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  posted on 9/24/2004 at 07:20 PM
Hey Friends

Thanks for the great response on this thread that I started. I felt it would be a good and deserving one for those who dont ge their props!!!!

I want to add one here,kinda of a sub catogory, slide player.
Even though he was not as flashy as a Warren,Derek, Duane,Johnny Winter I feel that George Harrison was a very good and effective slide player. Playing with so much emotion and heart. You could really feel it move you (at least I can) when he swings in to it.
He could really evoke a feeling with it and it just sings. Beautiful music he played. He probably has the best solo Beatle album out of all of them. If you have not heard it yet, they have re released "All Things Must Pass" a dbl cd version with extra tracks.

 

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  posted on 9/24/2004 at 07:30 PM
Absolutely!
In fact, I think both he and Lennon are underrated for their talents as guitarists.

BUT... If you really want to see underrated slide guitarists:

The Rolling Stone Book of Rock Lists has as a category

Great Slide Guitarists-Rock & Roll Style
1. Elmore James
2. Mick Taylor
3. Hound Dog Taylor
4. Eric Clapton
5. Jeremy Spencer
6. Mike Bloomfield
7. Bonnie Raitt
8. Ron Wood

Now, this list is from a book published in 1981, so Derek wouldn't (yet) be included.
BUT... notice any other ommission?
Dave Marsh probably listened to 'Layla' and thought it was all Eric...

 

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  posted on 9/24/2004 at 08:10 PM
Yeah, to have a list of slide players that doesn't include Duane is just plain moronic.

What the hell does "Rock and Roll" style mean? I don't know what they mean, but I could see a George Thorogood or Warren Haynes playing "Rock and Roll Style" slide. But has this guy ever listened to anything by Hound Dog Taylor? That cat was nothin' but the blues, man. Johnny Winter isn't on the list either.

Anyway, one slide player I've always dug is a dude named Sam Mitchell, mostly for his acoustic stuff - his electric stuff is a bit uninspired, IMO, kind of "by the book." I first came across him as part of Stefan Grossman's guitar artistry series, and it was from his (Sam's) instructional materials that I first made the jump from basic "dust my broom" type stuff to more complicated arrangements. He does great work with a lot of the Robert Johnson classics.

I'm sure a lot of people here would agree with you about George Harrison.

 

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  posted on 9/24/2004 at 10:09 PM
ROD PRICE of FOGHAT.

"Slow Ride" has one of the baddest (in a good way) slide licks I have ever heard!!

 

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  posted on 9/25/2004 at 12:40 AM
I always thought Pete Haycock of the Climax Blues Band was a standout slide player...
one song in particular that turned my head was on the FM LIVE album... Country Hat/Come on in my Kitchen. Worth a listen if it's still out there.

Another great slide player, Ry Cooder...
and finally David Lindley

 

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  posted on 9/25/2004 at 11:44 AM
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Now, this list is from a book published in 1981, so Derek wouldn't (yet) be included.
BUT... notice any other ommission?
Dave Marsh probably listened to 'Layla' and thought it was all Eric...
Toova, I had that book but got so sick of it--and that list you quoted was one of the worst!--that I threw it away.

First, though, I went through it and tore out some good lists. Here's one on page 224:

Great Cameo Appearances
1. Duane Allman
Plays guitar on "Layla," Derek and the Dominos; "Hey Jude," Wilson Pickett; "Loan Me a Dime," Boz Skaggs; "The Road of Life," [sic] Clarence Carter

2. Paul McCartney [there are descriptions for 2-12, too]
3. John Lennon
4. Eric Clapton
5. Bob Dylan
6. George Harrison
7. Jimi Hendrix
8. Mick Jagger
9. Keith Moon
10. Jimmy Page
11. Phil Spector
12. Stevie Nicks

Actually, the term "cameo appearance" refers to a small role played by a star, almost solely to get attention because of his star power. In contrast, Duane's work was vital to those recordings--he was all over them--and he wasn't big enough to be thought of as making a star turn.

 

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  posted on 9/25/2004 at 12:22 PM
Rory Gallagher did some smoking slide work in his day.........

 

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  posted on 9/25/2004 at 12:36 PM
Dickey Betts has got to be about as underrated on slide as anyone. Just because he didn't sound like Duane he got a bad rap. He's really tearing it up on slide with his new band.
 

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  posted on 9/25/2004 at 01:03 PM
How can any list of slide-guitarists NOT include Lowell George?

[Edited on 9/25/2004 by starjfa]

 

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  posted on 9/25/2004 at 01:33 PM
Robbie Krieger of the the Doors, particularly on Moonlight Drive from Strange Days. He didn't play slide alot but when he did I always thought he was quite enjoyable.

 

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  posted on 9/25/2004 at 09:56 PM
Amen to George Harrison!!!!! Ravi Shankar took him to new heights so what you feel is spiritual, something even deeper than music. His last album (disc) he made while he knew he was dying actually translates through his guitar how he is feeling and sometimes (all the time), it sends chills through your body as he musically is telling you "It's ok, it's starting to look and feel very beautiful as I am going home"!!!!!! The Disc is "BRAINWASHED"..............run don't walk to buy it. Also, AMEN to Lennon too!!! The Beatles opened countless doors for every modern music ICON today. ~ Peace~

 

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  posted on 9/25/2004 at 11:31 PM
..................and without a doubt ELMORE JAMES!!

 

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  posted on 9/26/2004 at 01:42 AM
This is the Allman Brothers site and nobody's mentioned Jack Pearson yet, I think that makes him underrated. Saw him and his band at the Cotton Club today, and they were really hot. Jack plays with such remarkable facility... he's just flying all over the guitar and makes it look so easy. I've thought for years that he's the #2 slide player on the planet. Can't say enough about Sonny Landreth either, though he does get his respect in the right places.

 

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  posted on 9/26/2004 at 01:34 PM
Good point, Marley!
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This is the Allman Brothers site and nobody's mentioned Jack Pearson yet, I think that makes him underrated. Saw him and his band at the Cotton Club today, and they were really hot.
Was this at Chicago's Cotton Club, on South Michigan Avenue? I've never been inside there.

By the way, I like how an "underrated slide players" thread generally becomes a catch-all for all slide players. Re:
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Can't say enough about Sonny Landreth either, though he does get his respect in the right places.
This is a good distinction, because although Sonny isn't generally as well known as we might like, people who especially enjoy and seek out slide players pretty much know about Sonny and rate him very highly.

 

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  posted on 9/26/2004 at 02:51 PM
PN,
I think that the Cotton Club Marley mentioned is there in Atlanta, on 10th St., if I remember correctly. It's been awhile since I've been down there, as I'm in the Chicago metro area.

 

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  posted on 9/26/2004 at 05:27 PM
That's right. I'm in Atlanta now, and Jack doesn't tour that much, so seeing him in Chicago would've been weird.

 

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  posted on 9/26/2004 at 05:31 PM
Jesse ed Davis but you cant catch him on the classic rock train.Brother Duane knew who he was wake up mama.

 

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  posted on 9/26/2004 at 06:09 PM
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Yeah, to have a list of slide players that doesn't include Duane is just plain moronic.


agreed.

Buddy Guy has some nice work too.

 

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  posted on 9/26/2004 at 06:16 PM
Dave Hole (an Aussie I believe) is a wicked, ferocious slide player. He plays his guitar over the top like a lap steel...but furiously ! I think his Cd " Steel on Steel" is probably his best known Cd. This guy is scary.

 

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  posted on 9/26/2004 at 11:29 PM
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That's right. I'm in Atlanta now, and Jack doesn't tour that much, so seeing him in Chicago would've been weird.
Marley, you get around. Check out my segue out of the Cotton Club:
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Buddy Guy has some nice work too.
Standing Back, if I may go up Michigan Avenue from Chicago's Cotton Club, cut west on Balbo to Wabash, that brings us to Buddy Guy's Legends, where I've never seen Buddy play slide. He tried a little 40+ years ago but swore it off when he saw Earl Hooker (I was waiting for someone else to mention Earl first!). Buddy has said that after he saw Earl, he took his own slide off and threw it against the wall (I hope it wasn't a bottleneck!).

Buddy has rarely had other guitarists playing slide with him. His former regular second guitarist Scott Holt never played slide that I know of. Frank "Bang" didn't either, I don't think, the couple times I've seen him with Buddy. G.E. Smith did play a little slide on that Live: The Real Deal video a few years ago.

Buddy Guy on Earl Hooker, from Guitar Player, April 1990:
So when I walked in, there was Magic Sam and few more guitar players--including Earl Hooker, who is the greatest guitar player that I ever saw. . . . Those guys like Earl Hooker, man, they couldn't jump around and run up and down the bar like I did, and that's the advantage I took of them.

{GP} No one ever played slide like Earl Hooker.

{BG} No. I found one of Muddy's tunes in this collection I've got, and he had Hooker playing on it {"You Shook Me"}. As it struck, my guitar player said, "Listen to Muddy!" I said, "That's not Muddy--that's Earl Hooker. Nobody plays it that clean, and you don't hear nothing but the strings."

{GP} What did he use for a slide?

{BG} I got it! I got his slide in my pocket at home, and I sleep with that thing. It's just a piece of pipe like anybody else used.

{GP} You're not usually associated with slide guitar.

{BG} I learned a little of Muddy's slide, but it don't ever come out. I'm embarrassed to come out with it. After I heard Earl Hooker play slide, I put that thing I was using in my pocket--it was a bottleneck--and I said, "I don't even want to see that no more, the way this guy plays!"

{I'll try to find that "threw it against the wall" anecdote later. }

 

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  posted on 9/27/2004 at 01:57 PM
Nice post Pete!!!

 

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  posted on 9/27/2004 at 06:15 PM
Listen to Brian Jones' slide on No Expectations on Beggars Banquet.

 

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  posted on 9/27/2004 at 06:17 PM
No guitarists or bands are more underrated than John Felty and Matt Mayes of Jupiter Coyote.
 

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  posted on 9/27/2004 at 06:26 PM
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Dickey Betts has got to be about as underrated on slide as anyone. Just because he didn't sound like Duane he got a bad rap. He's really tearing it up on slide with his new band.


 

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  posted on 9/27/2004 at 06:51 PM
Jimmy Page is pretty underrated as a slide guitarist

 

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