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  posted on 2/15/2005 at 03:29 PM
Don't get me wrong here, I love Skynyrd and they are a huge part or rock n' roll history as well as legendary on the southern rock scene, but watching the grammy's made me appreciate the Allman Brothers current status so much more. Skynyrds guitars weren't harmonized, the vocals seemed kind of out there and everything was just a little sloppy. When you see the Allman Brothers now its hard to find a fault (at least for me) and I'm very glad to be an "Allman's first" kind of fan because It would be tough for me to grasp that my favorite band was in a lot of ways "washed up". Please share your thoughts!

 

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  posted on 2/15/2005 at 03:40 PM
I love the Allman Brothers Band.. but they're at the same status as Skynyrd to a lot of fans.. not musically but being judged by who's original and who has more original members.. Both bands arn't original as we know.. but there's more chemistry with the ABB than there is with Skynyrd now a days.

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  posted on 2/15/2005 at 03:40 PM
you are right on!!! dicky betts is also washed up-the entire performance was a shambles (the forum has said alot of this all week) and in reality a real negative to the rock that most folks on this site enjoy and grew up with. Grammys are a glitter event and basically so commercialized that i hate to say it but classic or southern rock has little or no part. The skymnard-Betts fiasco did not do much to help and but that is also OK from my view.

ABB is so far above that garbage that despite loving what Dickie did and in his day he was one of the best (musician,writer and singer all in one), you kind of understand why he is no longer with the group.

 

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  posted on 2/15/2005 at 03:44 PM
damn...dickey washed up? NOT.

have you seen DB&GS? **** ING FANTASTIC.

too much negativity toward Mr. Betts, man....bad karma....

 

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  posted on 2/15/2005 at 03:44 PM
But the Grammy's is full of washed up artists... to me, most mainstream groups appear on the grammy's because they're most popular amoung teenagers... not saying Dickey Betts is mainstream, he's deffinitly not, but how often do you see a southern rock group on the grammys?

 

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  posted on 2/15/2005 at 03:46 PM
I think the original members of the ABB are dicks. It's the youngblood that keeps the band moving now. The drums would sound empty without Marc and theres a million people who can play piano much better than Gregg. The only thing he's useful for is his singing, which Warren can do, and his last name.

 

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  posted on 2/15/2005 at 03:47 PM
Wow.... here comes the arguement. Maybe you should keep your negative comments on an ABB forum to yourself, or head over to the LS forum.. because you have nothing to back your negativity up with besides saying a musican is bad... just makes you look like a bigger dick than you already are.

 

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  posted on 2/15/2005 at 03:53 PM
Just remember what was said in the monolouge prior to the jam.......
Here is the original Jam Band The Allman Brothers Band and the Ultimate Bar Band Lynyrd Skynyrd
That is what Skynyrd is. They were never able to rekindle the magic or the fire they once had. I love Skynyrd's music do not get me wrong. The Brothers were able to rekindle the magic and fire that is why they are in the Hall of Fame, creating sold out nights all over America and Skynyrd is not.This is the reason I pay so much of my hard earned money to see the brothers play anywhere and stop in for a free Skynyrd show at the Big Easy in Springfield Mass just because I was there.

 

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  posted on 2/15/2005 at 03:53 PM
I definately think the almans are in a way better position to skynnard today. I mean skynnard is good and all but there not the same. The allmans have kept it up to par and kept there music progressing while playing the classics. Calling the old original allmans dicks is outragoes they set up the foundation for the jamband music we have today... god bless them.
 

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  posted on 2/15/2005 at 04:00 PM
Actually I do have backup, you just didn't ask for it.

Gregg, Butch, and Jaimoe are dicks. Dickey carries the band for 25 years. In those 25 years, Gregg and co. are sitting on their asses **** ing Cher, doing coke, and who knows what else. While they're off having fun, Dickey is working his ass off to keep the band going. Then, Gregg and co. decide to kick him out. After they do that, they play his songs. If they wanted to play his songs, then why did they kick him out? "The crowd wants to hear it". Well if the crowd wants to hear Dickey's songs then they obviously want to hear Dickey. Gregg and co.'s reasons for kicking out Dickey are things like he was playing bad, he wasn't open to new songs, and he was drunk all the time. Well, Gregg's playing wasn't too spectacular either, the drums didn't sound amazing. If they didn't want Dickey pulling them down then they shouldn't have gone down with him.

 

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  posted on 2/15/2005 at 04:02 PM
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think the original members of the ABB are dicks. It's the youngblood that keeps the band moving now. The drums would sound empty without Marc and theres a million people who can play piano much better than Gregg. The only thing he's useful for is his singing, which Warren can do, and his last name.



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Actually I do have backup, you just didn't ask for it.

Gregg, Butch, and Jaimoe are dicks. Dickey carries the band for 25 years. In those 25 years, Gregg and co. are sitting on their asses **** ing Cher, doing coke, and who knows what else. While they're off having fun, Dickey is working his ass off to keep the band going. Then, Gregg and co. decide to kick him out. After they do that, they play his songs. If they wanted to play his songs, then why did they kick him out? "The crowd wants to hear it". Well if the crowd wants to hear Dickey's songs then they obviously want to hear Dickey. Gregg and co.'s reasons for kicking out Dickey are things like he was playing bad, he wasn't open to new songs, and he was drunk all the time. Well, Gregg's playing wasn't too spectacular either, the drums didn't sound amazing. If they didn't want Dickey pulling them down then they shouldn't have gone down with him.




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  posted on 2/15/2005 at 04:07 PM
I can't believe you called Jaimoe a dick! Let's not forget he got fired once too you know...

 

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  posted on 2/15/2005 at 04:10 PM
I can see where this is going. So in the name of keeping things cool, I'd like to propose the following.

1) If someone has an opinion about any member of the Brothers, both past and present, they should be able to voice that opinion without catching flak. If you think Gregg can't play, Dickey is a jerk, Derek is overrated, etc. then you should be able to say so. Those who disagree can spell out why. But it doesn't do anyone any good telling them they should go elsewhere.

2) While I love Dickey, he has slipped somewhat. He would have had to. There has never been another guitar player that has pushed the limits of his talent for as long as Dickey has. Not Clapton, not Townshend, not Page, not Buddy Guy, no one. So let's cop him some slack. I don't expect a man Dickey's age to be able to play with the stamina that a young dude like Derek Trucks can. That isn't a criticism. Most guys don't last half as long as Dickey. (Not that he should have been fired. It still pisses me off but I have tried to accept it and move on.)

3) The Grammys are a joke. I don't consider the quality of Dickey's appearance to be a reflection on him at all. There were too many guitarists on stage and they kept getting in each other's way. Medleys with bands of that size invariably suck.

4) Skynyrd can't hold a candle to the Brothers. Good band but they don't have the chops of the Brothers.



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  posted on 2/15/2005 at 04:11 PM
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Actually I do have backup, you just didn't ask for it.

Gregg, Butch, and Jaimoe are dicks. Dickey carries the band for 25 years. In those 25 years, Gregg and co. are sitting on their asses **** ing Cher, doing coke, and who knows what else. While they're off having fun, Dickey is working his ass off to keep the band going. Then, Gregg and co. decide to kick him out. After they do that, they play his songs. If they wanted to play his songs, then why did they kick him out? "The crowd wants to hear it". Well if the crowd wants to hear Dickey's songs then they obviously want to hear Dickey. Gregg and co.'s reasons for kicking out Dickey are things like he was playing bad, he wasn't open to new songs, and he was drunk all the time. Well, Gregg's playing wasn't too spectacular either, the drums didn't sound amazing. If they didn't want Dickey pulling them down then they shouldn't have gone down with him.



I'd like to hear this band "Gregg and co."

Brother, you'd understand how hard it is to multitask... playing organ and singing beautiful lyrics, off the top of your head is a lot harder than you'd think. Gregg never said he was spectacular at organ.. and why are Butch and Jaimoe dicks? The story is a lot more in depth than Dickey just being a drunk... The brothers had to find people to sub for Dickey an hour before the show... why do you think Zakk W. played. I don't know much about why they kicked Dickey out, but that doesn't make Dickey gods gift, and it certainly doesn't make The three striving members dicks.

 

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  posted on 2/15/2005 at 04:14 PM
the allman brothers then 70s and now are far superior to lynyrd skynrd, not knocking ls,but would you compare journey to yes,,,,,,,jethro tull to foreigner, you get the point ls had some great early classic albums, but in the scheme of things a opening act for the allman to follow,not everyone can be at the top, today LS not too impressive, saw them super bowl night in jax not good,in all due respect could LS pack the Beacon for 8 nights from people all over the country and globe, i think not!!!!!!!no diisssin LS but the allmans today new and old members are the hottest live band out there today!!!!!!!1give it up!!!!!!!!!!1
 

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  posted on 2/15/2005 at 04:14 PM
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Just remember what was said in the monolouge prior to the jam.......
Here is the original Jam Band The Allman Brothers Band and the Ultimate Bar Band Lynyrd Skynyrd
Now I still think that should have been said naked with bongos...

 

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  posted on 2/15/2005 at 04:16 PM
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Now I still think that should have been said naked with bongos...


bwahhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!

oh man thanks for the visual...i think i need a cigarette now.......

 

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  posted on 2/15/2005 at 04:18 PM
"Gregg, Butch, and Jaimoe are dicks".

You are pretty right on about the first two. But not Jamoe. That guy is
a class act!

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I'd like to hear this band "Gregg and co."

Brother, you'd understand how hard it is to multitask... playing organ and singing beautiful lyrics, off the top of your head is a lot harder than you'd think. Gregg never said he was spectacular at organ.. and why are Butch and Jaimoe dicks? The story is a lot more in depth than Dickey just being a drunk... The brothers had to find people to sub for Dickey an hour before the show... why do you think Zakk W. played. I don't know much about why they kicked Dickey out, but that doesn't make Dickey gods gift, and it certainly doesn't make The three striving members dicks.


Playing organ and singing is easy as hell...my four year old cousin can do it, so can I. Butch and Jaimoe are dick because they helped in kicking Dickey out. Dickey had to find someone to sub for Gregg: 12/31/73. Gregg was too drunk to play the whole second set so Boz Skaggs sat in for him. Jerry Garcia, Bill Kreutzman, and Les Dudek also sat in for a jam session that went from a little into the second until the end of the show. Do you think the ABB wanted to sacrfice half their show to just a long jam? They weren't planning on. Gregg isn't gods gift himself.

 

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  posted on 2/15/2005 at 04:48 PM
You'll have to include Dickey being a dick as well than because he had a part in firing Jaimoe.

 

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  posted on 2/15/2005 at 04:54 PM
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Playing organ and singing is easy as hell...my four year old cousin can do it, so can I. Butch and Jaimoe are dick because they helped in kicking Dickey out. Dickey had to find someone to sub for Gregg: 12/31/73. Gregg was too drunk to play the whole second set so Boz Skaggs sat in for him. Jerry Garcia, Bill Kreutzman, and Les Dudek also sat in for a jam session that went from a little into the second until the end of the show. Do you think the ABB wanted to sacrfice half their show to just a long jam? They weren't planning on. Gregg isn't gods gift himself.


why do you bother to listen to them if they all suck so much then?

 

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  posted on 2/15/2005 at 04:59 PM
Unbelieveable!

 

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  posted on 2/15/2005 at 05:05 PM
Wow another dead horse being beatin to death..........

None of us know exactly went on in the band before Dickey was let go.

If you like the music of either band or Dickey's why does it have to negative to the other. I don't get it.

I've always loved the ABB and LS was something I did listen to as a teenager. For me I out grew what LS did but the ABB still put's on a hair raising shows. Derek and Warren have infused new life into this band. Is there really something wrong with that????

We should have Rowland and Lana put up another sticky thread so people will have another dead horse to beat without starting new threads each week for something that has been whipped and flogged for over 4 yrs. Although it should be in the Whipping post forum............

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  posted on 2/15/2005 at 05:05 PM
Pam said "dick".

 

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  posted on 2/15/2005 at 05:08 PM
I certainly wasn't going to shows in '73, but I was in the fourth row at the HORDE Festival in '94. Brothers came out and played a couple songs, then Dickey sauntered up to the mic and said something like "HEY YAAWLLLLLLLLL! We're gonna play some newwww songs and some oooold songs and we're just gonna uhhhh uhhhhh argghhhhh...." and at this point he tried to take a step forward while waving his hat and damn near fell flat on his face. I'm guessing the cups perched on his amp weren't all water. So, comparing how messed up one guy was over the next at whatever point in time in the band's history is pointless.

They absolutely rocked that whole evening, BTW.

Gregg made a decision to not become yet another cliched dead rock star. Thank God for that! Among other things, Dickey didn't want to put down the bottle. So, they parted ways. Besides, these guys have known each other for years and no one will ever know but them the whole story about everything.

But, as to the topic of this thread, hearing "Sweet Home Alabama" on classic rock radio for the 5,000th time this week still sounds better than what LS tries to do live today. In contrast, the ABB shows that from time to time reinvention keeps you fresh, sometimes you just have no other option but to make hard choices and tough changes.

 

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