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  posted on 10/13/2004 at 12:39 PM
Hey again, ya'll

Can someone give me a brief run down on what the various ratings are for tapes/CD's of shows for trade?

Whats the difference between A, A+, A++ etc.?

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  posted on 10/13/2004 at 12:49 PM
The only thing I can tell you is it's very ..... subjective.

Everyone grades and hears shows differently.

There's no set of rules that pertain to all.





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  posted on 10/13/2004 at 12:49 PM
This thread will get more action in the trades section, but here is my take on the whole thing...

A=good sound
A+=really good sound
A++=etremely good sound

Several things factor in on these, like: crowd noise, boom, etc.

 

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  posted on 10/13/2004 at 02:25 PM
Thanks uncle john.. Makes sense.. Mods feel free to move this post to Tape Trading if it suits you.

I agree about it being subjective, too. Im sure my opinion might not be someone elses :-)

 

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  posted on 10/13/2004 at 02:32 PM
Once you've heard a lot of live shows; soundboards or audience recordings, you can tell early into the show how good it is. As long as people are honest about the quality of the shows, there shouldn't be a problem.

For instance, I have a copy of the ABB at Watkins Glen. You can tell it was an awesome show, but the sound is poor so I give it only a C+. These shows I keep as a historical document, so to speak, until a better one comes along.....which I hope it will for this show

 

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  posted on 10/13/2004 at 02:32 PM
Except it shouldn't be that subjective either IMO..... Clean digital SBDs should always be A+...... SBD > Master cassettes ; maybe A/A+..... Great DAUD recordings A and then declining after that..... Only a handful that I have ever heard deserve an A+..... Alot has to do with the room & theTaper's skill & knowledge

 

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  posted on 10/13/2004 at 02:58 PM
Yeah, there's a bit of "grade inflation" at work in the rating system, no doubt. Everything ain't an "A," folks.

I don't bother rating my shows. Ask me how the sound is, I'll tell you.

 

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  posted on 10/13/2004 at 03:08 PM
Droogie, Me too.. My list actually has an explanation of the sound quality, which is a little bit long-winded and time consuming, but I think it's makes a whole lotta sense. I see a lot of lists that are all "A", with a few "A+" and an occasional "B+". The thing is that all the A's have very different sound, which some may find less tolerable than others. It's a really hard thing to do.
 

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  posted on 10/13/2004 at 04:42 PM
I never rate a show an A++ (actually haven't seen anyone do that either).

I never rate shows on the show quality itself, that is even more subjective than sound quality.

I also don't put shows on my list that are lower than B+, but for one or two historical ones. I don't believe I have any AUD recordings I would rate A+ either. Anything that has the slightest "boom" in the room to it automatically cannot get an A.

Like others have said here, you'll know if it sounds good...!

 

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  posted on 10/13/2004 at 05:08 PM
I allow some leniency for older shows. An A for an analog show is prolly an A- for a similar sounding show from a digital source. There are factors other than sound quality such as track transitions, pops, clicks, gaps, abrupt endings, etc that I consider when grading a show.

 

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  posted on 10/13/2004 at 06:18 PM
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I never rate a show an A++ (actually haven't seen anyone do that either).


Actually I do, but it's more for me as much of my ratings are, an A++ on my list just means that:
... it is extremely good sound (basically commercial quality) =A+
and the extra + just means it's a favorite & a personally recommended show.

Basically I try to rate on sound quality to my ears and let the performance be up to the listener, because tha tis entirely subjective.

I agree with Donny too about older shows. I look at 70's ABB recordings totally different that I do something from later years or even say jazz from the same period. That is where rating gets so subjective. It's too bad though that there are such great recordings from say Miles & Coltrane from back in the early 60's, where so much of the early 70's Allman material sounds like it was taped on a Tandy cassette recorder.

When trading, it never hurts to ask the traders opinion or if you are in doubt.

 

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  posted on 10/13/2004 at 08:35 PM
I disagree with grading it on what they play, I really do not like grading it at all, becasue it is so subjective.

If it is a soundboard then say it is and people know how good it is, Some Bruce Hornsby soundboards have been up on etree lately and they would be as close to anything store bouht or even better because of the sound, some people nit pick as well, You did not pay for it so it will not be perfect, don't expect it to be.

Enjoy the shows for what they are and listen to them, and have fun accumulating show after show especially those older ABB shows

 

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  posted on 10/14/2004 at 05:18 AM
Great comments from everyone, thanks!

To me, the quality of sound is very important in that I cannot enjoy a recording if I cant hear a lot of whats going on. While its true that yes, you dont pay for the trade, its also true that you should expect it to sound at least as good as what you are trading unless specifically declared (historical recordings for example) and expected.

I got curious about the rating system after looking around here. The IL from Selma, TX on 10/10 I think it cleaner in many respects than other live recordings I have that were commercial releases. I would love to hear other folks give their opinion of this recording, so if you got it, lets hear it!

 

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  posted on 10/15/2004 at 02:10 PM
I also give more leeway to older shows, basically what my rating reflect are:

A+ ... obviously a great recording
A ... should satisfy all but the "audiophiles"
A- ... not bad for an older show, for a newer show this indicates something like
boominess, excessive bass (but not to the point of distortion), etc.
B or worse ... for diehards

And I like most traders probably tend to overrate my grades, however with new shows and modern recording techniques anything less that an A comes as a surprise to me. Generally I think most new traders are pleasantly surprised at how good shows recorded from the audience sound, often they are preferable to soundboards cause you get the sense of the fans being there.

 

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