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  posted on 7/25/2005 at 07:27 AM
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The crew I was with got to the parking lot nice and early so that we could tailgate and enjoy the scene. We arrived around 2:30pm (show at 7:30) to find about 6 cars in the lot......WTF?........We parked next some very cool people under a tree and even had a picnic table. The festivities started right away after we gave them some free tunes.....and they were already cranking some great sounding Mule.....come to find out we had encountered each other at the 6/26/05 Mule show.....atmosphere was improving. As the afternoon wore on....the lot slowly began to fill....I mean slowly.......By 5:00pm the lot was half empty....WTF?.....(I learned later that there was a 16 mile construction backup on the NYS Thruway) As we handed out free cds people looked at us like we were from **** ing Mars...what is wrong with the scene lately? The vibe was not good at all in the lot.....security was fairly relaxed compared to years past at FLPAC...and that was a good thing, but not enough to liven up the lot. As we made our way into the show, the lot was filling up with last minute arrivals. As we staked out some prime real estate on the lawn we prepared ourselves for Gavin DeGraw......not a lot to say here....not my kind of music....as a last resort he jumped into the audience and went through the crowd singing and up onto the lawn. The Allmans came on around 9:00pm (I had gotten a peak at the setlist so I knew the first two songs).....The first two songs came and went without a hint of energy...then came Warren with Who's Been Talking.......well everyone was talking......mostly WTF......this show was in the toilet.....Warren couldn't get thing together was obviously not himself.....the song merely ended....it played right into nothing......Gregg got up and went over to Derek and said something (I would imagine it was you're going to have to carry the show tonight)......after 6 songs it was roughly 40 minutes into the show......Gregg reminded us that the night was still young. The crowd was horrible all around no one was grooving the shell had 98% in its seats....the lawn was a race way for constant people moving around and talking.......they have a thing in Upstate called Happy Hour.....these people need to go there instead of wasting $32 to ruin my time totally....every where we moved the same thing......I've seen more life and enthusiaium at a nursing home....seriously....no crowd interaction here except for Midnight Rider which Gavin DeGraw came out and ruined...Chuck Campbell sat in on pedal steel which wasn't even audible....and the crowd knew the Enc~>...........Egypt has never been my favorite tune....but they played the **** out of it...and has gained acceptance by me for sure. Derek was starting to carry the show a little bit and Warren was starting to interact more....Stormy Monday was decent....as the show gained some momentum. Instrumental Illness was enjoyable until it went into the longest Drums>Bass ever (one person even yelled "enough already")......I imagined there were some issues back stage and the Drummers kept us occupied. One Way Out rocked the nuggets....the Campbell Brothers came out one on guitar and Chuck on pedal steel (very audible now).......the Campbell Brother on guitar was a freaking giant.....He looked like he was playing air guitar with a fork......that's how big this guy is......well he played some serious forking music......solos taken by both Campbell brothers and Derek. Derek did his best to hold it together for the band.....Gregg was having troubles of his own...coughing and spitting numerous times even though vocally he was strong. The Enc~> was an average Whipping Post. Bad venue, Bad show.....just a train wreck that gained little momentum.

 

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  posted on 7/25/2005 at 07:35 AM
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ABB7/22/05

Done Somebody
Every Hungry
Been Talkin
Gambler's
Hoochie
Egypt
Good Clean
Stormy
Midnight (w/ Degraw and Chuck Campbell)
Illness>Drums>Bass>Illness

(on set list but not played).44Blues

One Way Out (w/Campbell Brothers)
Enc~>
Whipping Post

 

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  posted on 7/25/2005 at 08:17 AM
Vern-Oh, sorry to hear you didn't enjoy the show. It's amazing how everyone's interpretation is different and subjective. I agree that "Midnight Rider" was a big let down with Gavin attempting to sing a song he obviously didn't know the lyrics to. However, I thought Warren was great and took control of the show. This show was the closest I've ever been to the stage for the ABB (about twelth row for the last two songs). It gave me the opportunity to really watch how much in charge Warren really is. I thought everyone sounded and played great. Gregg seemed very into it although I was disappointed when he didn't let the band go into Liz Reed near the end of Whiping Post (did anyone else notice that?). I thought the crowd was actually into it considering most of the people around us were a bit older and probably not "peach heads" if you know what I mean. I can't say much about the crowd up on the lawn as I never ventured up there. I actually enjoyed the venue...no harrassment like the last time and I merely had to walk thirty yards from my seat to piss in the woods and burn one. The ushers on our side (far right) were very cool and I chatted with one gal who hadn't seen the brothers since the mid seventies. She was very nice. Smattermonnat and I had all kinds of room in our seats and didn't get any kind of crap from anyone when we stood up and grooved. I should add that we didn't get inside until Gavin was nearly done with his set. We didn't have time to tailgate as we left for the show from our area around 4:45 PM and it's over a 2.5 hour drive not including a rest stop. I thought Gavin was a decent singer, but a little full of himself. Kind of cocky, but what the hell, he's got some pipes. All in all, I thought it was a great show. I'm sorry we didn't get there early enough to get some of your 'Mule.

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  posted on 7/25/2005 at 08:28 AM
I love Gamblers Roll , Eygpt and Illness as songs but all 3 in the same set at a summer outdoor show is definatly a bit much for the casual fan to handle. I think that might of had alot to do with the lackluster crowd.

I wasn't there though.

 

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  posted on 7/25/2005 at 08:56 AM
there were some major problems on stage......Warren was not with it, but he played through

This the second concert I've been to at this venue where the crowd totally blew

 

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  posted on 7/25/2005 at 09:18 AM
Interesting...the diff. views of the same show. Can't wait to hear it myself. Ya know,IMO...even on an "off" night...the Bros. would be better than most of the acts out there..

 

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  posted on 7/25/2005 at 09:41 AM
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I love Gamblers Roll , Eygpt and Illness as songs but all 3 in the same set at a summer outdoor show is definatly a bit much for the casual fan to handle.


I really love it when they DON'T play for the "casual" fan. The more diverse the better for most of us. Maybe they just like to reward the hard-core fans sometimes with a cooler, different setlist. Why shouldn't "we" - the fans that keep going back - get what we want sometimes? Those casual fans that sit down and (((yawn))) all night wouldn't be energetic no matter what was played so who cares... ...These people wouldn't even know who Duane and Berry were if they fell on them so let 'em sit there and be bored if they choose...and we'll just keep dancin'!


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  posted on 7/25/2005 at 09:42 AM
hugh duty....i totally agree.....it's hard to catch a brothers show that isn't freaking above average.....but this was dismal.....One Way Out with the Campbell brothers was freaking great...the highlight for sure next to Egypt

 

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  posted on 7/25/2005 at 10:26 AM
1st off sorry I didn't meet anyone from here before the show, we got there shortly before Gavin.

Vern-oh, this was my friend's 2nd ABB show and his experience was similar to yours, although you're the first person I've heard say anything about Warren not being with it.

As far as the seated crowd goes.... In this venue under the shell, the staff have a long history of running over to standing people and making them sit down until everyone finally stands up. I saw them do it a few times on Friday also. Maybe that has something to do with it. I'll admit I was sitting down most of the show because everyone in front of and behind me was sitting. Standing when everyone is sitting can mean having stuff thrown at you, I found that out at Great Woods for one of the '96 shows.

All the seated crowd could easily give the band a bad vibe so they're not into it as much either, I don't know. Maybe they play mellower songs when everyone is glued to their seats. I think the crowd & the band were more energetic last time they were there but there are a lot of variables since that was '95. I've got half of that show on cassette by the way. I ought to put it onto CD some day, no one has a copy listed in the database. Also have an audience recording of 8/20/94 that's on your ISO list that I need to convert from cassette to CD. Remember the downpour that night? Wow. And that was before they had a roof.

Feel the same as you do about the drum solo. I don't care who's playing them, they're boring for me after 20 seconds. And this was a long one for sure. Bass solos are a lot better for me, though.

Overall, it was enjoyable for me but it definitely wasn't one of my favorite shows either. Seen better Instant Lives also, Illness jam is split between the 2nd and 3rd discs. If they had let disc 2 go 2 minutes longer it would've been perfect. Plus the town is spelled wrong on the sticker on the case.

Till next time...
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  posted on 7/25/2005 at 10:27 AM
I agree Eddie . I just think lack luster crowds from time to time are caused by them being clueless. The rabid fans like us who post here are a very small minority of the crowd. I'm surprised after all these years, the casual fans still have no clue what's going on most of the time. Even in ABB Strongholds like NY, the Jones Beach crowd can be surprising lame some years.

I remember Dickey asking if anyone was out there once after a smoking Statesboro.

Just an observation. I'd take Gambler's Roll over Midnight Rider any day.

 

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  posted on 7/25/2005 at 11:02 AM
I remeber the down pour at 8/20/94....what a day that was.....I remember people screwing on the ground behind the portapotties in the rain.....I'm still haunted by this vision......I remember losing the keys to the rental car....the security guy who found them for me....the same one who asked me I needed a parmedic after laying in my own puke for a while.....those were the days......would love it on disc it you get around to converting it

I was also wickedly pissed about the Instant Live tracking thing....WTF

I don't mean to sound like a constant complainer, but this was disasterous.....this was as bad as the Dead in the Summer of 1995

 

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  posted on 7/25/2005 at 12:59 PM
I have to say, I thought the selt list was outstanding. I don't recall ever hearing Stormy Monday or Gambler's Roll live before. I also thought Egypt was outstanding. I disagree about the drum solo. I thought it was very good. Perhaps a bit long but not pointless like some drum solos I've heard. I also really enjoyed that little slide ditty Waren played solo for a few minutes before Derek joined in, VERY COOL!
 

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  posted on 7/25/2005 at 03:30 PM
I thought the setlist and the band were excellent. We had great seats!! 17 rows back, just right of center. Friday Night!! Before the show started, I asked some people around us if they planned to stand during the show. Mostly got blank stares!! As I stood a few times during show, enjoying myself, I would look around and see that I was the only one on my feet. How do you sit down during Done Somebody Wrong and Every Hungry Woman?? I thought as the show goes on poeple will get into it and liven up........but it never happened. I found myself angry and telling my girlfriend that these people didn't deserve to be at this show...LOL. Last year at the Syracuse show the crowd was amazing. Anyways , I have 5th row seats to the Toronto show, so I can only hope it makes up for this.

 

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  posted on 7/25/2005 at 09:21 PM
Well, well, well..we all cant have our cake , etc......us older folks are really sorry to ruin your dance party, I am one of the folks who sat in the seats under the shell, 1st of all, one poster said it right, personell does ask people to sit when they are in the seats, as it has been done for some time now here, and also I believe in other PAC`s...Spac etc, if ya wanna boogie, use the lawn, yes its fun to move right in front, but the Geritol crowd paid to sit, we did all our dancin in the streets before you were born, I.E. Watkins Glen, after a long hiatus of not seeing the Bros, I saw 3 shows this year at the Beacon, stood from beginning note to the end, and loved it!!1 The atmosphere at the Beacon is a lot different then the PAC`s, people should be allowed to buy a ticket and enjoy the bands they love like the Bros, some of the older crowd who paved the way for the younger crowd cant stand all night, why make them???? The 4 older folks I was with love the Bros, but are not able to stand all night, I would have, but I would have looked like a stiff soldier on a ship of fools, .....I did stand for all of One Way Out and Post, loved em! So if ya wanna dance, do it, but respect those who cant! the sitters respect those who wanna boogie, we are all Brothers fans, not people in the crowd who have no clue!!!!! We were at Bros shows before your parents even thought about having sex!! And as for who was hot and who was not, thats all in the eye of the beholder, I would like to see the critizers get up there and play, and then have someone say "that guy was off tonight, or he couldnt hold the show together" GIVE ME A BREAK, enjoy it for what you got man!!
Peace, love
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  posted on 7/26/2005 at 02:37 AM
I was there too. I was taping in the 19th row (big mics with the black furry covers). I thought the show was excellent. Period. Gavin did alright on Midnight Rider. Campbell Brothers were a wonderful addition to the show. An "off-night"? What? Where? ABB? C'mon.

I get off on the band's music, not the crowd. There could have been 2,500 cardboard figures around me, and I would still be diggin' the music. The music. Period.

 

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  posted on 7/26/2005 at 08:12 AM
Wow....seats are for sitting.....now it makes sense to me

I wasn't under the shell I was on the lawn...and it was the same thing...no crowd interaction.

Tell me this....if you were on stage pouring your heart out every night....wouldn't you want some sort of response from the crowd......This is a band that jams (If I may quote Gregg)....I have no problem with older people sitting in their seats.....I do have a problem with people just constantly talking and ignoring the show.....Poor crowd response= poor band feedback......If you are that compelled to sit in your seat and talk and not pay attention to the paid entertainment....there is a great DVD out of the Allmans at the Beacon......buy it and stay home....I made no mention of old people sitting in their seats...I stated the crowd in general was not into grooving with the band...and have seen more enthusiasum at a retirement home. I guess if the Allmans only play FLPAC every 10 years.....I would think the fans would show more excitiment when they come to town.....I guess I know why they don't stop here more often.

As for the review.....I merely stated what I saw and encountered......the first 3 songs are in the toilet!!!

HIGHLIGHTS:
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One Way Out

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  posted on 7/26/2005 at 08:15 AM
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Well, well, well..we all cant have our cake , etc......us older folks are really sorry to ruin your dance party, I am one of the folks who sat in the seats under the shell, 1st of all, one poster said it right, personell does ask people to sit when they are in the seats, as it has been done for some time now here, and also I believe in other PAC`s...Spac etc, if ya wanna boogie, use the lawn, yes its fun to move right in front, but the Geritol crowd paid to sit, we did all our dancin in the streets before you were born, I.E. Watkins Glen, after a long hiatus of not seeing the Bros, I saw 3 shows this year at the Beacon, stood from beginning note to the end, and loved it!!1 The atmosphere at the Beacon is a lot different then the PAC`s, people should be allowed to buy a ticket and enjoy the bands they love like the Bros, some of the older crowd who paved the way for the younger crowd cant stand all night, why make them???? The 4 older folks I was with love the Bros, but are not able to stand all night, I would have, but I would have looked like a stiff soldier on a ship of fools, .....I did stand for all of One Way Out and Post, loved em! So if ya wanna dance, do it, but respect those who cant! the sitters respect those who wanna boogie, we are all Brothers fans, not people in the crowd who have no clue!!!!! We were at Bros shows before your parents even thought about having sex!! And as for who was hot and who was not, thats all in the eye of the beholder, I would like to see the critizers get up there and play, and then have someone say "that guy was off tonight, or he couldnt hold the show together" GIVE ME A BREAK, enjoy it for what you got man!!
Peace, love
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CityMule, where in upstae, New York do you hail from? I'm from Lowville, NY. About an hour north of Utica. By the way, I'm 36 years old, the second youngest of seven children, and my parents where having sex before you were born.....just kidding, my friend. I've never really cared about the crowds at any concert. I go to enjoy the music, not the crowd. The folks around myself and Smattermonnat were enjoying the show whether they were standing or sitting. I 've never understood the whole issue of standing or sitting. I sit and stand. I too, can't stand up for a whole show, nor do I want to.

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  posted on 7/26/2005 at 09:28 AM
bang bang bang bang.....the sound of my head hitting a wall

Nothing left to do but smile smile smile!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

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  posted on 7/26/2005 at 10:18 AM
The standing sitting debate will rage on forever. I like to dance but if no one else is, I sit and move around. LOL.

Listen there were a lot of people at the show I am presuming and I bet most people were fine with the performance. I know because I see a lot of shows I can detect when the performers are not quite at the top, but gee, they are people and they are allowed to be a little off if that happens. It is part of the game, no? Still I am sure few performers give as consistently good performances as the guys in the ABB. And anyway, wasn't the show one of the last before they take a break for a few weeks? They've been on the road and I bet they were tired and ready for the break.

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  posted on 7/26/2005 at 11:45 AM
And here is the last word........that reply was not meant to point a finger nor criticize anyone....people talking at shows sucks period, amongst yourselves quietly, ok....between songs away from tapers, ok......we all enjoy the show one way or another, Jerry Garcia once said "somewhere, sonetime, you will be at a show, liking the music or not, and we will hit one note that sets you off, the note to your soul"
that is not a lie, Jerry really did say that, and I try and remember that every time I go to a show, somewhere during a Warren solo, or Derek solo, or Gregg, etc...they will hit that familiar note, and I will remember it,

thats what brings us back!!!!!

Back where it all began!!

Peace, love, fellow bro`s,


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  posted on 7/26/2005 at 05:00 PM
Jerry Garcia once said "somewhere, sometime, you will be at a show, liking the music or not, and we will hit one note that sets you off, the note to your soul"


I love that.

 

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  posted on 7/27/2005 at 06:25 AM
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Jerry Garcia once said "somewhere, sometime, you will be at a show, liking the music or not, and we will hit one note that sets you off, the note to your soul"


I love that.


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  posted on 7/27/2005 at 06:58 AM
Jerry had a way with things.....and it holds true.......Remember 8/1 is his Bday and 8/9 was his last day....his memory is everyday.

I'm glad this thread turned around......and is ending on a positive......The Brothers are certainly only human...and whether you chose to stand or sit.....we're all there for one thing.....MUSIC.......THanks Brothers and Sisters......Good vibes....and I hope someone smiles as I am now.....Let there be songs to fill the air!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

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  posted on 7/27/2005 at 08:23 AM
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Jerry had a way with things.....and it holds true.......Remember 8/1 is his Bday and 8/9 was his last day....his memory is everyday.

I'm glad this thread turned around......and is ending on a positive......The Brothers are certainly only human...and whether you chose to stand or sit.....we're all there for one thing.....MUSIC.......THanks Brothers and Sisters......Good vibes....and I hope someone smiles as I am now.....Let there be songs to fill the air!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


I'll second that, Vern-Oh!

 
 


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