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  posted on 10/22/2004 at 03:11 PM
Why was Jaimoe replaced by Frankie Toler in the 80s?

Is there anywhere online where I can read a really in-depth bio of the band? (I bought that Midnight Riders book but I haven't picked it up from the store and I'm getting a little...you know it's on back order)...

 
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  posted on 10/22/2004 at 03:43 PM
Jaimoe, Chuck Leavell & Lamar Williams formed Sea Level when the ABB broke up after Win, Lose Or Draw. When the ABB reformed for Enlightened Rogues they chose to stay in Sea Level.

 

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  posted on 10/22/2004 at 03:49 PM
Slowhand alot of folks around here don't feel that the book Midnight Rider paints a very good picture of the band. Highlites alot of the negative things. But make your own judgement on that its really the only one out there.Best place to learn more about the band is hanging around here.
 

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  posted on 10/22/2004 at 03:51 PM
Jaimoe played on the Enlightened Rogues album.
 

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  posted on 10/22/2004 at 03:57 PM
Right. He was replaced later on. I think Midnight Riders says the reason was that he was asking questions about the way the band was being managed.

 

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  posted on 10/22/2004 at 04:01 PM
Oops! Yes he did. Sorry about that. My memory ain't what it used to be. I think he wasn't on the first Epic record.

 

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  posted on 10/22/2004 at 04:24 PM
Wasn't Brothers of the Road the only album where Jaimoe didn't play on?

Also, what negative stuff does the book highlight? and is there anywhere online where I can just read about the band's entire career?

Sorry for all the questions haha.

 

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  posted on 10/22/2004 at 04:27 PM
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Wasn't Brothers of the Road the only album where Jaimoe didn't play on?

Also, what negative stuff does the book highlight? and is there anywhere online where I can just read about the band's entire career?

Sorry for all the questions haha.
Buy the book...good, bad or ugly, it's about the ABB. After reading it, and knowing what they have come through, and how they are still around, you'll only respect them more. ABB is family, and only family could have made it through half of what they went through.

 

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  posted on 10/22/2004 at 04:43 PM
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Wasn't Brothers of the Road the only album where Jaimoe didn't play on?

The AllMusic guide actually says that Jaimoe is credited with appearing on both Reach for the Sky (drums) and Brothers of the Road (percussion). They're good, but that may well be wrong, it definitely surprised me.

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Also, what negative stuff does the book highlight? and is there anywhere online where I can just read about the band's entire career?

Gregg's marriage to Cher, the Scooter Herring trial, people's drug problems, that kind of stuff. Check around this site and you can see some timelines and pretty in-depth material. Or just keep asking questions here.

 

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  posted on 10/22/2004 at 05:14 PM
Thanks for all the help so far...but sorry to ask but can anyone explain the scooter trial to me?
 

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  posted on 10/22/2004 at 05:14 PM
Jaimoe was on Enlighted Rogues & Reach For the Sky. He was replaced before Brothers of the Road. It was due to a lot of the ugliness going on behind the scenes; The way I understand it is that Jaimoe suspected the band wasn't evenly seeing all of the money that they were should have been making. When Jaimoe insisted on straightening out these managerial issues, certain members of the band & entourage decided that they didn't need that sort of organization within the band. It was a little shady and Butch said in hindsight that supporting that idea is his most regretful decision he's made with the band. These are all my own words on how the situation was described to me, so I might be a little off... But I do know that Jaimoe is on those 2 albums and not on the 3rd.
 

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  posted on 10/22/2004 at 06:48 PM
Midnight Riders is an enjoyable read when it tells about the early days, when the band was just getting together. Any info on Duane entertains me. The thing with this book is there is no insight. I think it was actually taken from other articles and transcripts. It is nauseating how much time and detail is given to the Scooter trial. I think I read this book in two long settings. It sure would be nice if someone from the inside did a comprehensive book some day.
 

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  posted on 10/23/2004 at 12:24 AM
Along with everything else, didn't Jaimo have back problems at that time.

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  posted on 10/23/2004 at 12:40 AM
Listen to some sea level...These guys really are tight together...
 

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  posted on 10/23/2004 at 12:59 AM
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Thanks for all the help so far...but sorry to ask but can anyone explain the scooter trial to me?

Long story short: he was a roadie for the band and was arrested for dealing drugs to a lot of people, including Gregg. The government leaned on Gregg and he chose to testify against Herring, who was sentenced to 75 years (incidentally, he has been out of prison for some time and says he forgives Gregg for what happened). The other band members felt Gregg had betrayed the brotherhood and said they wouldn't work with him again. Famous last words.

 

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  posted on 10/23/2004 at 06:40 AM
The book "Midnight Riders' does bring out a lot of ugly stuff, but I find myself reading excerpts over and over. After all, it's where I learned the truth about Duane Allman's tragic accident(He hit a crane, not a peach truck.) Some good "road" stories. Worth reading, just take it with a grain of salt.
 

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  posted on 10/23/2004 at 07:02 AM
i'm not alone, i'm sure, when i say "the fans would love a definitive book about the abb".
butch alluded to someone who is a prolific writer that he'd like to see write the book. does anyone know anything about a possible other book or who butch was talking about? i didn't like "midnight riders" as all. not just that it read like a tabloid but it was disjointed, not highly referenced and highlighted the mid to late '70's. hell, jaimoe shold write a book of his own, he's quite the story teller.

 

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butch alluded to someone who is a prolific writer that he'd like to see write the book. does anyone know anything about a possible other book or who butch was talking about?

Some time ago, an article was posted to the Guest Book about a writer named David Hickey; it said his next project was a book about the ABB. As to what state that's in, your guess it probably as good as mine. I don't know for a fact that it's the same guy Butch referred to, though.

Last January, Butch made what I thought was a really good post in his Forum (the thread was called Allman Brother Bio) explaining his problems with Midnight Riders:

"The Scott Freeman book is a VERY long newspaper article. I am not a writer of books but I am an avid and well read reader of books and I can tell a novel from a biography from a short story and from just a regurgitation of facts: newspaper article. The story of the Allman Brothers Band is so incredibly rife with possibilities for an epic from so many different angles (the subculture that existed in America or the south in the '60's and '70's, the racial issues, and more than anything the MUSIC) that having the Freeman book as the sole representation of that story is very depressing. This is my major disappointment with the Freeman work. It tells a story that anyone with the time can go find out for themselves. It gives no special insights into that story and I know (I was there) there were many. We have been trying for quite some time now to get a certain person (I will not give his name) to write a screenplay for a major motion picture and to write the book along with it. He is the smartest person I have ever known and would write a "novel", probably an epic that would deal with most, if not all, of these issues and many that I wouldn't even be aware of. This is what makes a great writer and though, as I mentioned earlier, I have never written one myself, I am able to tell a good one from a bad one and, as I also mentioned, a novel from a peice of reportage. He swears that he is going to do it. I hope so. For Duane's legacy, if nothing else, this needs to happen."

 

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  posted on 10/24/2004 at 08:44 AM
Slowhand, I know it is a long and difficult journey, but most of your questions can be answered by reading this forum. Everything you ask has been asked before, and answered. You will acquire a great knowledge of the ABB simply by reading the Duane forum, the Butch forum, or Anything Goes. There are also other biographical type things in other sections of this website.

 

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  posted on 10/24/2004 at 12:25 PM
Goliath is right, much about the ABB can be gleaned from just hanging in the threads he mentions. Also, PauliG is right, Jaimoe plays on ERogues and RTFSky, but is replaced by Frankie T. for Brothers of the Road.
His back problems were an issue well before this period, I do believe. There's mention to that effect in the Nolan ABB biography, which also contains a photo of Jaimoe lying on the floor with headphones on during a Win Lose or Draw session, and looking not too comfortable.
I would recommend reading Midnight Riders. Many do not take a positive view of the book -- I think it's a balanced, informative read, and disagree with the opinions about it being "tabloid" or "sensationalist" in tone.

[Edited on 10/24/2004 by Stephen]

 
 


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