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  posted on 3/21/2005 at 09:44 AM
I was reading some posts under Sat. setlist, and some people were comparing Derek to Duane. While I feel that Derek is one hell of a player, I wouldn't quite put him in Duane's league just yet. I'm not saying he won't get there, but let's not rush it. Derek has complete command of his guitar and he's probably more accomplished on slide than straight lead but I think he still is behind Duane in both categories. If you don't agree, take out some of those old recordings and take a listen. Remember, a lot of what Derek is playing was already done before. Just my opinion, don't shoot me!
 
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  posted on 3/21/2005 at 09:45 AM
You're entitled, but I think Derek is doing a lot of things nobody has done before. Duane didn't invent everything and not everything he did was brand-new.

 

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  posted on 3/21/2005 at 09:53 AM
While I feel Duane was pretty much the Godfather of slide, I think Derek has passed him. I think Derek is already one of the best guitarists of all time, with his newest plateau being reached on Saturday with that ridiculous solo on Liz Reed. I feel that he can just do what he wants when he wants, and if he wants to turn it up, there's no one better.
 

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  posted on 3/21/2005 at 09:59 AM
We all know what Duane did and gave to this band. He is the man, but Derek is far mor advanced then Duane ever was.

 

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  posted on 3/21/2005 at 10:01 AM
Trust me my friend - Derek did some things Saturday night that Duane could never do on his best day. I don't think its a stretch to say that.

Derek is unequaled at slide guitar - as I mentioned in my review, he has hit the ^^pinnacle^^ of slide playing. He has no equals. WE are looking at a prodigy - an energy and a master of his craft and he is still growing if thats even posiible. I don't care "who is better", is it really important? No. Derek's straight guitar playing is right now almost as dynamic and unique as his slide stuff...
I listen to the both of them constantly and I will never stop. Putting them in a "who's better" contest is not really fair - although it has the potential for some nice thought-out discussion. Derek right now is channeling an energy deep inside of himself that gives him the ability to play whatever he thinks can be played. If he hears it in his head - he can play it.

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  posted on 3/21/2005 at 10:14 AM
So, which was "better", Rembrandt or Van Gogh???

I've never heard a guitarist I've enjoyed more than Duane. But those are my personal tastes and likes. It is unfair to compare the two. Two totally different players, IMO.

 

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  posted on 3/21/2005 at 10:23 AM
This is the beauty of this discussion, everyone has something to contribute. That's one of the reasons I intro'd the thread. By the way, I was there Sat. night and Derek did tear it up!!
 

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  posted on 3/21/2005 at 11:23 AM
if you want to say technically that derek is more advanced i'd think you'd be correct, but remember, that duane set the tone for derek and was a huge influence on derek, without duane, and without the allman brothers band, can we even say for sure that derek would have ever picked up a guitar and/or put that first slide on his finger? You can't compare the two, because they play in different eras, to see them trade solo's would be one of the most amazing experiences in the world, because both were/are masters of their craft.

 

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  posted on 3/21/2005 at 11:25 AM
I love them both

Duane paved a road for many of us and Derek is now digging up new ground and has taken it farther......I think that's great and I think Duane would think so too

I hope we can all at some point realize that music is not the Olympics and not a competition. It's about getting your message across to others.....I know they both have a very strong message and I'm listening

 

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  posted on 3/21/2005 at 11:26 AM
Absoloutely not an "either-or" situation. Each is brilliant in his own right. Comes down to a matter of taste. I believe that the fact that Derek grew up listening to Duane (and Dickey) is a major factor. I believe it's required if one is to be able to play like Derek. This is probably the major difference between Derek and Warren. Also accounts for Derek playing in open E all these years.

Bottom line, for me, although they are two different players with different styles, their approach is the same. They both know what they want to do when it's their turn, i.e. building a solo, tension and release, keeping me totally focused and on edge, wondering what is next. True masters can do this. Jeanne explains it the best. Derek's Mtn. Jam solo Fri. night, Duane's Liz Reed from FE, different, yet similar. How do you choose? Why would you choose?

 
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  posted on 3/21/2005 at 11:29 AM
well said

 

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  posted on 3/21/2005 at 11:32 AM
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So, which was "better", Rembrandt or Van Gogh???

I've never heard a guitarist I've enjoyed more than Duane. But those are my personal tastes and likes. It is unfair to compare the two. Two totally different players, IMO.


Whose contribution was greater, the Wright Brothers or Warner Van Braun?

Okay, stoopid analogy! But without Duane, I doubt that Derek would've emerged as the talent that he is. To me, he's taken the tone and technique of Duane (who, as Marley suggested was influenced by others) to a new level. I never really think about which of the two should be considered the better guitarist. For me, Derek's playing and musicianship is just furthering Duane's vibe. Derek's music always makes me wonder where Duane would've taken his.

So which came first, the fried chicken or the fried egg?

 

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  posted on 3/21/2005 at 11:47 AM
In the past year, Derek clearly chose certain of his DTB shows to work on straight lead (non-slide). He has made huge progress by doing this and the imrovement can be heard show-to-show. While slide will always be his specialty, he is becoming so proficient at straight lead that he'll be able to play with anybody in any style in short order.

[Edited on 3/21/2005 by brucegz]

 

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  posted on 3/21/2005 at 11:50 AM
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But without Duane, I doubt that Derek would've emerged as the talent that he is.

I think it might be better to wonder what Derek would do with the same talent without one of his prominent influences.
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To me, he's taken the tone and technique of Duane ... to a new level.

I don't fully agree with that either... he has a very different technique from Duane (finger style, more slide and slide in jazz, Open E, etc.). Duane's slide style is very harmonica-influenced; most of the time Derek's is not, and there's the sarod influence in his slide work. His lead playing too, sometimes. Duane took 'breaths' when he played lead, but Derek sounds a lot more like a sax player than he did. That's where the 'not listening to guitar players' thing comes in.

A lot of people put Derek in the context of Duane all the time. It's an easy thing to do. But I think it limits people's understanding of what Derek is trying to do, and possibly limits their understanding or appreciation of his playing. Duane's a big influence on him, but it can be overstated in terms of what Derek is shooting for. Derek is not Duane Jr.

 

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  posted on 3/21/2005 at 11:53 AM
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he has a very different technique from Duane (finger style, more slide and slide in jazz, Open E, etc.). Duane's slide style is very harmonica-influenced; most of the time Derek's is not, and there's the sarod influence in his slide work. His lead playing too, sometimes. Duane took 'breaths' when he played lead, but Derek sounds a lot more like a sax player than he did. That's where the 'not listening to guitar players' thing comes in.

A lot of people put Derek in the context of Duane all the time. It's an easy thing to do. But I think it limits people's understanding of what Derek is trying to do, and possibly limits their understanding or appreciation of his playing. Duane's a big influence on him, but it can be overstated in terms of what Derek is shooting for. Derek is not Duane Jr.


Excellent points, Marley.

 

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  posted on 3/21/2005 at 12:03 PM
I agree with Marley and as always Chad - good points Marley! Derek's style is not as close to Duane's as one might think.

Duane did have that harmonica-like tone and phrasing. Derek's style is more like a great horn player - his phrasing and touch - its like he takes a breath like a horn player does in between riffs or passages. There's also the in-between notes that Derek uses regularly that Duane didn't really add to his arsenal at all. They are the Coltrane notes or the Miles Davis or Wayne Shorter notes that Derek uses that most slide players don't even realize they exist. Most players wouldn't think they fit the genre of slide guitar - Derek "makes" them fit. There is hidden beauty in every note, in every passage - Dereks makes us listen on a whole other level. Thats what the musical terms "dissonance" and "consonance" are all about. Its better known as tension and release. No one is better at it than Derek. He is as angular as they get...his dexterity and accuracy are deadly.

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  posted on 3/21/2005 at 12:03 PM
Without Duane, Derek or Warren music wouldn't be the joy for me that it is.

 

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  posted on 3/21/2005 at 12:06 PM
Without Duane, Derek or Warren music wouldn't be the joy for me that it is.

 

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  posted on 3/21/2005 at 01:45 PM
Check out Derek's enhanced CD - Soul Serenade.
When played in a computer, you can actually check out some very articulate video interviews with Derek discussing his theory on music, influences, and moving the ball forward.

Nice feature on a great musical CD.

 

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  posted on 3/21/2005 at 01:50 PM
This is like asking who's better - New Kids On The Block or N'Sync. NKOTB obviously paved the way for N'Sync, but N'Sync brought it to a whole new level.

 

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  posted on 3/21/2005 at 02:19 PM
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if you want to say technically that derek is more advanced i'd think you'd be correct, but remember, that duane set the tone for derek and was a huge influence on derek, without duane, and without the allman brothers band, can we even say for sure that derek would have ever picked up a guitar and/or put that first slide on his finger? You can't compare the two, because they play in different eras, to see them trade solo's would be one of the most amazing experiences in the world, because both were/are masters of their craft.

no telling what Duane would have evolved to had he lived...that being said, music is NOT a competition...it is form of expression..of what is in someones heart..and if you are really lucky, what you express touches someone else..Derek is amazing...period...he is not Duane..he doesn't need to be..put on Fillmore East...it was ove 30 years ago..it stands up quite nicely , thank you....

 

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  posted on 3/21/2005 at 02:22 PM
Nature vs. Nurture?


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  posted on 3/21/2005 at 02:22 PM
So True! If only one of them could open for the ABB on tour, that would just pop my pimple!

 

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  posted on 3/21/2005 at 02:26 PM
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music is NOT a competition...it is form of expression..of what is in someones heart..and if you are really lucky, what you express touches someone else..Derek is amazing...period...he is not Duane..he doesn't need to be..put on Fillmore East...it was ove 30 years ago..it stands up quite nicely , thank you....


Thanks for that one, Lefty.

 

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  posted on 3/21/2005 at 02:33 PM
One thing people need to remember and to put things in perspective is that Duane Allman didn't start playing slide till 1968 and passed away in 1971. That just three years. Imagine what Duane would have sounded like if he would have been playing slide as long as Derek. Not trying to take anything away from either Duane or Derek, just giving y'all something to think about.

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