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Author: Subject: FYI Concerning 1/30/71 Fillmore West

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  posted on 9/20/2002 at 05:38 PM
I'm not positive about anything other than death & taxes, but I would be willing to bet ya anything that this show is actually 1/31/71 if the set list is as follows:
Trouble No More
Liz Reed
M. Rider
Hoochie Coochie Man
Dreams
Hot Lanta
W. Post
Statesboro Blues
My main reason for saying this is that if you listen right before Hot Lanta, Duane says something to the effect that they wrote this song about their city and might just write one about yours....And it's hard for me to believe that Duane said those words in perfect phrase two nights in a row ...Plus, i've never known them to close a show with Statesboro Blues back in the day....What really sucks is that the person who arranged this to gain a date in order to trade left off a killer version of You Don't Love Me and Don't Keep Me Wonderin....
If anyone has any insight to this, I would love to know more....

 
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  posted on 9/20/2002 at 05:50 PM
While we're on the subject....
I got several shows today,two of them were 3/13/70 at the Warehouse and 3/20/70 at the Aragon. They are the same tape just the 3/20 has all the dialogue cut out (which is a shame because its hilarious, this is the one where Duane and BO introduce Liz Reed as "Ive got peanut butter caught in my pubic hair") but i did find a few things like what Clay was talkin about in the 1/31 show, like somebody laughin while they count off some song, anyway, i think it is actually from 3/13/70 though, anyway, if you have those two shows you might want to check it out.

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  posted on 9/20/2002 at 05:54 PM
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Well, I have a disc put out by Asteriod called "At Fillmore West [1971.1.30]" which I picked up about 10 years or so ago. It has that same set list you cite, with SB listed as incomplete. So even if the date is wrong, might the SB be the first tune from the second show?


But anyway I did an A and B test with another show that is longer like you said, and they are the same Hot Lanta.....so, it would appear that someone might be passing it off. Was there any shows taped on the 28th-30th?

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  posted on 9/20/2002 at 07:03 PM
So is there actually a legit 3/20/70 in circulation, it has a setlist in the ABB base (but it is the same as 3/13/70) and lots people listed for it...

 

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  posted on 9/20/2002 at 07:23 PM
Time to get the Capt. involved....
 

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  posted on 9/20/2002 at 08:15 PM
Ive noticed in my trading that 1/31/71 and 1/30/71 are traded frequently but the show is really the last show of that run 1/31/71. The WP and YDLM on 1/30/71 are different cause i have em. There is also a 1/28/71 which is a pretty nifty show in itself and will probably be a remaster candidate sometime in 2003. There are full copies of 3/20/71 Warehouse NOLA show in the trade winds. I have it as a 3 disc show and plan to master discs 1 and 2 when I get some time. The disc 3 I finished already and is the 44 minute Mnt jam and has been offered in these forums and GBs. The Aragon show and the Boston Tea Party are shows that I have repeatedly traded for and have received shows which are other vintage ABB shows or a combination of abb shows representing these 2 venues. In my expreience they have turned out to be bogus. I have always tried to alert a trader of this when I happen to recieve a mis labeled show and most traders do the right thing and correct thier list. I have also noticed some traders that'll leave it on thier trade lists uncorrected which leads me to believe that theyve seen that its good "trade bait" to suck in a trader, theyre too damn lazy to fix it or they just dont give a rats a$$ about thier brother and sister traders, aint that right Nick on etree!!!!!
 
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  posted on 9/20/2002 at 08:19 PM
I knew he'd know , Thanks Skip!!
 

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  posted on 9/20/2002 at 10:26 PM
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3/20/70-- Aragon is usually material from another date, and usually an edited version of 3/13/70, and the songs are rearranged.



the songs are not even rearranged on mine, the only differences, DWYNM>INMCTB are one long track, mountain jam track starts a little later, and dialogue is removed, not tryin to be picky, but just felt like postin i guess

 

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  posted on 9/20/2002 at 10:52 PM
Hey MtnJam217, you aint being picky, this is a real problem, we end up getting burned or worse even, end up getting embarresed by someone we don't know, that does know, that the show is a foney....Worse even like Skip said, when you contact the person you got it from and they don't delete it from their trade list....I'm just glad we have someone like Skip that does know the facts, and that he is generous with the info.....
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  posted on 9/20/2002 at 11:05 PM
I think the problem originated before trading go so popular online. Now that it is extremely easy to trade online, responsible traders are now pointing out those dubious dates, edited curios, etc.

The shows that are edited completely of dialogue, if they are not taken from another source that is popular, some of those shows may remain a mystery. I have an 80's abb show that was on the King Biscuit Flower Hour. It has an exceptional version of Whipping Post. It also has some chopped songs, but I cannot date it. I also have a partial, and fade out between tracks, 1989 show. It is impossible for me to date either show right now.

I think that now that this is all so modern, with the data bases at the touch of a finger, various skilled people with knowledge of tapes, I think the situation will only get better.

However, there are still those people who keep questionable dates on their lists. I know one guy who has a huge backlog of shows to listen to. He has one of those shows. I know of another guy who also has a show listed twice, two dates for Milwaukee in 1970. Only one seems to be a verified show, but I couldn't get feedback from his about the show.

 

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  posted on 9/20/2002 at 11:22 PM
Great topic ...

I got burned on that Boston Tea party show too. Sent it out in a trade to a peachhead in Germany who thought I was sending him the "holy grail" of ABB shows. Needless to say it sucked big-time when he pointed out that it was another show all together.

He was very cool about it but I felt like an a**.

It's been said before, there are only so many Duane era shows out there. Anything "new" needs to be looked at very closely.


 

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  posted on 9/20/2002 at 11:41 PM
This is from the database.

This is what comes up under SUNY, or State of New York, Stony Brook, Stony Brook, New York.


Most of these shows did not survive as tapes. I do not think there is a 10/23/70. I know a guy right now "John Doe" who has this on his list. It is the same as 7/26/70, but I can't get him to change the date, drop the show as being 10/23/70.



THESE TAPES SURELY EXIST.
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4/28/70 (Tue)
Allman Brothers Band SUNY Stony Brook
Stony Brook, New York

7/26/70 (Sun)
Allman Brothers Band SUNY Stony Brook
Stony Brook, New York

9/19/71 (Sun)
Allman Brothers Band SUNY Stony Brook
Stony Brook, New York


THIS TAPE MAY EXIST.
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May 7, 1980 (Wed)
Allman Brothers Band SUNY Stony Brook
Stony Brook, New York




I DOUBT THESE TAPES EXIST
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6/10/70 (Fri)
Allman Brothers Band SUNY Stony Brook
Stony Brook, New York

7/10/70 (Fri)
Allman Brothers Band SUNY Stony Brook
Stony Brook, New York

10/23/70 (Fri)
Allman Brothers Band SUNY Stony Brook
Stony Brook, New York.
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  posted on 9/21/2002 at 12:04 AM
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It's been said before, there are only so many Duane era shows out there. Anything "new" needs to be looked at very closely.

I've been told by a couple of guys who know, that there are 50-60 ligit Duane era shows....?? how many there are under the big house locked away with only Kirk having the key........


 

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  posted on 9/21/2002 at 06:35 AM
Howdy all

Clay, Skipper, or JCB, I noticed that the Tea Party show setlist in Boston is/was not listed in the database. So what is the actual date and the most approximate setlist. I got one of the discs but could not verify, thought the source seemed solid.

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  posted on 9/21/2002 at 08:43 PM
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I DOUBT THESE TAPES EXIST
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6/10/70 (Fri)
Allman Brothers Band SUNY Stony Brook
Stony Brook, New York

7/10/70 (Fri)
Allman Brothers Band SUNY Stony Brook
Stony Brook, New York

10/23/70 (Fri)
Allman Brothers Band SUNY Stony Brook
Stony Brook, New York.
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[Edited on 9/21/2002 by SouthernMan]


Hey Southernman,
I got the 10/23/70 show in the same trade as the 3/20/70 and 3/13/70 shows. Anyway, it sounds legit to me. The setlist and songs match the time period. There is a You Don't Love Me with no jam at the end (that seems right, they would have still been workin on that one. Well, heres the setlist
DKMW
Stormy Monday
Liz Reed
YDLM
Dreams
MJ
The sound quality is really good, almost too good for that era, anyway, i guess i was just wonderin what your reasoning was on sayin it probly didnt exist.


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  posted on 9/21/2002 at 09:18 PM
oh, the 10/23 is the only one i have of those three

 

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  posted on 9/21/2002 at 09:28 PM
I have another question, this one concerning the 1/20/70 show,
The first three songs on my copy sound good but the Dreams is questionable.
Heres why I say so:

-All the notes say gregg was sick and Berry did all vocals. Mine is clearly Greg singing. However, some people do clain Berry sings it on theirs
-This version of the song is like 11 minutes or something, some of the riffs and things they do sound like the songs after it "evolved" a little bit, i dont have any other dreams from 70 that are that long. This version sounds more likely to be played around 1/71 rather than 1/70.

This just didnt seen right to me...anyone know?

 

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  posted on 9/21/2002 at 09:50 PM
Hey Carlos,

I believe the date of the Tea Party show I had was 11/19/70. I tossed the disc when I realized it was a fake, can't remember the exact setlist.

 

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  posted on 9/22/2002 at 12:17 AM
As JCB said, great fr**kin topic!! Thanks for getting this started Clay and to those who contributed up to this point. I've traded for a few questionable shows as well, all but one of which have been discussed. Here they are:

3/20/70 - Aragon
10/23/70 - Suny
11/13/70 - Ludlow - "Return to Ludlow" boot
11/19/70 - Boston Tea Party


So, are we in agreement then that:

3/20/70 is the same as 3/13/70
10/23/70 is the same as 7/26/70
11/19/70, Boston, bogus, but not sure of the actual date


Anyone have any comments on the 11/13/70 show? Skip? When I listened to it, I knew I'd heard some of the b/t song chatter elsewhere, as well as some of the same solos. Anyone else have this one?


Let's keep this going.

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  posted on 9/22/2002 at 12:53 AM
I have gotten most of these shows and it seems that 5/2/70 Swarthmore , the Ludlow garage commercial release, 3/13/70, 3/20/71 and 6/27/71 are shows that are "interchanged " and chosen from the most to fill up the setlists for the bogus/mislabeled shows. I have gotten variations on all those mentioned (ARAGON, Boston Tea Party) The 10/23/70 is usually a straight copy of 7/26/70 Stonybrook and I take it as a mislabel. The other ones however are something that someone somewhere along the line has gone to at least some effort to produce a bogus listing. One other show that sometimes surfaces is the 9/11/71 Clemson show which is sometimes mislabled as the Painters Mill show from Maryland which was Duane Allmans very last show (but it was not recorded) so this is another bogus listing to watch for and correct if possible. A 10/70 Whiskey A go go show also is in cirrculation which is really just a few cuts from 3/20/71. Its difficult to catch all these if you dont have the other shows to reference back to and compare, so in turn compounds the problem with new traders unfamiliar with the shows. More communication is the best solution. If a trader has doubts on something he/she receives in a trade then post a query and Im pretty sure help will arrive cause there are plenty of folks familiar with the shows and want to keep the trade pool as free of bogus material as possible. It may even be a possibility to have an area in the live show database or permanent forum thread of some sort of "known bogus shows" or something like that
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  posted on 9/22/2002 at 02:25 AM
"It may even be a possibility to have an area in the live show database or permanent forum thread of some sort of "known bogus shows" or something like that "

Man, Skip, I was thinking the same d*mn thing. OK, who's got an 'in' with Rowland?


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  posted on 9/22/2002 at 01:32 PM
Or at a minimum, a link to this very informative thread. I'm tempted to print out the entire bunch and keep for future reference!
 

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  posted on 9/22/2002 at 02:02 PM
Gentlemen, and I use the term loosely, I have contacted MR. R.A. and asked him to check out this thread and see if there is a way he can incorporate it somewhere that it wont slide down the bannister of threads into obscurity. Chances are he has already read the thread before I emailed him. And if anybody can do it he can.
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  posted on 9/22/2002 at 04:46 PM
In B'Ham yesterday, Linus & I discussed just what Skip mentioned above.
I think it's up to us to do the research as a group and then have the CORRECT info for all to reference to...
Furthermore, I would like to ask all of us to suspend any trading of any show that can't be authenticated as to the correct date and set list...

 

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  posted on 9/22/2002 at 08:07 PM
As a relatively new trader, with a huge backlog of shows to listen to one of the issues i've had is who do I listen to in terms of bogus/genuine, correct date etc. one of the advantages of coming here has been learning which guys really know their stuff. One of them has been gracious enough to agree to check my list. But far too many traders don't have the resources we have.

A second issue that i'm coming to understand is the importance of posting your setlist in the show database if you post somewhere like etree. As I work through my shows that's my next step and if you post there, I would encourage it

Clay, you mentioned 50-60 duane era shows out there. like you i'm wondering what kirk is sitting on and what is in polygram's vault that is involved in the lawsuit. without knowing this information it's tough to absolutely define the body of work-which should be a priority item for the ABB organization, imho

Thanks to you guys for raising the issue and apparantly taking some action to help us clean the lists

 

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