing an example from Summer 01..they were at Great Woods, I think..and they OPENED with Whipping Post...and realized that they werent warmed up enough yet to tackle it and play it to the level at which they do at the end of the show...which is why its usually the last tune, or the encore, with some exception, of course.

Perhaps the band feels that Liz Reed is another one of those tunes that needs a certain spot to be the most effective.

 

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  posted on 7/31/2005 at 05:12 PM
I think the answer is simple. Duane and Dickey's playing was more refined and seemed to have a lot more soul than the current versions. I think they "felt" it, rather than just "performed" it.
 

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  posted on 7/31/2005 at 05:16 PM
for one without a drum break, check out the short, VERY intense version from last year's charlotte show.


 

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  posted on 7/31/2005 at 05:25 PM
I agree, IMHO, the Charlotte 04 was one of the hottest performance of the year!

 

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  posted on 7/31/2005 at 05:26 PM
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I think the answer is simple. Duane and Dickey's playing was more refined and seemed to have a lot more soul than the current versions. I think they "felt" it, rather than just "performed" it.


I've heard it enough times with this lineup to disagree entirely with this notion. Then again, "soul" is a relative term and what I feel is likely very different than what any other given person feels during any performance.

 

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  posted on 7/31/2005 at 05:55 PM
the tune changed my life. and i love hearing most abb lineups play it, now its just a bunch of different guys playing the tune, like if a bunch of different singers sang the song it would be a little different. but i think the original band was a little more 'raw' sounding than now, they have a bigger drum sound now and things like that, plus now the band plays way bigger venues and the recordings give the tune a different vibe than way back when.
 

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  posted on 7/31/2005 at 06:33 PM
I've been saying for a few years that I would love to occasionally hear that song done more like the original versions. Without the bass solo and only a drum break not a solo and maybe keep the song to 10-15 min. Still I never complain about a massive 30 min. version or like the one on 3/19 of this year that streatched to 45min.
 

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  posted on 7/31/2005 at 07:47 PM
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I've been saying for a few years that I would love to occasionally hear that song done more like the original versions. Without the bass solo and only a drum break not a solo and maybe keep the song to 10-15 min. Still I never complain about a massive 30 min. version or like the one on 3/19 of this year that streatched to 45min.

It's a feel play for me - kind of like the opposite of how YDLM is performed.
The Fillmore and other versions were longer and a straight suffle vs todays' shorter versions.
They are ALL good.
I am not in the camp of the extended drum solo, however.
I had to endure two 3 hr drives as a passenger listening to "Today's music" and "Classic Rock" radio ststions - most of it brutal.
I'm happy with the new and the old.

 

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  posted on 7/31/2005 at 08:46 PM
ill be honest with you --i'd take the song any way you wanna play it! love it from the fillmore but i saw it played at the beacon 5/19 and it blew me away man dam i love these guys

 

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  posted on 7/31/2005 at 09:11 PM
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I think the answer is simple. Duane and Dickey's playing was more refined and seemed to have a lot more soul than the current versions. I think they "felt" it, rather than just "performed" it.


I have to disagree with this comment. Derek and Warren's playing is pretty damned refined. And they certainly don't just perform it. I think the biggest difference in how the two lineups play the song is that Derek and Warren seem to add more jazz elements to it. This song has probably changed more than any other Brother's song over the years. Each lineup made it a little different but it has always stood up as a great song. Dickey has written many great songs but this may be his masterpiece.

 

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  posted on 7/31/2005 at 09:24 PM
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Liz Reed has always been my favorite ABB song. What I don't like is when they go into it, then the drum "trio", bass solo, and then the rest of the band comes out for 20 seconds and then the song and the show is over. I did enjoy the version at the Beacon this year. I agree that I like the original versions better.


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  posted on 7/31/2005 at 09:34 PM
I think that drum solo is waaaaaaaaaaay too long. I'd like to hear 12-20 minute versions.

 

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  posted on 7/31/2005 at 09:37 PM
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I think that drum solo is waaaaaaaaaaay too long. I'd like to hear 12-20 minute versions.


It's Drum Trio

I agree. Drums should be kept for Black Hearted Woman

 

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  posted on 7/31/2005 at 10:32 PM
I would also add songs such as "One Way Out" & "YDLM" being "better" by the original line up. Just don't sound right.

Dreams-I actually look forward to hearing different players take this one. It was cool hearing Jack Pearson & Oteil tackle the older tunes like Dreams when they first joined the band. Again, sometimes it was great, while I was lukewarm to others. It was an interesting time.

Guess it's all in the way of how it's interpretated, & by whom.



 

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  posted on 8/1/2005 at 06:42 AM
I agree about OWO and YDLM, finsky. Somehow, the vibe in OWO is totally different. I guess I'd say it's more roadhouse or something like that. And, as so many others have said, the swing thing going on in YDLM is a little annoying.

 

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  posted on 8/1/2005 at 08:40 AM
...I think folks get in the habit way way way too much about constantly trying to compare this band with the original lineup which is now been gone from us for 35 years.

Is it good discussion?...yeah sure, but sometimes it can get a bit tedious trying to make those comparisons - Its a different time and different players. Does this bands version of "Liz Reed" sound like it's 1971?...well somewhat but certainly not exactly. The fact is, "Liz Reed" didn't sound close to the original lineup in the 1990's either with Dickey, Warren and Woody...and in The Jack Pearson years they usually played it painfully slow even though Jack amazed us with his long trippy solos. Those loooong drum solos have been present in Liz Reed now for about 15 years so its not new to this lineup. The biggest difference to my ears is that they played it faster in 1971 and Gregg's keyboards were much more at the forefront of the song, providing as much colour as the guitars did, especially the rhythm...Gregg was certainly front and center. Todays its a bit Jazzier with a more "floaty" rhythm being provided...which suits me just fine.

"You Don't Love Me" is another song that sounds a bit different too but the fact is they are still playing it better than any lineup "since" the original but obviously not as good as those 20 minute monster versions from 1971 - those versions will NEVER be topped. I recently went back and listened to a show from 1998 with Jack and "YDLM" was almost unlistenable - it was only like 6 minutes long and had no feel what so ever. Dickeys solo was almost non-existant - quite simply it was pretty boring. Right now they are playing a lot of songs lightyears better than they did in the mid to late 1990's. "One Way Out" is the same deal...however, to most of us that magic version from the Fillmore on "Eat A Peach" was NEVER topped by any lineup ever. They simply caught magic in a bottle that night that was never duplicated...So its not really fair to sat this lineup isn't doing it better when even Dickey has never even some close to that perfect solo he provided that special night...sometimes you just NAIL it, which they did that night at The Fillmore!

...The bottom line is some songs songs they are playing better than ever - any lineup - and others simply won't ever have the same feel or energy that Duane and Berry gave us in those same songs. Look at some other bands: The Stones sound FAR different than they did in 1971, so does The Who. The Dead sounded a lot different in 1995 than they did in 1971. Pink Floyd, same thing.

The fact that The ABB still plays at a very high level and are the furthest thing from a nostalgia trip than any band that been around for 30 plus years...Comparing this lineup to the Duane/Berry era is inevitable I guess. I'm sure if Duane and Berry were still here "LIz Reed" would still sound a bit different anyway - who knows how these songs would have evolved even if the original lineup remained in tact...We still might be saying the same things - an endless comparison to the golden years. All I know is 3/19/05 sounds awfully good to my ears so I'll take it and be very happy... Is it the same, no...Is it stilll great, hell yeah.






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  posted on 8/1/2005 at 09:06 AM
....my .02--The Fillmore Liz Reed may be the high point of music created by the human race, IMHO, even if it took some technical tricks by Mr. Dowd. The ultimate in "tension and release," the guitars playing like saxophones, with little breaks for a breath. At the finish, Duane plays to a frantic orgasm, there's the brief drum break when it's time to breathe again, the afterglow rideout. It's unrealistic to expect people to play every show with such emotional intensity. The current band certainly has the talent. Every time I've heard the song live, it has become a drum orgy--totally destroying the masterpiece Duane created, and always disappointing by comparison. The drum trio deserves its place in every show, but to place it in Liz Reed is totally without taste.
 
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  posted on 8/1/2005 at 09:12 AM
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...I think folks get in the habit way way way too much about constantly trying to compare this band with the original lineup which is now been gone from us for 35 years.

Is it good discussion?...yeah sure, sometimes but it can get a bit tedious trying to compare at times - Its a different time and different players. Does this bands version of LIz Reed sound like it's 1971?...well somewhat but certainly not exactly. The fact is, "Liz Reed" didn't sound close to the original lineup in the 1990's either with Dickey, Warren and Woody...and in The Jack Pearson years they sometimes played it painfully slow even though Jack amazed us with his long trippy solos. THose looong drum solos have been present in Liz Reed now for about 15 years so its not new to this lineup. The biggest difference to my ears is that they played it faster in 1971 and Gregg's keyboards were much more at the forefront of the song, providing as much colour as the guitars did, especially the rhythm...Gregg was certainly front and center. Todays its a bit Jazzier with a more "floaty" rhythm being provided...which suits me just fine.

"You Don't Love Me" is another song that sounds bit different too but the fact is they are playing better than any line "since" the original but obviously not as good as those 20 minute versions from 1971 - those versions will NEVER be topped. I recently went back and listenedd to a show from 1998 with Jack and "YDLM" was almost unlistenable - it was only like 6 minutes long and had no feel what so ever. Dickeys solo was almost non-existant - quite simply it was boring. They are playing a lot of songs lightyears better than they did in the mid to late 1990's. "One Way Out" same deal...however to most of us that magic version from the Fillmore on "Eat A Peach" was NEVER topped by any lineup ever. They simply caught magic in a bottle that night that was never duplicated...So its not really fair to sat this lineup isn't doing it better when even Dickey has never even some close to that most perfect solo he provided that special night...sometimes you just NAIL it!

...The bottom line is some songs songs they are playing way better than ever - any line up - and others simply won't ever have the same feel or energy that Duane and Berry gave us in those same songs. The Stones sound FAR different than they did in 1971, so does The Who. The Dead sounded a lot different in 1995 than they did in 1971.

The fact that The ABB still plays at a very high level and are the furthest thing from a nostalgia trip than any band that been around for 30 plus years...Comparing this lineup to the Duane/Berry era is inevitable I guess. I'm sure if Duane and Berry were still here LIz Reed would sound a bit different anyway - who knows how these songs would have evolved even if the original lineup remained in tact...We still might be saying the same things - an endless comparison to the golden years. All I know is 3/19/05 sounds awfully good to my ears so I'll take it and be very happy... Is it the same, no...Is it stilll great, hell yeah.




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  posted on 8/1/2005 at 09:22 AM
Thank you Chad, my Brudda!...I put a lot of thought into that post.. .
 
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  posted on 8/1/2005 at 09:31 AM
nicely said eddie.....funny, i had this discussion yesterday with my band....we have been playing liz reed for three years now and I was wondering if the guys were getting tired of it....I was scolded for even thinking that..but i do agree, it is one of those songs we need to be warmed up for....it is really fun at this point for us to learn how to pace a show...and as for this song, i guess i must say it is one of my top three ABB songs.3/19/05 was an incredible version...

 

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  posted on 8/1/2005 at 10:09 AM
I wasn't saying that the band was exactly like the original lineup... that's obvious. I just miss Gregg being up front on that song, that was his time to shine.

 

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