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  posted on 5/5/2005 at 09:50 AM
i have several of the instant live recordings of the allmans and some of them are excellent....well recorded and very immediate....others are almost dead in comparison....i just purchased the show from 7/26/03 and it is a real disappointment...the setlist is great but you can barely here warren haynes guitar in the right channel and in general the recording sounds distant....as i said i have others that are terrific and dramatically better...i also encountered this with a smithereens concert i bought from instant live....terrible sound...almost unlistenable....my question is why is there so much variance in the shows and is there some way that we can get a rating or review on the sound of the different shows?
 
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  posted on 5/5/2005 at 11:37 AM
The difference in sound between venues has a lot to do with it. Keep in mind this is INSTANT Live, no time for remixing things after the fact to make them sound better. Frankly, I am usually amazed by how good they sound considering the time constraints.

As for your other question, there have been lively debates on this board about which Instant Lives have better sound quality and/or performances. I'm sure the knowledgeable folks on this board will be happy to share their opinions with you, they're good that way!

 
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  posted on 5/5/2005 at 11:47 AM
it is my opinion that most of the time they mix the crowd in a little too much for my taste.... a little more on the SBD side would help bring out the instruments during the times they are low in the mix....

just my opinion... and I still love that they are doing IL's...

actually I would rather have them do it like Mule... but it wouldn't be so widespread as I'm sure they wouldn't be allowed at the CC venues (or union venues for that matter)... the mule tracks have a much better blend...

 

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  posted on 5/5/2005 at 11:50 AM
Rosemont's show from '04 was one of the best performances of the year, on a par with the Fox shows, but the sound on the IL was defintely substandard, mostly due to the fact that it was the first time playing The Rosemont Theater, but also because of this **** who whistled throughout the ENTIRE show. I have played it for people who thought it was unlistenable because of this jerk's pathetic need to ruin the concert going experience for everyone around him, not to mention the ILs. It's too bad you can't get people like this kicked out of the theater. People paying upwards of $75 a ticket deeserve better-as do those who pay for the ILs.

Thankfully marco got an outstanding recording of the show and edited out most of the white noise.

Sadly the dialogue from the woman who was sceaming "Eff you" to the person in her seat was edited out too. It's on the IL, though, and as Layton said, is very entertaining. That show is worth picking up just for that spirited discussion. LOL

 

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  posted on 5/5/2005 at 11:57 AM
See my thread about the Karl Denson CD I bought last night.

BTW there's a recording by Bill Pafford (what happened to him?) of that 7/26/03 show that just blows the IL away IMO

 

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  posted on 5/5/2005 at 12:00 PM
I almost started a thread about the Rosemont IL versus Marco's recording...the IL whistler and the woman with the potty mouth and the overall sound quality makes this particular IL less enjoyable than Marco's recording...

In general though, the Instant Lives are pretty nice...although i do agree a little less crowd in the mix would be better for my ears...

 
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  posted on 5/5/2005 at 12:20 PM
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I almost started a thread about the Rosemont IL versus Marco's recording...the IL whistler and the woman with the potty mouth and the overall sound quality makes this particular IL less enjoyable than Marco's recording...

In general though, the Instant Lives are pretty nice...although i do agree a little less crowd in the mix would be better for my ears...


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  posted on 5/5/2005 at 05:05 PM
9/24 Friday Fox - AWFUL RECORDING

All Instant Lives - AWFUL TRACKING

 

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  posted on 5/5/2005 at 05:35 PM
I am really glad this came up, because I've been afraid to post any comments fearing that people would hound me for being negative or complaining when I should be grateful. So let me start by saying, I am extremely grateful for INSTANT LIVE and I don't mean any of this as complaining, just as observations. I bought every single show from the tour and was dissapointed in the sound on the above mentioned shows and a couple others. - I'm a taper and I prefer soundboards, probably because I can do the audience portion myself! Basically some of them have way too much audience for my taste. Particularly that Rosemont show, because the sound (from my seat) at the show was impeccable, so it was a little disappointing hearing the show with not-as-good sound afterwards. (And the whistling, which is a huge pet peave to my sensitive ears.) Anyway, it seems like the majority of the 03 shows and the August 04 shows have a superb soundboard mix, with the audience being more of a background for ambience, just like a regular professionally mixed live album. I love that sound and will gladly buy every show that sounds that good. - There are others from September/October 04 that are very good too. But what seems to suffer from the lopsided mix is Gregg's vocals & the bass. - Again, I do not regret buying any of the shows and will continue to purchase every damn ABB show I can get my hands on. I was just taken aback a bit, because as I said the 03 shows were near-perfect. - I certainly understand the fact that these are INSTANT and we are going to get whatever they get at the time. I'm not objecting.

Does anyone know if they are still digitally multi-tracking every night?

Also, does anyone want to do a trade for that audience of the 9/1 Rosemont show? I have only hear the IL and I'd LOVE to hear the difference!

 

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  posted on 5/5/2005 at 10:00 PM
Any input is good input - thanks for speaking your opinion!

Instant Live is an ever evolving product and hopefully is getting better all the time.

In a large venue sometimes you get the sweet spot, sometimes not. I trust Slim's (the ABB's soundman) ears and he really cares about creating a good product. He also works with the IL folks who are a part of the recording process...so its a group effort.

Hiigher or lower audience input is a matter of taste and I'm sure there will be opinions no matter what the setting is.

That Rosemont show was one for the ages!!

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  posted on 5/5/2005 at 10:11 PM
Joe, hope it didn't sound like I was slamming the product. Instant Lives are the best thing to happen to ABB fans in years.

You know me (to quote Ralph Kramden) I gotta BIG mouth!

 

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  posted on 5/5/2005 at 10:48 PM
As I posted in another thread the Karl Denson Vibe Alive disc I bought at the show last night has amazing sound.

 

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  posted on 5/6/2005 at 07:19 AM
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All Instant Lives - AWFUL TRACKING


how so? The ones I have start where theyre supposed to.

Except the one that split Mountain Jam up...but that was an early mishap, and hasnt happened since.

 

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  posted on 5/6/2005 at 11:05 PM
I'm very happy that we have IL shows available and I've purchased a lot of them. However I think the 03 shows generally sound better than the 04 shows I've heard. I'm a bass player so I love to listen to Oteil and the bass on the 03 shows is tight and punchy and sits well in the mix. On some of the 04 shows, like the incredibly played Fox shows, the bass is too boomy and indistinct. Also to my ears the vocals sometimes sound a little muddy on some of the 04 shows. That said I'll still be buying as many 05 shows as I can.

 

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  posted on 5/7/2005 at 06:27 AM
Wasn't there an iinterview or review with Slim about what he tries to do with the mix when it's going to be recorded for IL?

Anyway - while the Rosemont shows isn't the best sound wise, I guess I should say that some of the others from 2004 sound real good - like Jones Beach for example.

 
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  posted on 5/7/2005 at 06:39 AM
...and I would hope that Slim's main concern is the front-of-house sound with the ILs a secondary matter. He's got a lot to worry about! I can't afford to go to as many shows as I used to, but the ones I have attended have sounded great in the venue.

I especially liked the Charlotte and Raleigh 2003 ILs because of how tight and punchy Oteil's bass was. But then, I kind of focus on the bass for some reason...

I agree that some of the tracking choices are spotty, but they're doing it one the fly as it happens. I don't know if I'd do much better...

 

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  posted on 5/7/2005 at 09:19 AM
I had the opportunity to speak with the Instant Live sound engineer at Wanee and during our conversation we talked about the way the ILs are mixed....the soundboard mix is fed to him in his van where he has all of his equipment...he then has a delay before it is burned onto cd so that he can then make tweaks to it before it is burned....this is all done very quickly and is a one shot deal for him...

I'm not complaining about quality of the sound because I am so thankful to receive an excellent product compared to some taper recordings(before you get your panties in a wad, I am not talking about any of our tapers...I am not even referring to an ABB taper but a stealth taper that will not position themselves to get a good recording.)

 

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  posted on 5/7/2005 at 02:02 PM
Tracking comment explained:

I've spent countless hours transferring DAT to cd (usually 2-3 hours of work for every hour of music). Literally closing my eyes with my finger on the tracking button, or splitting tracks to the hundredth of a second with software, I've put in the effort - gladly.

To be at an Allman show and having the advantage of actually viewing what the band is doing, I see little excuse for hitting the track button the second a song ends. The Allman's don't share many of the transitional attributes found in the Phish and Grateful Dead shows I've tracked - they are more predictable - no complaints, it 'is what it is'.

Therefore, when I can actually see that the band members are walking around between songs, tuning, conversing, etc., and return to their respective stage positions before initiating another 'mind-blower' - how could I not expect better tracking.

...it seems that I have to fast forward my Instant Lives an average of 1.5 minutes per track to get to the beginning of the song.

The core value of Instant Lives is Instant Gratification. I appreciate those in the organization (JNB) that respect that my criticism is constructional and intent is pure.

 

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  posted on 5/7/2005 at 04:50 PM
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Tracking comment explained:

I've spent countless hours transferring DAT to cd (usually 2-3 hours of work for every hour of music). Literally closing my eyes with my finger on the tracking button, or splitting tracks to the hundredth of a second with software, I've put in the effort - gladly.

To be at an Allman show and having the advantage of actually viewing what the band is doing, I see little excuse for hitting the track button the second a song ends. The Allman's don't share many of the transitional attributes found in the Phish and Grateful Dead shows I've tracked - they are more predictable - no complaints, it 'is what it is'.

Therefore, when I can actually see that the band members are walking around between songs, tuning, conversing, etc., and return to their respective stage positions before initiating another 'mind-blower' - how could I not expect better tracking.

...it seems that I have to fast forward my Instant Lives an average of 1.5 minutes per track to get to the beginning of the song.

The core value of Instant Lives is Instant Gratification. I appreciate those in the organization (JNB) that respect that my criticism is constructional and intent is pure.


really? how many of the shows that you have are like that? None of the ones I have, are anything but tracked perfectly fine....I would imagine theyre not sitting there with their finger on the track button...you can do that afterwards, as I understand.

Perhaps the ones that are sold right away and the ones that are sold on KidGlove are different in that they had a little more time with the production run of aftermarket ones?

 

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  posted on 5/7/2005 at 09:59 PM
wow ya'll some serious listeners I have them all and never noticed a thing or a flaw and enjoyed them all. I don't usually search for a song just listen to the show in its entirety so if a song starts 1.30 secs into a track thats not a concern unless there is silence or a TAO type silence.

Now I have to pull out that rosemont and spin it again to see if i can hear da bitch lol.

[Edited on 5/8/2005 by phillybob]

 

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