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  posted on 8/11/2002 at 08:03 PM
To those who would bootleg...
I've seen a few posts lately from folks who are willing to hand over cash for ABB live shows. This is a no-no! The band forbids profiteering from their music, and besides, there are a bunch of great people on the this board who are willing to give shows away. There are many others who will burn shows for you for the cost of return postage and the number of blanks the show is. (B&P offers- blanks and postage)
If you find someone who is selling shows, they should be reported to the band immediately, so they can be shut down.
If you're looking for some of the b&p offers, you're almost there, just scroll down the Board Index to Newbies or Trades and get in on some of the fabulous offers right here on the boards. I offer many up myself and, tho' I'm up to my armpits in 'em right now, I'll be offering again soon!

 

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  posted on 8/11/2002 at 09:29 PM
ABBsolutely correct finklewicz (someday you'll have to tell me where that name comes from...)

Anyway, folks here are more than willing to give shows away, or burn them just for the return postage and the blank discs (just look in the Newbies and Trade sections below...)

I wonder if finklewicz's message above should be put in the Newbie and Trades sections (like how CliffnTina's BnP message is always there for reference...)

BTW - Jeremy - how come you're posting - don't you have a hundred thousand copies to make

 

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  posted on 8/11/2002 at 09:45 PM
I was going to make ten maybe fifteen Lynyrd Skynyrd freebies for a guy who cannot even copy the shows. I have about $2000 invested in my equipment, computer, two burners, tape deck with speed control. Is there some great harm in asking for a small service charge for my time, my generosity. I just got in some ultra rare skynyrd. Should I just gleefully give it away to people who will not be able to copy it, who may not even appreciate it? I know for a fact that I am most certainly not selling the music. I asked for a minimal amount of return for a large "free" burn. I don't ever ask for money on a b and p. I know I do not sell shows. I sent $10 to a guy for his time and he burned me 25 abb cds. I gave it to him in the spirit of gratitude. This is not selling abb shows. What do some of you think about a very small service charge for when someone burns a bunch of free cds for someone. I don't think it is such a bad thing. You know, I don't even know these people. I do b and p's for people and often I am not even thanked. I never hear from them. I sent out 5 abb handbills. One guy thanked me. I think Fincklewicz was the one who thanked me, or it was someone else. But, No, do not pay anyone for shows. I paid for shows on yahoo before I ever knew about the trading community. Fu*k the bootlegers. That is old school. Trading has put those Fu*ks out of business. Peace. Dean

 

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  posted on 8/11/2002 at 10:17 PM
SM I've gotta disagree.

Cash for shows is just plain wrong. Don't do it.



 

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  posted on 8/11/2002 at 10:29 PM
The only people who should make money off the music is the bands.Iwant to thank all of the people who b&p and do Freebies.I'm just getting a collection of shows started with the help of some very kind people on this site.They have my thanks and respect and down the road I hope to pass on some music to others.Peace
 
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  posted on 8/12/2002 at 12:26 AM
I decided to post this subject here because I think a lot new folks to the site don't make it past the band members on the board index, and I've seen a couple of cash offers here. I thought it might catch more attention here. Seems it has struck a cord, if nothing else!

 

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  posted on 8/12/2002 at 02:10 AM
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To those who would bootleg...
I've seen a few posts lately from folks who are willing to hand over cash for ABB live shows. This is a no-no! The band forbids profiteering from their music, and besides, there are a bunch of great people on the this board who are willing to give shows away. There are many others who will burn shows for you for the cost of return postage and the number of blanks the show is. (B&P offers- blanks and postage)
If you find someone who is selling shows, they should be reported to the band immediately, so they can be shut down.
If you're looking for some of the b&p offers, you're almost there, just scroll down the Board Index to Newbies or Trades and get in on some of the fabulous offers right here on the boards. I offer many up myself and, tho' I'm up to my armpits in 'em right now, I'll be offering again soon!



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  posted on 8/12/2002 at 05:15 AM
Just one band's stated policy... in part:

"Duplication
All participants in audio recording exchange (regardless of format)
acknowledge and respect the copyrights and exclusive ownership of
the music and performances by the performers, writers and
publishers. All taping must be for personal use only, which may
include trading (via analog or digital tape, CD, or digital file
transfer). Recordings may be traded only for an equivalent amount
of similar media (cassettes or CDs, pre-recorded or blank)."

 

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  posted on 8/12/2002 at 08:09 AM
Well now I've got mud on my face... I traded a couple shows one time for a beer (not all were ABB)... I'm sorry to find out that's against the band's policy...
I guess I won't be doin' that again. The shame of it all...

Thanks, CliffnTina, for clearing up a couple of issues!

 

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  posted on 8/12/2002 at 08:12 AM
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I decided to post this subject here because I think a lot new folks to the site don't make it past the band members on the board index, and I've seen a couple of cash offers here. I thought it might catch more attention here. Seems it has struck a cord, if nothing else!

It was pointed out to me that I'm an illitarit boob... The proper term is "struck a chord".

Oh, the shame of it all...

 

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  posted on 8/12/2002 at 03:50 PM
Hello to all, this is a very interesting subject! I dont have a burner so i rely on b&p's, without you kind people taking time out of your day to burn shows i would have nothing, and i appreciate it! If someone is offering a b&p i dont think they should charge $$. There are basic rules for a b&p, send out blanks, a return envelope with postage, and you get your show.

Dean, i understand your point of view but if i had to pay for a show, it wouldn't be a b&p. As far as what to do with a rare show there are a couple of different opinions on this, ( i post on black crowes .org and this comes up all the time) some think you have to offer it up because the band would want the music to be heard by as many fans as possible, others say no way you keep it to trade for something else equally as rare. It is a debate i haven't seen won yet!

The last subject i want to touch base on is common courteously. Unfortunately not everybody was taught to use manners! I think if someone is kind enough to burn a show for you then the least you can do in return is send them a emai THANKING them for taking some time out of their day for you! I ALWAYS send one, but that was how i was brought up!

Sorry for rambling on here!

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  posted on 8/12/2002 at 06:07 PM
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Is there some great harm in asking for a small service charge for my time, my generosity. I just got in some ultra rare skynyrd. Should I just gleefully give it away to people who will not be able to copy it, who may not even appreciate it?


Yes Dean, you do give it away unless you trade equal disc for equal disc or do a b&p. I can't believe that publicy you wrote because you have spent so much money on equipment and bootlegs that you feel it necessary to ask for a donation. That's sick and sends a message to others that that's the way to do it, when in fact it's not. I and most everyone else who trades is part of the Brotherhood. That's special to me, to bad your missing out....

These 3 options in my opinion are the only way to trade music.

1- Trade uqual for equal disc
2- B&P, meaning someone sends you the apporiate blanks w/a return mailer and postage that you agree upon
3- FREE !!!! meaning you burn your blanks put them in your envelope and affix your postage to it ( and not to worry if someone does'nt apperciate it when they get it )

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  posted on 8/12/2002 at 07:56 PM
Clay, he is NOT sending the message that this is the way things are done. The message he sends is that he cares less for the music than he does for status. Ultra-rare digitally reproduced music is a contradiction in terms.

 

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  posted on 8/12/2002 at 09:22 PM
Nobody should be takin diddly for someone elses music no matter what you do to it We're in it to share the music, spread it and pass it on to further generations. The tapers dont take a freakin dime for thier hard work and they usually have to travel to a city, unload, set up, tape, tear down, load out, travel home most likely, transfer the music from DAT or whatever medium, then do all thier back up **** to get the tapes ready to distibute, not to mention feedin thier face at some point. These dudes have a ton of $$$ and thier valuable time wrapped up in this endeavor. They got a bunch of bucks tied up in thier gear too and Ive never heard of any of them asking to be re-imbursed for that investment. Id be embarrassed to state how much I have invested building a studio for my stand-alone mastering gear, custom built PC for the studio, studio monitors etc. And Id be equally embarrassed to state how much time I actually spend each day in the studio processing and mastering ABB stuff. BUT, the ultimate embarrassment and lower than a snakes belly in a wagon wheel rut, would be to ask for a freakin penny of reimbursement for workin on the shows of the bands we follow and profess a loyalty too. Amen amigos
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  posted on 8/13/2002 at 01:19 AM
Amen!

 

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  posted on 8/13/2002 at 05:18 PM
Okay, Okay, Okay, Okay. I read you all loud and clear. I will tell Pawel to keep the ten bucks. And I do care more about getting the Lynyrd Skynyrd shows out there more than hanging on to them. One show from Manchester, England is also a tad slow. I need to speed it up a tad. I will then offer that one up in the forum. The Boston show is not very good quality. The London, England show may be good for a freebie, I need to check it out. And maybe no one remembers, but it was I who slowed down the first tape of the 9/21/75 Boston abb show. I slowed it down to the splice at Stormy Monday. I then got Clay a copy. Between just the two of us, we must have gotten forty copies of the show out. Before I slowed the first disc/tape down, it sounded like the abb/chipmunks. Anyway, I was glad to tweak the show a little. I am no Capt'n Skipper, but I can work on speed a little. So, I stand SHAMED. I do, however, tire of someone who is too good to send me a stamp so I can give away a disc. "Freebie" to me, is "my rules." So now someone else is getting the Black Sabbath disc.

And to another topic, in my recent aquistion of 16 discs, I received 4 types of discs, Memorex, Emtrec, Imation and TDK. We both had stated that we would trade quality media, which ruled out the first three brands above. So, now I have to copy about 12 discs onto the TDK blanks that I have, simply because I do not trust the discs I got. I am out now about $5, and I guess I will not trade with that guy again. This is the first time anyone every stated that they did not want junk discs, and then turned around and then "apparrently" sent me their junk disc copies. So, ol' benevolent, affluent dean, gets to fork out more of his own resources. I don't understand really. I sent 12 shows on TDK, and then I sent four blanks. The guy on the other end was making all kinds of demands. First, he wanted the shows burned at no less than 8x, then he changed the note on his page to 4x. I did burn them at 8, as I burn my own discs, but I burn from an image file created on my computer. I have never heard a burner flaw from this process, and I have never gotten any bad feedback. And I have a setlist document from which I highlight certain setlists and then copy to emails. So and so also wants a few more setlists, but since he decided to stick me with discs he himself calls junk, I am going to let him do the work. And he knows most of the songs, so why should I do it for him. I got two setlists from that guy. Hey, I may have gotten some good music, but due to bad behavior from the trader, I am still left with a somewhat bad experience. I can't trust that guy now to do what he says he will do. I know suppossedly was busy with trades and all, but that still should not allow him the right to cop some attitude with me. That guy was very picky, and my other trading friend who referred me feels the same way.

 

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  posted on 8/13/2002 at 05:33 PM
I don't know, maybe it's me but I always thought that "freebie" meant free, no cost, no strings attached. We're talking sixty cents right?






 

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  posted on 8/13/2002 at 05:42 PM
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These 3 options in my opinion are the only way to trade music.

1- Trade uqual for equal disc
2- B&P, meaning someone sends you the apporiate blanks w/a return mailer and postage that you agree upon
3- FREE !!!! meaning you burn your blanks put them in your envelope and affix your postage to it ( and not to worry if someone does'nt apperciate it when they get it )

It's only music.....



Ok Clay, you may have finally given me something I can really use. I don't know though if you are creating the rules for "freebie" or going from someone else's rules. Anyway, I never could get the guy to respond about the Black Sabbath Freebie, so I am giving it someone else. And usually instead of paying to give a disc away, I usually give the discs away to people. I know two different women at a near by gas station who have been more than happy to accept my freebies. One lady is a long time neighbor who just told me Sunday that she even saw Dickey with the Second Coming, and she has seen Duane and Gregg and the early abb. She was an original hippie. She is late forties or early fifties, in the past a stoner. So, I guess I may just give her most of these recent freebies which came to me in the form of lame "unreliable" media. Maybe in the future I will just stick to b and p's. And I can't even begin to afford to give away vhs tapes. That is some rare generosity on your part. Not a bad legacy to leave to this present generation of music lovers. Peace. Dean

 

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  posted on 8/13/2002 at 05:50 PM
After burning hundreds of shows, the only "bad" media we've consistently found is the type with no brand name. Also, your burner AND burner software make a difference in what a computer will accept. Our first burner hated Memorex anything. Our second one hated TDK. This one, our third, likes everything except no-names, and that one with the black label. We use an HP 9700. Eventually we'll fork out the two hunderd smackers for a Plextor, but it's pretty far down the list of priorities for us since with our present burner and Win2K box we have a 99% success rate. How accepting stand-alones are, I can't say, although I believe Phillips is the standard there.
For those of you just getting into burning, I'd recommend tossing that EZ-CD and try Nero or CDRWin.

 

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  posted on 8/13/2002 at 06:08 PM
I am going to buy a Sony cdr player when I get my act solvent again. I would love to rush out right now and charge one, but I will wait at least a few weeks to make sure my new job is working out. The Sony plays all types of media and dvds as I recall. Yes, different cd players hate different brands. But beyond that, Memorex cds break easily. I can make one shatter in my hand. My standalone Maxells can be bent severely and they will not crack. And imations crack easily as well. So I avoid thin or brittle discs. I also avoid those types of discs with the white coating that can flake off. TDK makes some of those, as does Memorex and a few other brands. The silver coating on the tdks and other brands seems to be fairly durable. Anyway, you have to handle them all with care.

As for computer burners, I don't know that much about them. I have a "pedestrian" cd burner, a Teac with Ez Cd creator. But I burn an image file. And I tried to use the Nero software before, but I was such a newbie that I could not figure it out on my own. And my consumer burner is a Pioneer. Phillips is more of the standard, but my Pioneer is very good technically anyway. I am very happy with the Pioneer, and I would only want another unit if I had more space and money. The Pioneer has served me well. I got it for $100 less because it came back to circuit city. It was an open box special. I had even bought a Phillips which was less, but when the Pioneer was returned, I returned my Phillips and got the pioneer. And I have two tape dual tape decks. The Kenwood is ten years old and has a squeak in one deck, but it does not affect recording. It is just annoying. And I bought the JVC with the pitch/speed control just to work on slow and fast playing shows. The knob is good for adjusting, but if it was a digital knob I could make the adjustment more precise. The key is to only try to fix shows which are consistenly fast, or consistently slow. Shows with consistent speed fluctuations are something I can not really do anything with. And some shows do not sound better slowed down or speeded up. I have a rare 74 abb show, and it sounds abnormal fast or slow. And a curious fact about that show, is that someone only taped the "Gregg" vocals/songs. Dickey is not on the recording except on guitar. That is a weird one of a kind recording. [Edited on 8/13/2002 by SouthernMan]

 

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  posted on 8/13/2002 at 06:42 PM
I beleive that the reason some shows dont sound good by just speedin them up up or slowed down is because there is more elements invlolved. Pitch and vibrato also enter into the picture. Different sounds, vocals, solo instruments, groups of instruments, etc all respond to just speed differently and equipment with alogarythms that incorporate all thes elements is really needed to accurately address some speed probs. That bein said, I gotta add that some speed probs are simple slow tape speed and a speed knob can fix that which Dean did a nice job on in the 75 Boston show..
 
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  posted on 8/13/2002 at 07:47 PM
Southernman,
I know how you feel about getting bum discs in trades. Although, I'd rather get cheap discs with great sound that I can transfer to quality discs, than a show loaded with diginoiz because the knucklehead on the other end burned on the fly. Because rating anything is subjective, don't get too bent out of shape over it if someone doesn't have the same rating system as you.
As for offering freebies, I'm in the same boat; I can't afford to do it very often, certainly not as often as I'd like, so that's why I offer b&p's instead. It still gets lots of music out there, and I have yet had anyone be disappointed in what they've received. And rest assured knowing that even those who are ignorant enough not to respond with a simple thanks do understand the time and effort in burning shows for them. It's a great feeling when someone drops me a line and raves about the show they just received, but my goal is to spread the music, not receive accolades.
As for trading with difficult people, I've gone thru it, and I just consider it part of the job if they have something I really want. When I get what I wanted I then make a note never to deal with the person again. Yeah, it's a hassle, and frustrating, but in the end I have the great music. After that to hell with 'em, I got what I wanted!

I love spreading the jam, and I never would have thought of the b&p concept. Whoever came up with it is a hero in my book as it's enabled me to give so much to others.

And yeah, Benjamin, I do have about a hundred thousand copies to make... Well, 100, at least, to be closer to (on) the mark... But I gotta socialize a bit too! All work and no play makes finkle a cranky bastard!

 

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