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  posted on 1/17/2005 at 10:18 PM
I just got the Fox Box set. Jack proves why he was he better fit for the ABB than Derek's slide work. Derek is off screeching somewhere while Jack is so mellow and soulful.

Too bad Dickey could get his **** together and share the spotlight. They put on some awesome shows together, much better than the Derek -Warren vrew!

Duane was just too good to ever follow, though. (And listen to the old shows; Dickey gets very little credit but his contributions were enormous!

 
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  posted on 1/18/2005 at 01:33 AM
Ok, that's your opinion.

 

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  posted on 1/19/2005 at 03:30 PM
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Derek is off screeching somewhere while Jack is so mellow and soulful.


Derek wasn't on stage for "Dreams" numbnuts.

Jack is awesome, and I wish he was still in the band, but Derek is just as good.

 

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  posted on 1/19/2005 at 03:44 PM
I'm gonna need to get my fox box to make a statement on this argument. Jack is great but I see Derek whenever i possibly can, either with abb or with dtb, he's unbelievable

 

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  posted on 1/22/2005 at 06:23 PM
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I just got the Fox Box set. Jack proves why he was he better fit for the ABB than Derek's slide work. Derek is off screeching somewhere while Jack is so mellow and soulful.

Too bad Dickey could get his **** together and share the spotlight. They put on some awesome shows together, much better than the Derek -Warren vrew!

Duane was just too good to ever follow, though. (And listen to the old shows; Dickey gets very little credit but his contributions were enormous!


wtf, derek is a bizillion times better than jack, in my opinion. The derek and warren combo is much better than a dickey and jack combo, but this is also my opinion.

 

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  posted on 1/22/2005 at 07:06 PM
Ok. If you are gonna compare them on just dreams at the fox, I do happen to like Jack's version a little better. That being said, I think derek is the superrior guitarist by far, not to say i dont like jack pearson, but derek just blows my mind whenever i hear him.

 

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  posted on 1/25/2005 at 02:22 PM
derek is the by far the best fit for the abb right now. he is just awesome. period.
 

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  posted on 1/25/2005 at 07:06 PM
i just heard jacks solo on dreams at the fox, and it did not impress me at all. derek's solo gets the crowd into it, and just is awsome. im with bluesman.

 

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  posted on 1/26/2005 at 06:28 AM
apples and oranges...

Jack's 45, Derek's 25...

Derek sends shivers up my spine, Jack makes me shake my head in amazement

Derek's attack is great, Jack's fluidity gets me

I like Derek's identity and ability to make the certain licks fit in just about any context

I like Jack's versatility, creativity and lack of repetition from show to show

I like Derek's open mindedness to melody and harmony, and the way he uses "out" notes to build tension up in his solos

I like Jack's open mindendess to grouping of notes, the way he plays across and around the bar line

I like Derek's tone

I like Jack's tone

I like Derek's unassuming stage demeanour

I like Jack's unassuming stage demeanour

I like Derek's playing outside the ABB

I like Jack's playing outside the ABB

In short: BOTH OF THEM ROCK MY WORLD!

 

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  posted on 2/4/2005 at 01:24 PM
"wtf, derek is a bizillion times better than jack, in my opinion. The derek and warren combo is much better than a dickey and jack combo, but this is also my opinion."

I really prefer the derek/warren combo better, but I would never say Jack is a bizillion times better than Jack. In fact, if they're not equal, it would be hard to say who's better, they're very different, yet similar in some ways. In fact I feel Derek is the only one who sounds like Jack sometimes.

Jack is amazing and far under-rated. - I think I like his performance on the 10/4/05 show better than the 9/25/05 Fox show, though. Actually, they're both spectacular. - If you haven't heard 10/4/05, you should consider buying it. It's amazing. The three of them playing together on "The Same Thing" & "Mountain Jam" is mind-blowing. (Check out Warren's "Jungle Boogie" tease in "The Same Thing".)

 

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  posted on 2/4/2005 at 03:27 PM
Glad to see someone give the Knoxville show some props.I was front row for this,and it was epic! When they were trading licks on Same Thing,Derek had his eyes closed and everytime he heard Jack he would just get a huge smile. And Otiel went into overdrive when Jack hit the stage. In a year of spectacular shows this was one of my favorite moments!

 

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  posted on 2/4/2005 at 07:16 PM
Yes, it's clear that the band really love playing with him. "The Same Thing" alone is a peak of the entire year for me. Jaimoe, Gregg, Butch, Oteil & Derek have all given huge props to Jack and you tell from hearing them play with him that it is very genuine.

Wish I could've seen that Knoxville show in person. What a great closing hour or so.

 

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  posted on 2/5/2005 at 07:25 PM
Having listened to the Fox version of "Dreams" and a version from a Raleigh show a few times now to compare them, I don't understand how can you say Derek isn't soulful. Derek is all soul. He plays with more emotion and passion than any guitarist I can think of. He may not show it with his body, but his music speaks.
 

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  posted on 2/5/2005 at 08:04 PM
It's all down to what you like. Personally, I think Jack Pearson is my favorite guitar player of all time, but I do understand why some people don't really get him. Also, that's not to take away from any other guitar player, right behind Jack would be Jimmy Herring & Derek Trucks. That doesn't mean I'm right, or that any one of these guys is better for any particular situation.

It doesn't really matter what anyone thinks anyway, Derek & Warren are the ABB guitar players now and probably will be for a long time. Personally, I love that and if I didn't, I probably wouldn't be listening to them right now...

 

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  posted on 2/11/2005 at 03:03 PM
Slidejules, excellent analysis of the two players and their effects on you.

It's peculiar how Jack comes back and I salivate to hear more of him. I bet, though, that if Jack was full time and Derek sat in, I'd salivate to have Derek back.

Too bad they can't alternate song to song

 

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  posted on 2/12/2005 at 05:09 AM
What slidejules said. Could not be said more beautifully.
 

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  posted on 2/12/2005 at 11:03 PM
Finally, someone said it. They both are AMAZING, even if it is in their own contexts. after all, they arent the same guitarist with the exact same ideas in mind...thank you slidejules

 

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  posted on 3/9/2005 at 11:33 AM
I always have thought that the Dickey/Jack years were the weakest since the 89 reunion.

I don't mean that to specificially dog Jack, but that was the least interesting lineup to me. I had already been a big Derek fan before he ever joined the band, and I don't know if I've ever heard happier news than the day I heard Derek was joining the ABB.

Jack WAS awesome at the Fox, though, and is a great musician.

 
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  posted on 3/9/2005 at 11:44 AM
Hey guys, nice to post an opinion and find others agree! thanks :-)

Rob, actually I agree with you. 97-99 are musically not the most inspiring since the reunion, at all. If you look at the bigger picture though, something worth remembering also is that Jack had come into the band at an uncertain, and also musically stagnant, time for the band. The fact that towards the back of 96 Frogwings was beginning to do its thing, and that Gregg was gigging a lot in the downtime back then (in the run up to and off the back of Searching for Simplicity) tends to make me assume that the core members (and not just Warren and Allen) were feeling, if not bored, then at least uninspired by the state of the ABB at that point. A tricky situation for any musician to walk into, and I am fully of the opinion that had Jack not played so well, and in such an unassuming and calm manner, the ABB wouldn't be around today.

Derek did a lot to win new fans in 99, although still the lack of new material was apparent (sorry, Rave On doesn't really do it for me). 2000 Jimmy/Derek tho... to me that's probably the most fire the band has played with since Duane and Dickey. They had some quite dramatic explaining to do in having dumped Dickey and I figured they justified themselves, and some.

Anyway, I'm rambling. Back to work!

 

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  posted on 3/9/2005 at 12:31 PM
Exactly, Jules. Jack came into the band at arguably its worst point in the last 15 years. With all due respect to those who were/are brokenhearted about Dickey's departure, I was far more disturbed by Warren and Allen leaving, and more pessimistic about the band's future.

I would also say that although I am a BIG Oteil fan, I think it took him a few years to really get the knack of playing with the Allman Brothers. The 98 Fox shows with Jack were great, though, and you are correct that he deserves a lot of credit for keeping the band going.

 
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  posted on 5/10/2005 at 04:27 PM
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With all due respect to those who were/are brokenhearted about Dickey's departure, I was far more disturbed by Warren and Allen leaving, and more pessimistic about the band's future.


I agree 100%... When Dickey left I was like, " Alright, let's see what these guys can do now"

When Warren and Allen left I was like, " Oh my God, now what?"

 

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  posted on 6/19/2005 at 03:09 PM
Just My 2 cents but Jack is a more Mature Player and Derek is still learning and experimenting ,Both of them are freeking Great, give derek a few years to learn patiencewhile playing right now IMO he is just lighting it up cause he can....

I first heard the allman brothers in 1969 it was the slow melodic playing of Duane that hooked me so i have a soft spot for Jacks playing as In my Opinion it is truer to the original.But all things progress and the new ABB is a far better version than alot of the others have been and they are writing again and playing wicked sick shows....i have seen the new version now 3 times and each and every show was great,i also saw Jack play and it was a different show from today,things move on but some things will always be the same ,give them both Credit they are both great...

 

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  posted on 8/17/2005 at 12:22 AM
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I just got the Fox Box set. Jack proves why he was he better fit for the ABB than Derek's slide work. Derek is off screeching somewhere while Jack is so mellow and soulful.

Too bad Dickey could get his **** together and share the spotlight. They put on some awesome shows together, much better than the Derek -Warren vrew!

Duane was just too good to ever follow, though. (And listen to the old shows; Dickey gets very little credit but his contributions were enormous!


umm yeah numbnuts about says it best. Screeching?????? What the hell are you listening to? Listen to him play Dreams To Remember, Gambler's Roll, or Dreams, for that matter. If anyone screeches on Dreams it's Warren.

 

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  posted on 8/17/2005 at 12:24 AM
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Just My 2 cents but Jack is a more Mature Player and Derek is still learning and experimenting ,Both of them are freeking Great, give derek a few years to learn patiencewhile playing right now IMO he is just lighting it up cause he can....

I first heard the allman brothers in 1969 it was the slow melodic playing of Duane that hooked me so i have a soft spot for Jacks playing as In my Opinion it is truer to the original.But all things progress and the new ABB is a far better version than alot of the others have been and they are writing again and playing wicked sick shows....i have seen the new version now 3 times and each and every show was great,i also saw Jack play and it was a different show from today,things move on but some things will always be the same ,give them both Credit they are both great...


more mature. hahahahahahaha. ok. i'mdone now. If you say Derek doesn't play with soul then you musn't have a soul.

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  posted on 8/17/2005 at 08:30 AM
Look, I hear the comment about Derek not being the most mature player in the family. I think it makes sense. Don't you think he'll contintue to refine himself and his playing for years to come?

As far as him lacking soul, I've already said my piece on that in another thread.

 

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