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  posted on 3/24/2005 at 11:50 AM
Just picked up The Lost Trident Sessions the other day and must say I have been blown away. I had only listened to "Birds Of Fire" in the past (& really liked it) and was suprised how much more I enjoyed the Trident Sessions material. Marketed as "The Holy Grail Of Fusion"- I can see why.

Thanks- just wanted to get that off my chest. Anyone else down?

 

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  posted on 3/24/2005 at 11:52 AM
All I've heard is Birds of Fire, but I liked it a lot.

 

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  posted on 3/24/2005 at 12:23 PM
Get the Inner Mounting Flame as well, and personally, I find Love, Devotion, Surrender, the collaboration between McLaughlin and Carlos Santana, to be one of the most important and influential records of that era. Every time I listen to it I hear something new.

 

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  posted on 3/24/2005 at 12:29 PM
DUDE! I love Mahavishnu Orchestra. John McLaughlin is my hero. He is, IMO, one of the top guitarists of all time. The whole group is amazing, Billy Cobham is also one of my favorite drummers. "Inner Mounting Flame" is a classic album. Anyone out there into the whole Jazz-Rock fusion thing should definetly get that album.
 

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  posted on 3/24/2005 at 12:40 PM
yeah man, lost trident session rocks, that was my first Mahavishnu album, my only complaint is the length of it, but all albums were short back then.
I love the drum/guitar breaks where just McLaughlin and Billy cobham just go nuts






 

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  posted on 3/24/2005 at 02:19 PM
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Get the Inner Mounting Flame as well, and personally, I find Love, Devotion, Surrender, the collaboration between McLaughlin and Carlos Santana, to be one of the most important and influential records of that era. Every time I listen to it I hear something new.


I didn't realize they did a collaboration- I'll definately check that out. Thanks for the heads up.

 

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  posted on 3/24/2005 at 02:27 PM
Yeah, that was back when Carlos fell completely under Mahavishnu's guru's spell, Sri Chimnoy and started calling himself Devadip Carlos Santana.

There is an incredible show from '73 that was recorded at the International Amphitheater (or the Chicago Stadium) that featured Carlos and McLaughlin touring in support of LDS. It is a soundboard and I guess Capt. Skipper remastered it.

I'd offer it but I don't have it yet-I have the previously available version and it is INCREDIBLE. Carlos plays stuff that I had not heard him play before-and haven't since.

 

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  posted on 3/24/2005 at 02:34 PM
I agree, as MO was great. I also have the live album on vinyl, and that is very good. John McLaughlin's career goes wide band far beyong MO, playing with Miles-Al Deola-and many others, but with the Mo they set the tone for a great period of fusion music. I would get all of the albums mentioned above, and I would follow the trail of music that each band member went on to be a part of beyond the MO.

John McLaughlin's performance on Clapton's Crossroads DVD is excellent, and worthy of the India-fusion concepts explored by him for over 30 years now. Also excellent on that Crossroads DVD is VM Bhatt's performance, he is from India, with his Mohan Vinar guitar-drone strings and all. A great album of Bhatt's to get is his collaboration with Jerry Douglas entitled Bourbon and Rosewater.

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  posted on 3/24/2005 at 02:54 PM
I'm hearing quite a few similarities between the Mahavishnu stuff and some of Zappa's stuff- not sure if that sounds odd to anyone or not but musically, in my opinion anyway, I see/hear some familiar things. I'm told that Jean-Luc Ponty palyed with Zappa before playing in the second lineup of Mahavishnu. Chester Thompston and George Duke played in Mahavishnu MkIII before joining Zappa. Rex Bogue, the guy who built JMcL's famous white double neck, inlayed guitar was Zappa's guitar tech for a while. The Zappa connection appears to be strong.
My brother offered the following insight on the Trident Sessions:

"here's quite a story about that. Apparantly the guys in the group were getting bummed that JMcL was writing all the stuff and they wanted to contribute tunes.
When he relented and said, "okay show me what you've got" they submitted a lot of the tunes that are on that disc. It seems JMcL wasn't wild about some of the tunes (but Hammer's brilliant "Sister Andrea" and the "Trilogy Suite" were strong enough that the group played them live on Between Nothingness and Eternity), and there was a "bad vibe" among the group in the studio - basically the group against JMcL, and as you know they broke up shortly afterwards. To my ears, if anything, the tension in the group ADDS to the intensity of those tracks. "

 

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  posted on 3/24/2005 at 02:57 PM
Sounds like Creedence just before THEY broke up...

 

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I'm hearing quite a few similarities between the Mahavishnu stuff and some of Zappa's stuff- not sure if that sounds odd to anyone or not but musically, in my opinion anyway, I see/hear some familiar things.

It's not just you. The first time I heard Mahavishnu, I thought it was Zappa. The track reminded me of Peaches En Regalia.

 

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  posted on 3/24/2005 at 03:01 PM
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I'm hearing quite a few similarities between the Mahavishnu stuff and some of Zappa's stuff- not sure if that sounds odd to anyone or not but musically, in my opinion anyway, I see/hear some familiar things.

It's not just you. The first time I heard Mahavishnu, I thought it was Zappa. The track reminded me of Peaches En Regalia.


Most definatley- I feel better now.
I'm so glad this board is available to me...If I brought up Mahavishnu to most of my friends they'd offer me a kleenex and say gazoontite (spelling?)

 

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  posted on 3/24/2005 at 03:15 PM
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"here's quite a story about that. Apparantly the guys in the group were getting bummed that JMcL was writing all the stuff and they wanted to contribute tunes.
When he relented and said, "okay show me what you've got" they submitted a lot of the tunes that are on that disc. It seems JMcL wasn't wild about some of the tunes (but Hammer's brilliant "Sister Andrea" and the "Trilogy Suite" were strong enough that the group played them live on Between Nothingness and Eternity), and there was a "bad vibe" among the group in the studio - basically the group against JMcL, and as you know they broke up shortly afterwards. To my ears, if anything, the tension in the group ADDS to the intensity of those tracks. "


Smatt, your brother is right, the tension was real. Johnny mac had his own way of doing things, but he was suurounded by such a talented group that he should have tapped it more. Nonetheless, the subsequent albums by Billy Cobham (both hos won and on great albums by other musicians such as Fly Like The Wind by McCoy Tyner) and Jan Hammer were fantastic, and added to the mix. It was simply an incredible period of time in music, fusion, funk, and rock that recent decades has not come close to. A true golden age of exploration and new sounds.

By the way, in the spirit of that, Bela Fleck will be touring this summer with Jean Luc Ponty and the great Stanley Clark in the following cities;

6/12 --Jazz Festival --Burlington, VT
6/16-- Wolf Trap --Vienna, VA
6/19 --Bluegrass Festival-- Telluride, CO
6/21 ---Meijer Gardens --Grand Rapids, MI
6/22 --Cain Park --Cleveland, OH
6/23 --Carnagie Hall --- New York, NY
6/24 --Syracuse Jazz Fest-- Syracuse, NY
6/26 --Jazz Festival --Saratoga Springs, NY
6/28 --JazzFestival-- Ottawa, Ontario, CAN
6/29 --Jazz Festival -- Toronto, Ontario, CAN
6/30 --Jazz Festival-- Montreal, Quebec,
7/1-18-- European Tour--Venues TBA
8/13 --JVC Jazz Festival-- Newport, RI
8/14 --Planting Fields Arboretum -- Oyster Bay, NY
8/19 --Mountain Winery --Saratoga, CA
8/21 --Hollywood Bowl --Los Angeles, CA
8/23 --Humphrey's --San Diego, CA
8/28 --Deer Valley Resort-- Park City, UT
8/30 --Humbolt State University -- Arcata, CA
8/31 --Britt Festival ---Jacksonville, OR

 

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  posted on 3/24/2005 at 03:27 PM
Now we can add that to:
6/20- Steve Winwood Beacon
6/21- Tom Petty & Black Crowes Jones Beach
6/22- Keith Jarrett, Gary Peacock and Jack DeJohnette Carnegie Hall
6/23- Bela Fleck, Jean Luc Ponty, Stanley Clark Carnegie Hall
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  posted on 3/24/2005 at 03:35 PM
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Get the Inner Mounting Flame as well, and personally, I find Love, Devotion, Surrender, the collaboration between McLaughlin and Carlos Santana, to be one of the most important and influential records of that era. Every time I listen to it I hear something new.


I didn't realize they did a collaboration- I'll definately check that out. Thanks for the heads up.





Also check out Santana's "Welcome" ground breaking fusion recording with McClaughlin on it.

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  posted on 3/24/2005 at 03:42 PM


During that particular time period, JM used to use this obnoxious monster, the Rex Bogue designed 6/12 Double-Neck guitar known as the "Double Rainbow."

I mean, look at that thing.

The show brofan was relating to is the Sept. 1st, 1973 gig at the International Amphitheatre in Chicago. Nice, nice recording. There are other shows circulating from 73' with Carlos, but this is the best sounding, & the one to get.

I actually offered this one up about a week ago on wheelchairbandit's thread in the trade forum. I think one person took the b&p......

 

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  posted on 3/24/2005 at 03:44 PM
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Also check out Santana's "Welcome" ground breaking fusion recording with McClaughlin on it.



Welcome is an excellent and under-rated Santana album. I would also mention one of my favorite Santana albums of all time that was also the one that sold the least, and that is Barboletta.

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  posted on 3/24/2005 at 03:44 PM
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ALRIGHT!!!!!!!!!I'm there!!!That's going to be an interesting lineup to see.

Mahavishnu Orchestra is one of my all time favorite bands.John McLaughlin is one of the few guitarists out there that have effected my own playing.

There is a SUPERB show floating around that was recorded by Warner Brothers then shelved,and McLaughlin released it to the traders.I believe the date on it is 4/21/72.It's probably the one boot I have that I listen to the most.McLaughlin said it was the best performance that the first lineup of MO EVER played,period.It's hot,that's for sure.

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  posted on 3/24/2005 at 03:55 PM
Finsky,
Funny that you posted that pic-that's been the wallpaper on my computer for a couple weeks now!

The Bogue doubleneck suffered an unfortanate ending-McLaughlin sat it down in a stand,and it fell over and the body broke right in two.He never had it fixed.

There is a show floating around that features McLauglin and Santana sitting in with Eric Clapton.They play Eyesight To The Blind and Stormy Monday together.McLaughlin is playing Santana's L5-S and if I remember right from the pics,Santana is playing an L6-S or Les Paul Custom.I haven't heard the show,but it's supposed to be sh!t hot,though the sound quality supposedly leaves a lot to be desired.

The best Santana stuff I've ever heard is two of his live albums-Lotus and Sacred Fire.The playing on Lotus is just unreal.It also features what I believe was Santana's best tone,as this was during the period when he used a Gibson Les Paul Custom (a '72 sunburst model) through an early Mesa/Boogie amp (actualy,this was when they were just called Boogies).His tone really got thin in comparison when he moved to the PRS' in the early-mid 80's.His best tones were always with the Les Paul and his Yamaha SG-2000.

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  posted on 3/24/2005 at 04:13 PM
I had the two MO albums Sacred Fire and Inner Mounting Flame. Lets just say they were above my ken of understanding at the time ..... yeah that's it ...... probably still are. Lol! But Billy Cobham's great Quadrant 4 w/ the great Tommy Bolin, Jan Hammer's work with the classic Jeff Beck albums Blow by Blow, Wired and There and Back (I always liked that one.) and Jean-Luc Pontys way great Enigmatic Ocean w/ Holdsworth and Sturmer along with some others most notably Stanley Clarke formed what was fuzion for me. Man those were really great times musically. You'd smoke a joint and listen to Skynyrd, Beck, TSOP all in the same sitting. Man those fuzion records were short too. Both Blow By Blow and Wired don't even compose an hours worth of music. This is a great thread. Another great Santana album especially in the fuzion vein is Blues For Salvador. Well worth checking out.

 

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  posted on 3/24/2005 at 04:32 PM
Charlesinator, no Return To Forever or Tower Of Power??

Any of you Bostonites remember a band called Phluph??


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  posted on 3/24/2005 at 04:54 PM
Charlesinator, Cobham's release with Tommy Bolin on guitar was "Spectrum." It includes, among other exceptional songs, "Quadrant 4," during which Bolin lays down the most exhilirating two minute guitar solo I've ever heard. No small praise, considering what I think of Duane Allman.

I have some other stuff with Bolin, Don Alias and Gene Perla that is real special too.

 

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  posted on 3/24/2005 at 05:07 PM
I mentioned VM Bhat above, from today in the Express India newsapaper, on upcoming collaboration with Clapton and his new guitar;

http://cities.expressindia.com/fullstory.php?newsid=122565

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Music with ideas

Pandit Vishwa Mohan Bhat looks forward to strumming the Mohan Veena with Eric Clapton.

AISHWARYA MAVINKURVE

Pune, March 24: YOUNG NOTES:
‘‘I enjoy playing for a young audience - in the hope that they will understand the value of classical music which is also exciting instead of being attracted to the music shown on immature channels. They understand music instinctively,’’ says Pandit Vishwa Mohan Bhat after an hour-long session organised by SPIC MACAY for students of DAV School, Aundh on Thursday. ‘‘Music is mainly an auditory experience but there seems to be a misconception among the youth that music is meant only to dance to,’’ he says.

PARTNERS IN RHYTHM:
Bhat’s collaborations include one with Erhu (Chinese violin) player Jei Bing Chen, Dobro guitar player Jerry Douglas and Arabian Oud player Simon Shaheen. But what he’s now excited about is collaboration with Eric Clapton. ‘‘Late last year I was invited for the Crossroads Guitar Festival in Texas where Clapton, John McLaughlin and Santana were among those playing. Clapton and I discussed a possible collaboration on an album. On my forthcoming trip to the USA I plan to discuss it with him,’’ he says



WITH STRINGS ATTACHED:
‘‘It’s true that in the name of carrying forward the tradition of Indian classical music, artistes sometimes become orthodox, not open to innovations. I have always experimented - whether it was with the my music or even my instrument,’’ says Bhat adding that his family was not pleased when he announced his decision to stake his career on a modified 20-string Hawaiian guitar. ‘‘But I was sure that this instrument would rule the music world,’’ says Bhat. Of course after winning the Grammy with Ry Cooder for A meeting by the river in 1994, the fame of this instrument has spread. Bhat continues to add innovations and strings to his guitar - his latest was the Vishwa Veena, a 35 strings instrument. ‘‘When I get back from my three month tour, I will concentrate on yet another innovation,’’ he says.

EXPERIMENTS ETC:
‘‘I have been composing music for films - I did a piece for Bawandar and for Dead Man Walking, but I haven't devoted time for another independent piece although I’ve done small pieces for Adnan Sami and AR Rehman among others. We classical musicians have a big ego - we don't like to be told by producers and directors about changing our tunes,’’ he laughs.



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  posted on 3/24/2005 at 05:25 PM
Thanks Old Coot silly me. My memory is a little off. Wonder why? And oh hell yeah Derek we were digging Tower of Power and a lot of off the wall sh*t. Anybody ever hear of somebody named Jimmy Spheeris and Lydia Pence?

 

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  posted on 3/24/2005 at 05:50 PM
For you fusion heads-

Check out Stanley Clarke "Live At The Greek"-it's on Amazon.It's Stanley,Larry Carlton and Billy Cobham along with a guy who plays keys and sax.It's a HOT album-the versions of All Blues and School Days on it are superb.Larry Carlton flat lays it down on the whole album.

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