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  posted on 7/2/2005 at 07:44 PM
I've always had this date as two seperate shows, an early and late. But after further 007 type investigating, I'm positive that Statesboro Blues, Trouble No More, DKMW, Done Somebody Wrong, OWO, M Rider & IMOER are exact same songs on both the early & late shows, that we trade.
If anyone else has these I'd be real interested in knowing your opinion as well?

These are the set lists that I have.

Early:
SB
TNM
DKMW
DSW
OWO
M Rider
IMOER
YDLM
Revival

Late:
SB
TNM
DKMW
DSW
OWO
M Rider
IMOER
Stormy Monday
MJ


[Edited on 7/3/2005 by ClayPelland]

 
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  posted on 7/2/2005 at 08:09 PM
Hello Clay,

As I posted in Individual Trade Preferences threads, late show I've got have following track lists.
List is not match with your post, also not match with setlist DB section of here....

Disc 1:
1. Statesboro Blues (5:12)
2. Trouble No More (3:53)
3. Don't Keep Me Wonderin' (4:08)
4. Done Somebody Wrong (3:29)
5. One Way Out (5:26)
6. In Memory Of Elizabeth Reed (18:57)
7. Stormy Monday (7:30)

Disc 2:
1. Mountain Jam (41:03)
2. Revival (5:06)

It seems my copy is compilation of early and late show, but I can't find any edit part, and I think all of MC by Duane is included.
I should hear it carefully more and more.
Thank you so much for your information!


[Edited on 7/3/2005 by MasahikoYamaura]

 

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  posted on 7/2/2005 at 08:25 PM
I will listen to what I have I have two versions of the late show, one is one disc and one is two

[Edited on 7/3/2005 by LexABB]

 

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  posted on 7/2/2005 at 08:31 PM
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Hello Clay,

As I posted in Individual Trade Preferences threads, late show I've got have following track lists.
List is not match with your post, also not match with setlist DB section of here....

Disc 1:
1. Statesboro Blues (5:12)
2. Trouble No More (3:53)
3. Don't Keep Me Wonderin' (4:08)
4. Done Somebody Wrong (3:29)
5. One Way Out (5:26)
6. In Memory Of Elizabeth Reed (18:57)
7. Stormy Monday (7:30)

Disc 2:
1. Mountain Jam (41:03)
2. Revival (5:06)

It seems my copy is compilation of early and late show, but I can't find any edit part, and I think all of MC by Duane is included.
I should hear it carefully more and more.
Thank you so much for your information!


[Edited on 7/3/2005 by MasahikoYamaura]

Hi Masahiko,

To me, in relationship to my sources, it's vey obvious that the first 7 songs are the same on both the early and late.

 

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  posted on 7/3/2005 at 10:32 AM
Just a question concening these Central Park shows? Is it true that only AUDs exist for this (these?) shows? I do not have any of these CP shows as of yet. Is the sound pretty poor on these as I have heard?
 

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  posted on 7/3/2005 at 11:53 AM
Hi Clay,
I haven't gotten everything set up since the move, but was interested in this thread. I pulled out the 2 cassettes that I have of this show and upon a quick listen to the beginning of ER it sounds to me like a different version. One other thing I hear is a person in the aud. coughing before the start of ER on my late set. I should have the stereo set up in the next couple of days then I can really go through these. Here is the set order I have;

Early show
SB
TNM
DKMW
DSW
OWO
MR
IMOER
YDLM
Revival

Late show

IMOER
MJ
Stormy Monday
Revival

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  posted on 7/3/2005 at 05:32 PM
Clay, Sal and everybody else, thanks for picking up on this. I suspect from what info is coming in that Sal may hold the key to this . . . looks like the early show was a complete recording and the late show only a partial that somebody has thickened up by adding tracks from the early show. Please keep investigating guys . . . I am intrigued

 

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  posted on 7/3/2005 at 06:06 PM
I agree Colin. I think what Sal has stated is closer to the real thing than anything else.
 

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  posted on 7/4/2005 at 10:23 AM
Clay,

Hope all is well down in Santolina.

I believe Sal does have the most accurate copy of the later show. The shows may have been combined during the tape>cdr process, creating a bogus full show. Maybe there was a dubious one during the analog age?

Too bad the later show is only a partial, b/c going from memory, things got heated on that particluar one.

 

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  posted on 7/4/2005 at 12:15 PM
Is it possible that they are 2 shows? The 1st is 75 min and the 2nd is 70 min. Maybe there was a curfew in the park. I always felt that they left the jam songs for the late crowd.

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  posted on 7/5/2005 at 08:29 AM
That could be the answer Sal, and had this been from early 1970 when they played shorter sets, such as when they opened for the Dead, then that might well have been the case, although from this era one would normally expect a slightly longer set.

Seems to me, regardless of whether this is a partial or the full set, we need to isolate the true late show tracks and get them out there in their own right so as to stop the bogus show circulating. I was wondering whether Skip and Sal might be prepared to work from Sals tape if that proves to be the definitive source? Sorry if I am being too forward.

Furthermore, I have a 1 disc version of each of these shows on the way to me from a source over here in the UK, when I get them I will analyse them and let you know what I have.

 

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  posted on 7/5/2005 at 07:39 PM
I've listened to my source carefully again and noticed some points.
Original source is a little bit poor quality in sounds, so I applied graphic equalizer to hear it in detail.

1. There are audience coughing before start of Liz Reed as Sal posted.
2. First disc is not conisits of multi show.
3. Stormy Monday is incomplete and end at among Dickey's solo.
4. Second disc seems differnt show from first disc or to say recorded by different taper.

I hope this will be some info to analyze the source from this date.

By the way, this Liz Reed is so awesome play, don't you think?
I feel Dickey's solo of this Liz Reed is one of his best, so great!
Also, Duane's solo on all over this show is so fantastic and exciting so much!

 

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  posted on 7/12/2005 at 06:36 PM
I received my copies of the alleged early and late shows today and have been listening intently to both. My conclusion is that neither of them are completely genuine shows, but there are probably elements of both shows in there. The set lists for the two shows as supplied to me are as follows:

EARLY SHOW

1 Tuning > Intro to ABB > Statesboro Blues > (4:58)
2 Trouble No More > (3:54)
3 Don't Keep Me Wonderin' > (3:38)
Between tracks 3 & 4 Duane says "Nice to be outside, nice weather" leading me to be happy that this is from the Early Show.
4 Done Somebody Wrong > (3:50)
5 One Way Out > (4:56)
6 * Tuning > Midnight Rider // cut at 3:26 // crowd w/ coughing > (3:55)
7 In Memory Of Elizabeth Reed > (18:34)
8 Stormy Monday > Start of Mntn Jam // cut (8:09)

I have used > to indicate apparent continuity between tracks
* = slight volume change - possible splice ?

LATE SHOW

1 Intro to ABB > Hot 'Lanta // cut (6:45) - Grade B & appears to be different source to the rest of the tracks . . . maybe it was from the show, but there is no continuity to back that up.
2 One Way Out // cut (4:56) - exactly same version as on Early Show above.
3 // In Memory Of Elizabeth Reed (18:26) >
The cut in at the start comes after where the audience coughing would have been but I still think this is the exact same version as on my copy of the Early Show above.
4 Stormy Monday > (8:23)
5 Mountain Jam >
6 Band Introductions > Revival (5:21)

My theory is that tracks 1 to 6 on my version of the Early Show are genuine and that I am missing a different version of Liz Reed (if it exists) and You Don't Love Me and Revival (assuming that these did conclude the Early Show as per Clay's track listing) from the Early show. I also think that the Liz Reed from my version of the Early Show combined with tracks 4 to 6 inclusive from my version of the Late Show may well be what there is to be had of the actual Late Show.

Please keep investigating this guys, these shows are actually very good and it would be nice to put out there at least what we believe to be the truth . . . and if in the interim anybody would be willing to B&P me a complete copy of the Early Show that is currently considered to be genuine I would be very grateful.

Sleuth work done for the night . . . time for a cold beer then bed!


[Edited on 7/12/2005 by harvey]

 

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  posted on 7/13/2005 at 12:29 PM
I'm going to go through my copies today and transfer them to cd. I'll let you know what I come up with on my copies.

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  posted on 7/13/2005 at 02:06 PM
I just finished transfering the first set and can tell you for a fact that there was a second set. At the end of Revival, which was the encore, the announce says that there are about 5000 brothers and sisters waiting to get in. So we know for sure that there were 2 sets. It's off to transfer whats called the second set. Back to you in about an hour.
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  posted on 7/13/2005 at 05:04 PM
Well 3 hours latter here is what I've come up with. 2nd Set. Liz Reed is a different version than on the 1st set. Revival is a repeat from the 1st set. Let try to get this to make sense. I have 2 cassettes of this show. One marked 1st set and one marked 2nd set. They are;

1st Set
SB
TNM
DKMW
DSW
OWO
MR
ER
YDLM
Revival

2nd set
ER - different version
MJ
SM
Revival - same as first set.

So there you go. I don't know if this helps anyone, but it might eliminate some of the confusion.

I'll be offering this up shortly.
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[Edited on 7/13/2005 by salcapitano]

 

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  posted on 7/13/2005 at 05:07 PM
Thanks Sal!
 

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  posted on 7/13/2005 at 05:44 PM
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Thanks Sal!


INDEED!!! . . . thank you for taking the time Sal, it is very much appreciated.

If the Revival at the end of the late show is definitely a repeat of the one on the early show, and by what you said earlier with the announcers comments at the end of the show there can be no doubt that it is from the early show, then perhaps it should be cut from your version of the late show so that for the sake of integrity the late show is seen to comprise only of the different Elizabeth Reed / Mountain Jam / Stormy Monday. A short, possibly partial, show maybe, but at least potentially correct. Something the bootleggers would never have lived with, hence all the various additions on the different versions out there.

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  posted on 7/13/2005 at 05:47 PM
are these two seperate shows or just one full early show and an incomplete 2nd late show?

 

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  posted on 7/13/2005 at 05:50 PM
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are these two seperate shows or just one full early show and an incomplete 2nd late show?


It would appear to be the complete early show and a partial late show.

 

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  posted on 7/13/2005 at 06:03 PM
PS . . . sleepytime time for this little english boy . . . look forward to catching up at breakfast

 

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  posted on 7/13/2005 at 06:43 PM
I just listened to Revival again and again and it is a different version, so I'll keep it on the cd. I stopped the transfer from cassette after Stormy Monday because I wasn't 100% sure about Revival, but I am now. It's done and I'll be offering both shows up on another thread. Stay tuned.

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  posted on 7/15/2005 at 09:56 PM
I've got both early and late shows copies from Clay and compared with my own late show.
Just as Clay posted, Statesboro Blues to Midnight Rider of both his early and late show are obviously same.
Only difference is the tape speed of both shows.
My copy of first 5 songs were not same as above ones and are very natural in song changes, also there are claping hands and stamping feet sounds near of taper through most of the songs.

Liz Reed is not same with early and late show each other, and his late show's one is just as same as mine.
Also Stormy Monday and Mountain Jam are from same source as mine, and my Stormy Monday is incomplete but Clay's one is complete, my MJ is complete but Clay's one is not.

By post of harvey, his received early show is just as almost same as Clay's late show, and I think that songs before Liz Reed are from early show and after Liz Reed are from late show.

Currently most correct set list I think of late show are as follows.
1. Statesboro Blues
2. Trouble No More
3. Don't Keep Me Wonderin'
4. Done Somebody Wrong
5. One Way Out
6. Liz Reed
7. Stormy Monday
8. Mountain Jam
9. Revival

Form the set list section, there are Hot 'Lanta on the list, but from harvey's post, it is very hard to judge that it is really from late show.

By these reasons, I think my copy is almost complete source from late show, and I will combine Clay's Stormy Monday with my copy to make up much more complete show.
When it is made up, I will offer it in trade section.

Also for your information, I found out as my copy is from bootleg "CENTRAL PARK 1971".
Please check this following link.
http://www.abbdiscography.com/blcentralpark1971.htm

Thank you all for their efforts and evaluations.

This is only my opinion, so if you think there are some mistakes, please let me know.

Thanks in advance,
Masahiko,

[Edited on 7/16/2005 by MasahikoYamaura]

 

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  posted on 7/15/2005 at 11:03 PM
Hats off to Sal, Colin & Masahiko! Excellent 007 type investigating!
 

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  posted on 7/15/2005 at 11:24 PM
Clay, when you get a copy of my version compare it with what you have and let me know what is what. This is getting weirder and weirder.

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