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Author: Subject: INSTANT LIVE AND ABB ARCHIVAL CD's ARE NOT FOR TRADE!

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  posted on 6/27/2005 at 09:18 AM
Once the band is convinced that there is $$$ to be made at minimal cost to them, we'll start seeing Pay to Download shows....unless of course the band has an iron clad contract with Clear Channel that forbids that sort of thing.

(FYI Instant Live = Clear Channel)

 

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  posted on 6/29/2005 at 04:30 PM
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Once the band is convinced that there is $$$ to be made at minimal cost to them, we'll start seeing Pay to Download shows....unless of course the band has an iron clad contract with Clear Channel that forbids that sort of thing.

(FYI Instant Live = Clear Channel)


I know that. That's why they can only do it at clear channel venues.

 

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  posted on 7/7/2005 at 04:06 PM
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=307&item=474 3885233&rd=1

what are you supposed to do about people like this? if instant live is not for trade, I'm sure it's not for sale.

 

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  posted on 7/7/2005 at 11:34 PM
i agree completely. It's a shame some people will do anything to make a buck. They're not true ABB fans

 

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  posted on 7/20/2005 at 07:40 PM
Suppose I buy an Instant Live and don't care for it. I have every right to sell it to somebody else. The copyright infringement comes in if a) you're making copies and selling those, or b) you're keeping a copy for yourself and then selling it.

The legal, though most agree unethical, abuse of this is when people buy instant lives at the shows for $25.00 and then sell them on ebay to the highest bidder before the shows are available through HTN. I think last year's Chicago show got up to about $200.00. I assume the buyers are unaware that they can buy legit copies from HTN after the summer run for their orginal prices.

Same thing goes for ebay bootleggers in general; they're feeding off of the ignorance of music fans looking for quality material. Just the other day I "rescued" the high bidder in an auction for the A&R studios show. I sent him the show for free, and he really appreciated it. The guy saw some live Duane for sale that he'd never heard of it, so he tried to purchase it. Can't fault anybody for that. The sellers know damn well what they're doing, though. In a lot of cases, the slimeballs are probably getting the shows from us, too. That's what really burns me up.

Sorry for the rant.

 

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  posted on 7/21/2005 at 07:47 AM
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The legal, though most agree unethical, abuse of this is when people buy instant lives at the shows for $25.00 and then sell them on ebay to the highest bidder before the shows are available through HTN. I think last year's Chicago show got up to about $200.00. I assume the buyers are unaware that they can buy legit copies from HTN after the summer run for their orginal prices.


How is this any different from what Ticket Master is doing? I didn't hear the outcome but I heard that Ticketmaster was being challenged on their practices enabling all of the best tix to be sold with the intention of being resold at a higher price. Perhaps the outcome will give some direction to the practice of doing the same thing with Instant Lives.

 

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  posted on 7/21/2005 at 04:40 PM
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I think Rowland's post should belong somewhere on the main page.

This very question gets asked here waaaay too much.

Is there a way to keep this thread on page one of this Forum? Maybe it should be in the FAQ, too.


If you want to keep it up Marley , people could just put a smiley as a reply to keep it alive and on the front page!

 

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  posted on 7/21/2005 at 04:41 PM
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Where I see this the most is in the Have Recordings/Want Recordings sections following the setlists of the IL dates. Check 9/25/04, for instance. I was a bit surprised by the brazeness of the offers, as I hadn't seen this at all in the Trades forum.

[Edited on 1/3/2005 by TopDroog]


And you won't.

Anytime we see an offer, someone points out that only a purchased, official show can be swapped for another purchased, official show.

Not CDR copies.

My etree list does have a few IL shows listed, but I haven't been able to notate Not For Trade.

Funny thing is, no one has asked me to trade those listed.


Glad you're not a bootleg bandito!

 

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  posted on 7/30/2005 at 09:12 AM
Anyone who trades on this forum knows where the trades go down. I've never gone to the setlist tourdate section to get shows. Perhaps there are those who do but they are obviously the ones that are willing to break the rules concerning Instant Lives. Maybe it's best to eliminate the "Haves & Wants" from there since there is a rather extensive protion of the Forum dedicated to Trades & Vines.

 

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  posted on 8/9/2005 at 02:15 PM
Believe it or not I found this interresting once I got around to reading the entire thing. I prefer collecting commercial recordings with cash myself...
On a side note: ascap and Bmi have been frowning on the- trade in- resale of cds for sometime ,mostly because the artist doesn't get anything from the resale. I have few brothers ones that way .. but I had bought the album orginally(my rationalization)... we all need to rationalize from time to time...

Yeah, I was telling someone to buy Macon 72 and they returned my e -mail by saying they traded for it or somebody burned it for them....I was surprised at that ..... I was trying the get the band another sale at the time...

 

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  posted on 8/12/2005 at 12:19 PM
If you've read this whole thing then you probably understand that the only shows that are tradeable are the ones that have not been officially released. So the ban d isn't losing money if your bud sticks to unofficial releases. Otherwise you should tell him not to buy the illegal boots. Most of the time they're inferioro to what he should buy anyway.

 

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  posted on 8/17/2005 at 09:20 PM
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On a side note: ascap and Bmi have been frowning on the- trade in- resale of cds for sometime ,mostly because the artist doesn't get anything from the resale.


Well, I'm not a lawyer, but too bad for them. They made their money when I bought my copy new in the store (for instance). If I choose to sell the media and my rights to the material, that's my business.

 

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  posted on 8/18/2005 at 01:54 PM
buying it at the show and selling it on e-bay for 200 dollars like some do, is a moral crime to me. Crock of **** .

 

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  posted on 8/18/2005 at 03:20 PM
Well, I'd agree with that. I'm talking about getting 3-4 bucks for stuff you don't want anymore from a used CD shop.

 

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  posted on 8/21/2005 at 12:27 PM
Wow, long thread.

I'm slightly confused and I haven't seen this addressed, but I might have missed it, sorry if I did...are all the Instant Live shows available through this website at some point?

I'm particularly interested in the recent Aug 20th show because it had Chuck Leavell, and Instant Live didn't record his Toronto appearance..I understand it did distribute this show so I would like a copy.

Can I get one from this site?

Sorry to interrupt the thread, feel free to argue around this post.

 

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  posted on 8/22/2005 at 07:28 AM
I hope they are available.

It makes sense they would be....it would help keep people from trading them if they were available. It won't stop it...some people just can't be cool no matter how easy you make it for them....but it will surely allow all the good people who want it to purchase it directly from the band.

How easy is that?

 

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  posted on 8/22/2005 at 09:54 AM
JNB said they will be available after the tour is over.

 

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  posted on 8/29/2005 at 01:27 AM
No Bitchin" allowed wit da bros. They are our last best hope for real music in this twisted hip hop POP world. Whatever they do or play is fully acceptable by me. DO NOT BASH,.... They DO NOT deserve it !

 

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  posted on 8/29/2005 at 08:18 PM
who the hell is bashing them? take some anger medicine man.

 

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  posted on 10/3/2005 at 12:31 PM
Ryan Adams has an FTP site of live recordings and unreleased material, which is available for download. Some of the fans became aware that somebody (I cant remember his name) was downloading this stuff and flogging it on Ebay, selling it as an offical release. They petitioned Ebay and got his account closed down.

Maybe if anybody sees IL's for sale on Ebay, they should do the same thing.

 

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  posted on 10/10/2005 at 03:21 PM
yea rowland you tell it the way it is
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  posted on 1/6/2006 at 09:01 AM
Anyone know if they will be doing Instant Live for this years Beacon run?
 

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  posted on 1/13/2006 at 06:05 PM
most likely not...
 

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  posted on 1/22/2006 at 11:01 AM
I'm anxiously awaiting my 2005 Instant Live recordings. Has anyone received theirs yet from the preorder?

Zam

[Edited on 1/22/2006 by Zam]

 

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  posted on 3/13/2006 at 12:54 PM
please do not burn these and trade them..

 

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