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  posted on 3/21/2005 at 02:47 PM
I watched Neil Young help induct The Pretenders into the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame today, and I couldn't help but thinking he could just as easily have helped to induct Lynyrd Skynyrd. I don't know much about the Pretenders. I think they may be British? I have a few of their songs that I got from a disc at the library. I know Chrissy is a seeming strong lead singer. Neil waxed on prolifically about how two members in the band had died. And Neil talked of how Chrissy could have gone her way, that she could have gone solo. But there Chrissy was with the remaining original members. Yes, The Pretenders suffered the tragedy that is common to entertainers in the field of Rock Music.



So, my bitch is, what really keeps Lynryd Skynyrd out of the R&R Hall of Fame? I'll tell you in one word what keeps this great legacy out of the Hall, SNOBBERY. Lynyrd Skynyrd was a great band in their prime, and at this point, if I was in Skynyrd, I'd probably show up and publicly decline the induction, the recognition of their so called peers.



The Pretenders, it seems to me, were to a large degree, just that, PRETENDERS. Ok, they have a handful of cool songs, and what else? Oh they are probably British.


And Skynryd came from the south, dedicated Free Bird to Duane Allman and Berry Oakley. This may have been the biggest mistake the band ever made, that and criticizing NEIL YOUNG for having written Alabama and Southern Man.


The RRHOF is to a degree, who knows who. It can be a snotty private self centered entity. And I like The Pretenders, always have. But Skynyrd should be in, but first I guess that have to be publicly humilated for a decade or so.


Fuuuck the RRHOF for this shameful behavior.





 

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  posted on 3/21/2005 at 02:58 PM
I am sorry but the Skynrd you referred to once said (referring to Neil) and I qoute " A southern man don't need him around anyhow"

Maybe mot the best inductor for your proposed inductee

But your gripe is heard many Skynrd fans feel your pain

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  posted on 3/21/2005 at 03:20 PM
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I am sorry but the Skynrd you referred to once said (referring to Neil) and I qoute " A southern man don't need him around anyhow"
Maybe mot the best inductor for your proposed inductee
[Edited on 3/21/2005 by LexABB]


Outstanding

I feel bad for the LS faithful and agree they belong at some point...however, it won't be Neil that gives them away...

 

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  posted on 3/21/2005 at 03:34 PM
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I am sorry but the Skynrd you referred to once said (referring to Neil) and I qoute " A southern man don't need him around anyhow"

Maybe mot the best inductor for your proposed inductee

They were kidding around. As far as Skynyrd in the Hall goes, I don't care at all. If it annoys certain people I'm all for it.

 

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  posted on 3/21/2005 at 04:05 PM
I think that Lynyrd Skynyrd deserves a place in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. I wonder who would do the induction speach if it were to happen? Any guesses or suggestions?

 

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  posted on 3/21/2005 at 04:13 PM
Lynyrd Skynyrd, being who they were, a southern band emerging publicly on vinyl in 1973, even if they were first recorded in 1968, had to be careful. Ronnie had to be careful chastising Neil Young. The stigma of racism and prejudice prevailed, and Skynyrd was a blue colllar band, southern boys playing swamp music that came natural to them. The BOO, BOO, BOO, in Sweet Home Alabama, was easy to miss. And to confound the critics, Skynyrd often had the Confederate Flag in the backdrop, something else that did not bother this band. Little did the band realize that the Confederate Flag was quickly becoming little more than a banner of racism for many.

I wonder if Skynyrd still waves the flag, and if so, are they still as proud? Me, I don't know if I would still be waving that flag. And Ronnie always said he was only kidding around with his comments concerning Neil Young, but then too, Ronnie says on the Old Grey Whistle Test show from 1975 something like this: "The man back there just told me to say something about Neil Young. Personally, I don't like to talk about the gentleman." Then the band kicked off SHA.


I truly believe Ronnie would have liked to have been taken more seriously for whatl the lyrics meant to him in Sweet Home Alabama. But the problem was the song lyrics raised so many eyebrows, and the band was in serious trouble of being tied to racism, to defending racism, that they did what they had to do. Ronnie publicly told everyone it was all a joke. I don't think Ronnie was strongly denouncing anyone though, but I know Ronnie and the present day Skynyrd have long since grown weary explaining their intentions.


I think Ronnie took on too much in the song:


Neil Young --- Alabama and Southern Man
Southern Pride
Racism
The Governor of Alabama: George Wallace
The President of the United States: Richard Nixon
The Confederate Flag as a backdrop.



The band thumbed their nose at quite a few people, some institutions. And I think this is all the more reason the band belongs in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. Ronnie had BALLS.

 

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  posted on 3/21/2005 at 04:15 PM
I see no problem with Skynryd going in, I guess, as long as Rush gets in there too. My old Canadian friends are still on petition status for consideration.

 

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  posted on 3/21/2005 at 04:21 PM
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And to confound the critics, Skynyrd often had the Confederate Flag in the backdrop, something else that did not bother this band. Little did the band realize that the Confederate Flag was quickly becoming little more than a banner of racism for many.

They'd have to be pretty dumb for that to be the case, because the Confederate Navy Jack had been used as a banner by racists for years at that point. Probably 20 years, back into the early civil rights movement.

 

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  posted on 3/21/2005 at 04:37 PM
Sometimes it's Heritage and not Hate! I knwo for a fact there wasn't a single racist in any of Skynyrd's personnel. They idolized both Robert Johnson and Wilson Pickett. They sang about the plight of the black man in their ballad "Curtis Lowe".

Seriously now, people really need to learn the whole story about the so called beef between Neil Young and Skynyrd. There never was a beef as Skynyrd actually became very close to Neil Young over the years as they thought each others songs were hilarious and actually took it as a compliment.

Neil Young was a frikkin pall bearer at Ronnie Van Zant's funeral, that's how close the two had become. Hell, this is what Molly Hatchett said during "Gator Country", I've been to Alabama people, ain't a whole lot to see, Skynyrd says it's a real sweet home, but it ain't nothing to me!" They never had a problem either. Neil Young actually wrote "Powderfinger" about the Skynyrd tragedy.


Here is another song by the Drive-By-Truckers to explain this more:


Artist/Band: Truckers Drive-By
Lyrics for Song: Ronnie and Neil
Lyrics for Album: Southern Rock Opera
Church blew up in Birmingham
Four little black girls killed for no goddamn good reason
All this hate and violence can't come to no good end
A stain on the good name.
A whole lot of good people dragged threw the blood and glass
Blood stains on their good names and all of us take the blame

Meanwhile in North Alabama, Wilson Pickett comes to town
To record that sweet soul music, to get that Muscle Shoals sound

Meanwhile in North Alabama, Aretha Franklin comes to town
To record that sweet soul music, to get that Muscle Shoals sound

And out in California, a rock star from Canada writes a couple of great songs about the
Bad **** that went down
"Southern Man" and "Alabama" certainly told some truth
But there were a lot of good folks down here and Neil Young wasn't around

Meanwhile in North Alabama, Lynyrd Skynyrd came to town
To record with Jimmy Johnson at Muscle Shoals Sound
And they met some real good people, not racist pieces of ****
And they wrote a song about it and that song became a hit

Ronnie and Neil Ronnie and Neil
Rock stars today ain't half as real
Speaking there minds on how they feel
Let them guitars blast for Ronnie and Neil

Now Ronnie and Neil became good friends their feud was just in song
Skynyrd was a bunch of Neil Young fans and Neil he loved that song
So He wrote "Powderfinger" for Skynyrd to record
But Ronnie ended up singing "Sweet Home Alabama" to the lord

And Neil helped carry Ronnie in his casket to the ground
And to my way of thinking, us southern men need both of them around

Ronnie and Neil Ronnie and Neil Rock stars today ain't half as real
Speaking their minds on how they feel
Let them guitars blast for Ronnie and Neil

 

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  posted on 3/21/2005 at 04:39 PM
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I think that Lynyrd Skynyrd deserves a place in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. I wonder who would do the induction speach if it were to happen? Any guesses or suggestions?
Tom Petty would work IMO

 

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  posted on 3/21/2005 at 04:40 PM
If Skynyrd isn't R7R HOF material, who is?

MCA Records estimates that Skynyrd has sold over 45 million records over the past thirty years.

Skynyrd is MCA's number one catalog artist -- out-selling every other catalog artist on their roster including The Who.

According to BMI, 'Freebird' has been played on the radio more than 3 million times and the song remains near the top of all radio surveys.

 

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  posted on 3/21/2005 at 04:41 PM
skynyrd would have been in by now if it wasn't for there last ten albumn releases

 

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Tom Petty would work IMO


Tom Petty would work, but Charlie Daniels would be the best person for the job as he was very close to the band, so was Merle Haggard, so he would also be perfect. The old Hag!

 

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I think that Lynyrd Skynyrd deserves a place in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. I wonder who would do the induction speach if it were to happen? Any guesses or suggestions?
Tom Petty would work IMO


Tom Petty would work, but Charlie Daniels would be the best person for the job as he was very close to the band, so was Merle Haggard, so he would also be perfect. The old Hag!
Charlie Daniels would be a great choice.......Petty popped in my head right away because he's from Fla.

 

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So, my bitch is, what really keeps Lynryrd Skynyrd out of the R&R Hall of Fame?
Isn't it obvious?

Hey, I have an idea...why not bring this question up on the Skynyrd website...most of us here really don't care.

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skynyrd would have been in by now if it wasn't for there last ten albumn releases
Bingo!

I think the whole rebel image doesn't help, either. But, if I'm not mistaken, I think I read something somewhere that the hell-raising whisky-drinking rowdy rebel image was Al Cooper's idea to help them sell records. This might explain why they didn't break through in the 60's. They didn't have an image to sell.

I think lyrics like those found in SHA were encouraged by the record company and/or producers. I also think Ronnie might have thought he went a notch to far with SHA, and later dismissed his words as "kidding around".

 

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So, my bitch is, what really keeps Lynryrd Skynyrd out of the R&R Hall of Fame?
Isn't it obvious?

Hey, I have an idea... why not bring this question up on the Skynyrd website...most of us here really don't care.

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He can't, because he's been banned from there.

And then didn't the site fold?

 

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  posted on 3/21/2005 at 05:48 PM
The Pretenders aren't Lynyrd Skynyrd
But the current Lynyrd Skynyrd are pretenders

 

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So, my bitch is, what really keeps Lynryrd Skynyrd out of the R&R Hall of Fame?
Isn't it obvious?

Hey, I have an idea...why not bring this question up on the Skynyrd website...most of us here really don't care.

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Isn't this a public message board? I've seen frikkin topics on this board from classical, jazz, country, finances, grocery shopping, etc.

Maybe people do care about discussing this, you're just so anal you have to find something to bitch about huh? I've got an idea, just like turning the channel on the TV if you don't like a program? Just do not enter this thread, it's just that easy!

I did hear some interesting news on CMT over the weekend. Both Johnnie Van Zant and Donnie Van Zant who was of course one of the leaders of 38 Special for so many years are teaming up to tour and perform as the group "Van Zant".

They have been signed by Sony records to record and they're going on tour together this next year. They didn't mention who would makeup the rest of the group, but they're suppoed to be a Country/ Southern Rock type group.

 

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  posted on 3/21/2005 at 07:13 PM
If you've been here for any length of time, you'd know that old JaminRebel Deano is a boil on the butt of this site.

He just happens to resort to lame LS histories to get attention.

There are alot of us here who did like LS.

We just can't stand having JaminAssclown constantly ram it down our throats.

 

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ABBDutchFan nailed it. Game over.
 

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  posted on 3/21/2005 at 07:44 PM
I once saw the pretenders open up for neil a couple years ago.

needless to say...neil was better

 

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deano got banned from the Skynyrd site then they removed there forums he was banned here also but managed to keep the current handle he has about a dozen.

"He's got Nowhere is to Go!!!!!!!!!!"

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And to confound the critics, Skynyrd often had the Confederate Flag in the backdrop, something else that did not bother this band. Little did the band realize that the Confederate Flag was quickly becoming little more than a banner of racism for many.

They'd have to be pretty dumb for that to be the case, because the Confederate Navy Jack had been used as a banner by racists for years at that point. Probably 20 years, back into the early civil rights movement.[/]





Allen Collins, Gary Rossington and Ronnie Van Zant were NOT intelllectuals, they WERE boys from poor white blue collar families. Ronnie and Gary went to ROBERT E. LEE High School, named for the famous Southern Civil War General. My mom has a year book from Robert E. Lee, since she went to the school in her youth. I looked through the yearbook one day and noticed there appeared to be NO BLACK STUDENTS. So, there was a time when the schools here were not even integrated, segregation was still the rule. My mom graduated from segregated Robert. E. Lee in 1953. Mom says she thinks maybe the school went through integration in the mid sixties. And Ronnie was the first in the band to finish school, and I'm not sure now if he quit or graduated. Gary Rossington did quit school, as the story has been told, after he was harassed---- his opinion---- by Leornard Skinner and others at the school due to his long hair. And I'm sure he was also rebelious, probably a pot head. Allen went to Forrest high school, and I don't know if he graduated. Forrest is named for Nathan Bedford Forrest, the Civil war leader.


One of my Skynyrd biographies details that Ronnie used to tell Allen that he would still be SNIFFING GLUE if Ronnie had not gotten him into the band. Ronnie recruited Allen into his band. And the Gene Odom bio details that Allen was a doper, and he even once backed over the neck of his guitar while he was high. So, YES, the Lynyrd Skynyrd band members were not highly educated.

And I myself used to have a rebel flag, still do-- it belonged to my half- brother, and I had to learn that it was not exactly cool. I mean, blue collar people are not the first people to respond to the winds of politics. And I don't feel the civil rights movement changed people that much until the 1980's here in Jacksonville. And several of our mayors from the past always spoke of changing our image here in the city. Jacksonville today is a much different city than it was in the late sixties and the mid seventies.


This is to say, I'm sure Lynryd Skynyrd used the Rebel Flag to reinforce their feelings of Southern Pride. An outsider from the north might not understand. But it seems perspectives from the North and the South can be quite different. Maybe the South was just more ignorant, slow to change. I mean, the South did lose the Civil War. The South was decimated in the war. By 1965 it had only been one hundred years since the Civil War. World Wars 1 and 2 , a national economic depression, etc, also did not help this country to concentrate on a Civil Rights Movement.


Change can come slowly: "Southern change, gonnna come at last. Now your crosses are burning fast, Southern Man: Neil Young.












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  posted on 3/22/2005 at 10:03 AM
Lynyrd Skynyrd: Remembering the Free Birds of Southern Rock,
Gene Odom 2002



Page 23

"In 1966, Ronnie's senior year, only two black students were enrolled in Robert E. Lee High School."


"In 1964, most of Duval County's [Jacksonville] five hundred thousand residents were blue - collar workers, and old ways were slow to change."

 

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