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  posted on 2/21/2005 at 11:27 AM
Sorry if this has been discussed here already, but anyone know (or heard rumor) of what the Frogwings lineup will be at Wannee? Hopefully w/o Popper??

 

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  posted on 2/21/2005 at 11:51 AM
John Popper's band will be there, so I think it's a sure bet he'll be with Frogwings.

 

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  posted on 2/21/2005 at 11:56 AM
Marley,

Will you be there?

 

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  posted on 2/21/2005 at 11:57 AM
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Will you be there?


Only if Popper can't make it.

 

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  posted on 2/21/2005 at 12:01 PM
I'm, uh, in talks with the band, primarily Marc. I'd love to go but I don't have any plans to. I'm going on a vacation a few days after the festival, so I guess it's very unlikely.

 

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  posted on 2/21/2005 at 12:03 PM
If you happen to "unplan" your plans, bring your guitar!
 

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  posted on 2/21/2005 at 12:55 PM
I can totally understand why some people think John Popper overplays and they don't like him.

I cannot understand why anybody would rather see Edwin McCain in that slot. Never have. He's not much of a guitar player and I find his songs unimpressive. Frankly, I don't know how McCain ever got connected to the jam scene, because he seems like an unremarkable "singer-songwriter" type to me.

 
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  posted on 2/21/2005 at 01:07 PM

The best thing about Edwin McCain is that he's not Popper ...

 

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  posted on 2/21/2005 at 01:19 PM
The best thing about Edwin McCain is that he's not Popper ...

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Amen well said Hop. Again Rob we are at odds. I personally find it hard to sort of constantly be in disagreement musically with someone as likable as yourself. Frankly
while I don't own any McCain records, I don't find him that bad. There has always been a place in my musical world for anthemic pop ballads and Edwin is as good as anybody when it comes to those. He also seems genuinely nice and likable much like yourself which can't be said about Pooper by anybody including his mother.

 

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  posted on 2/21/2005 at 01:44 PM
heh heh... i figured the charlesinator would find his way to this thread sooner or later.

 

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  posted on 2/21/2005 at 02:30 PM
I take it we have no Blues Traveler fans in the room. I like John Popper, his voice isn't the greatest, but his skills with a harp are remarkable. I don't think anyone in this world can play harp like John Popper.

Would you rather have him with frogwings if he only played harmonica? I probably would say yes, although I don't mind his voice. And Blues Traveler is a helluva jam band.

 

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  posted on 2/21/2005 at 02:45 PM
Has Frogwings even been officially announced for Wannee?
 

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  posted on 2/21/2005 at 02:53 PM
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Has Frogwings even been officially announced for Wannee?

They're not on the festival web site, which I don't understand, but they definitely ARE supposed to play.

 

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  posted on 2/21/2005 at 03:03 PM
Vocals are my problem w/Popper.He sings like he plays harp,TOO FAST! he squeezes so many words in,i have no clue what he's singing....makes me nervous to listen to him....so,i don't...

 

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  posted on 2/21/2005 at 03:42 PM
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I cannot understand why anybody would rather see Edwin McCain in that slot. Never have. He's not much of a guitar player and I find his songs unimpressive. Frankly, I don't know how McCain ever got connected to the jam scene, because he seems like an unremarkable "singer-songwriter" type to me.


Edwin's not up there to play guitar. I saw the Frogwings back in '97 when Edwin was lead vocals, and he had his guitar up for a couple of the songs, but for the most part his guitar, when he had it, was barely audible in the mix. He's there for his voice alone, so whether he's much of a guitar player or not isn't really even relevant.

That is where I feel Popper isn't the fit, because he IS there for his instrument and his voice, and I think his harmonica makes the sound convoluted. At that point you have too many people needing time to solo, and it kills the songs. I'd rather have Edwin--who has a much better voice anyway--there strictly to sing than Popper there for his excellence on harp and to sing lead as well.

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  posted on 2/21/2005 at 06:12 PM
I'm not a big McCain fan, but I thought he was a great fit with Frogwings. Actually, I think McCain sounds better with Frogwings than he does solo and/or with his own band. Other than Popper's voice sucking pretty bad, I think his songwriting is terrible too. Popper ruined the Frogwings tunes that he re-wrote....the McCain versions were way better. "Ganja" is a prime example...McCain's version of that song was really good, both lyrically and melodically. Popper ruined an otherwise great song with that re-write.

I also agree with jmintz that there isn't room sonically for the harp in Frogwings. No offense to Butch (or Marc or Popper/McCain), but Frogwings is all about Jimmy/Derek and the Brothers Burbridge. Popper just got in the way. Whenever Popper was soloing, I would've much preferred hearing any of the other four soloists instead. And his damn "rhythm harp" was just completely obnoxious. The harp sounds to me like it's in about the same range as the flute and keys, so the "rhythm harp" would drown out the few flute solos Kofi had. Actually, that's another thing...the harp solos seemed to come largely at the expense of Kofi's solos (compared to the "McCain era"). And then when Popper would "rhythm harp" during a bass or guitar solo, Kofi's keys would again get drowned out. As much as I love Kofi's soloing, his genius is what he plays underneath on the keys while someone else is soloing. That was completely lost in the mix once Popper joined the band and rhythm harped during all the guitar/bass solos.

One last thing, I also missed a few of McCain's songs that left the Frogwings repertoire when he left the band. They did a super-cool version of "Don't Change Horses." "Sign on the Door" was pretty cool too....Oteil killed that song with super-tasty bass/scat soloing, much the same way as he does/did with "Throndossull" in ARU. "Leopard Skin Pill-Box Hat" was another I missed when McCain left, and there was another blues tune or two they also previously did that were really cool to hear.

The one positive thing I'll add about Popper's joining Frogwings...well two things: (1) Frogwings was able to continue after McCain's record label (RCA??) pulled the plug on him doing side-projects; and (2) the new tunes that Popper brought with him to the band I thought were pretty good. I mean, I'd rather hear Frogwings with Popper than no Frogwings at all.

Re: Wanee Fest, Frogwings was originally listed for Saturday night as part of DTB's set. I think it was billed something like "Derek Trucks Band Jam / Frogwings Jam" and then it was removed from the web-site. Lana has since confirmed that Frogwings is still on the bill; I guess they're just trying to find the right spot for them before announcing it again. With Oteil and Jimmy already at Wanee Fest, I'd love to see Bruce drive over from Pensacola and they could add ARU to the "To Be Announced" slot for Friday night. I'll personally go pick up Sipe from Asheville and give him a ride down, if that's the only thing holding up another ARU reunion.

 

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  posted on 2/21/2005 at 06:14 PM
Popper is very good. But that can be very bad. As has been said above, he plays through everybody's solo. I've never heard rhythm harmonica before, but he does it. His voice is, meh. However, if you don't like Live from the Fall, I don't know what to say, that's a rockin' album.
 

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  posted on 2/21/2005 at 07:08 PM
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I take it we have no Blues Traveler fans in the room. I like John Popper, his voice isn't the greatest, but his skills with a harp are remarkable. I don't think anyone in this world can play harp like John Popper.

Would you rather have him with frogwings if he only played harmonica? I probably would say yes, although I don't mind his voice. And Blues Traveler is a helluva jam band.


I wouldn't want him just because his harp is never silent. He plays through everybody's solos. His ego never seems to allow him to take a back seat.


What's his ego have to do with his playing.... that's like saying, man, a drummer never stops playing while a guitarist is playing. They're all musicians, they all add there touchs.

 

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  posted on 2/21/2005 at 07:09 PM
I love both versions of Frogwings.

I understand people's dislike of Popper, but I personally like him a lot. I even like his voice.

I like some songs better with Popper & some with McCain. Interestingly enough, people outside who have heard my Frogwings comps with both singers, tend to be pretty split too. - A lot of people have equally not liked McCain's voice.

I don't care, I love the band either way.

 

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  posted on 2/21/2005 at 08:55 PM
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What's his ego have to do with his playing.... that's like saying, man, a drummer never stops playing while a guitarist is playing. They're all musicians, they all add there touchs.

If Popper stops playing his harmonica during someone else's solo, a song will not fall apart.
Listen to most of these musicians talk and they'll talk about the importance of space in music. I think these complaints about Popper come down to the fact that he doesn't leave space for other people in his playing.

 

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  posted on 2/21/2005 at 09:16 PM
Miles was the absolute master of space. Popper is, well, the exact other end of the spectrum.
 

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  posted on 2/21/2005 at 09:44 PM
Well how do you know the band members don't like that? If they didn't like him jamming through their solos they would speak up. I know Butch would say something if there was a problem.

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  posted on 2/21/2005 at 10:09 PM
I didn't say the band members don't like it. I was saying I think it's part of what some of the people here don't like. He could chill out a bit, but I don't love or hate the guy, myself.

 

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  posted on 2/22/2005 at 12:07 AM
The juxtaposition of John Popper and Charlie Musslewhite at Warren's Christmas Jam this year provided a great example of why "less is more". Hopefully Mr. Popper picked up some pointers.

 

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  posted on 2/22/2005 at 06:50 AM
Personally...I'll take ANY incarnation of Frogwings...and be damn happy about it!
Popper does seem to get on one's nerves after about 2 songs....he needs to lay off of the harp a LIL....but give me some Frogwings!!
It would be VERY cool if ARU would do a jam SOMEWHERE together at Wanee!!
Does anyone know when the actual time slots are gonna be announced for both days?
(Don't wanna get my bands times crossed with each other!!)

 
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