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  posted on 8/9/2004 at 08:48 PM
Just an FYI, this was posted on Dickey's site and should probably be posted here, comments welcome.

Chords for Change

August 5, 2004
By BRUCE SPRINGSTEEN

A nation's artists and musicians have a particular place in
its social and political life. Over the years I've tried to
think long and hard about what it means to be American:
about the distinctive identity and position we have in the
world, and how that position is best carried. I've tried to
write songs that speak to our pride and criticize our
failures.

These questions are at the heart of this election: who we
are, what we stand for, why we fight. Personally, for the
last 25 years I have always stayed one step away from
partisan politics. Instead, I have been partisan about a
set of ideals: economic justice, civil rights, a humane
foreign policy, freedom and a decent life for all of our
citizens. This year, however, for many of us the stakes
have risen too high to sit this election out.

Through my work, I've always tried to ask hard questions.
Why is it that the wealthiest nation in the world finds it
so hard to keep its promise and faith with its weakest
citizens? Why do we continue to find it so difficult to see
beyond the veil of race? How do we conduct ourselves during
difficult times without killing the things we hold dear?
Why does the fulfillment of our promise as a people always
seem to be just within grasp yet forever out of reach?

I don't think John Kerry and John Edwards have all the
answers. I do believe they are sincerely interested in
asking the right questions and working their way toward
honest solutions. They understand that we need an
administration that places a priority on fairness,
curiosity, openness, humility, concern for all America's
citizens, courage and faith.

People have different notions of these values, and they
live them out in different ways. I've tried to sing about
some of them in my songs. But I have my own ideas about
what they mean, too. That is why I plan to join with many
fellow artists, including the Dave Matthews Band, Pearl
Jam, R.E.M., the Dixie Chicks, Jurassic 5, James Taylor and
Jackson Browne, in touring the country this October. We
will be performing under the umbrella of a new group called
Vote for Change. Our goal is to change the direction of the
government and change the current administration come
November.

Like many others, in the aftermath of 9/11, I felt the
country's unity. I don't remember anything quite like it. I
supported the decision to enter Afghanistan and I hoped
that the seriousness of the times would bring forth
strength, humility and wisdom in our leaders. Instead, we
dived headlong into an unnecessary war in Iraq, offering up
the lives of our young men and women under circumstances
that are now discredited. We ran record deficits, while
simultaneously cutting and squeezing services like
afterschool programs. We granted tax cuts to the richest 1
percent (corporate bigwigs, well-to-do guitar players),
increasing the division of wealth that threatens to destroy
our social contract with one another and render mute the
promise of "one nation indivisible."

It is through the truthful exercising of the best of human
qualities - respect for others, honesty about ourselves,
faith in our ideals - that we come to life in God's eyes.
It is how our soul, as a nation and as individuals, is
revealed. Our American government has strayed too far from
American values. It is time to move forward. The country we
carry in our hearts is waiting.

Bruce Springsteen is a writer and performer.


http://www.nytimes.com/2004/08/05/opinion/05bruce.html?ex=1 092738709&ei=1&en=f74407c4affb50e1

 
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  posted on 8/9/2004 at 09:56 PM
Being an American carries a lot of responcibility. Look back to the sacrifices that our forfathers made to be able to call themselves Americans and to be able to live in the "Land of the Free and Brave".
It's about time we started thinking about all the freedoms we do have here in this country and stop whinning about what we don't have or comprimising what we do have in the interest of one special interest group or another.
I'm unfortunately in a 31 % tax bracket and I pay my taxes every year but I'm tired of so many people in this country who don't have a clue what it is like to go out and work hard every day and take risks because you believe in the American dream.
We have too many people that feel like they are owed something without sacrifice here in America. They continue to whine and complain instead of trying to better themselves by working hard and understanding that it is their responcibility not their neighbors to succeed in life here in America. I will stand and help anyone who is willing to help themselves.
Simply go back in time and look at the cost over time of human life. These people believed in America and believed in freedom and they were willing to give their lives to defend it. That is why we are the greatest and wealthest nation in the world today.

 

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  posted on 8/9/2004 at 10:10 PM
I noticed that Boss used the word "[we] dived" instead of "[we] dove". Perhaps I am wrong to correct this glaring error. Aside from that, rock on, I'm with ya.

 

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  posted on 8/9/2004 at 11:03 PM
I'm not going to get into politics, as in who I support or don't support in the next election. I don't come here for that. However, I will say that I've respected Bruce Springsteen for close to thirty years and whether or not I agree with his politics isn't relevant. I believe he speaks sincerely and I believe after seeing him talk about this subject with Koppel on Nightline that he agonized over whether to speak his piece. He did. And he knew it'd probably cost him some record sales and get him some boos at his shows. That made me respect him more. Springsteen is the real deal. And even people who are vehemently opposed to who he supports in the upcoming election should remember that.

 

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  posted on 8/9/2004 at 11:35 PM
BRUUUUUUUUUUCE!
 

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  posted on 8/10/2004 at 12:07 AM

I agree with Bruce!!!!

 

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  posted on 8/10/2004 at 03:55 AM
Bruce Springsteen certain speaks about a lot that is on my mind this election. Not going to tell anyone who to vote for (let your conscience be your guide), but educated yourself about the issues, do get inolved and do vote.
 
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  posted on 8/10/2004 at 07:10 AM
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Why does the fulfillment of our promise as a people always
seem to be just within grasp yet forever out of reach?



What is he talking about? Like Origapch said, go out and work hard everyday, make a sacrifice. Not everything is owed to us just because we are the richest nation in the world. Why are we the richest nation? Because people work their butts off here. Anything and everything is within reach in this country, that's what makes it the best, you just have to have the drive to get it. Ask any of the artists on this tour if the fulfillment of the American promise is just out of reach. They all made a good life for themselves because they busted their humps and made sacrifices over the years. I'm sure no one gave them anything. The same goes for "corporate big wigs." These guys have enormous responsiblilty to their employees and their companies. I would bet if you also looked at the background of many of the "corporate big wigs," you will find they came from little or nothing.

These people want the sharing of wealth, aka socialism. That's fine by me, give me some of Bruce's, REM's, Pearl Jam's, Jackson Browne's, James Taylor's, or the Dixie Chix's money.

 

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  posted on 8/10/2004 at 08:55 AM
Bruce rocks. He might be the most relevant - personally and socially - musician of all time.

 

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  posted on 8/10/2004 at 09:29 AM
Never liked bruce's tunes. When I saw South Side Johnny, he sounded a lot like bruce, probably because they played together in the earlier days. But SSJ had a better band backing him, and that show was rockin'

 

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  posted on 8/10/2004 at 10:30 AM
I live in the next town over from Asbury Park, Bruce's old stomping grounds. He does a lot of good things for that town to get it back on it's feet. And I respect him for that.
However, I am not a big fan of his. I don't agree with his politics, but luckily for all of us we live in a country that allows us to voice our opinions.
Let's not forget that our nation is in under attack and our lives and our children's futures are at risk.
My values rule how I vote. Bruce's values rule his vote.

 

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  posted on 8/10/2004 at 11:19 AM
Since "the Boss" is making observations and asking questions, I have a question: For years, Bruce Springsteen has been associated being a regular guy who makes music for the "working man"...well, so to speak. So, why is it his tickets often cost high enough the average working man or regular guy really can't afford them. Sounds like capitalism at it's best to me. I will probably catch a little heat for that one...oh well, just a random thought.

 

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Since "the Boss" is making observations and asking questions, I have a question: For years, Bruce Springsteen has been associated being a regular guy who makes music for the "working man"...well, so to speak. So, why is it his tickets often cost high enough the average working man or regular guy really can't afford them. Sounds like capitalism at it's best to me. I will probably catch a little heat for that one...oh well, just a random thought.


Supply & Demand?

Popularity?

No.

Clear Channel.

The Evil Empire is everywhere.

You want high ticket prices?

Go see the Eagles.

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  posted on 8/10/2004 at 11:35 AM
Interesting question UNCLEJON75, but let's put some facts around it. First, Bruce tix were no more expensive than any other comparable bands playing now. I believe I paid $77 to see Bruce at Giants Stadium and $74 to see the Brothers at the Beacon. He could easily have charged more and still sold out given his popularity today. Second, Bruce looks out for his fans. I don't know of any other performer who goes to the lengths that he does to keep tickets out of the hands of scalpers. He truly does not want to see his fans get gauged. And he holds back a large block of front section tickets until the day of the show so that the diehard fans have an opportunity to get up close. You should also know that he self-promoted his last tour and took all of the financial risk himself. No sponsors like Pepsi to rip off the fans like on the last Stones tour (I paid $250 face value for those tix!). He had to pay the E-Street members a lot to get them all out on such an extended tour. Of course, he did make a fortune in the end but he earned it. If you've seen him live you know that there is nobody that works as hard on stage to put on a great show for his fans night after night.

Don't kid yourself, music is a capitalistic business but few performers give as much back to the community as Bruce.

 

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Interesting question UNCLEJON75, but let's put some facts around it. First, Bruce tix were no more expensive than any other comparable bands playing now. I believe I paid $77 to see Bruce at Giants Stadium and $74 to see the Brothers at the Beacon. He could easily have charged more and still sold out given his popularity today. Second, Bruce looks out for his fans. I don't know of any other performer who goes to the lengths that he does to keep tickets out of the hands of scalpers. He truly does not want to see his fans get gauged. And he holds back a large block of front section tickets until the day of the show so that the diehard fans have an opportunity to get up close. You should also know that he self-promoted his last tour and took all of the financial risk himself. No sponsors like Pepsi to rip off the fans like on the last Stones tour (I paid $250 face value for those tix!). He had to pay the E-Street members a lot to get them all out on such an extended tour. Of course, he did make a fortune in the end but he earned it. If you've seen him live you know that there is nobody that works as hard on stage to put on a great show for his fans night after night.

Don't kid yourself, music is a capitalistic business but few performers give as much back to the community as Bruce.


Well said.

Clear Channel still sucks.

As does ticketbastard.

 

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  posted on 8/10/2004 at 11:42 AM
The whole Eagles thing is funny to me. I've really cared for them that much...but, I've always dug Joe Walsh & the James Gang. Anyway, I went to an all day concert at a local military base & saw numerous acts play & Joe Walsh was one of them. He played all his classic material, as well as many Eagles' tunes. This was a FREE CONCERT and the funniest thing about it is, it was month later they announced the "Hell Freezes Over" tour dates & ticket prices...I couldn't help but think that was funny.

 

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Well said.

Clear Channel still sucks.

As does ticketbastard.


Thanks for reminding me Ron.

F*ck Clear Channel!!!

 

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Bruce Springsteen is a writer and performer.





And was an unfaithful husband to his wife of less than one year. Maybe he should look inside himself for areas of improvement.

We didn't dive immediatly into a war with Iraq. We spent 15 months trying to gain support from the rest of the world. Mr Springtein's ABB candidate (who he said dosent have all the answers) admitted that he would have made the SAME decision as Geroge W. on invading Iraq, he just would have done it better. Well it's pretty easy to sit on the sidelines and say, "That's what I would have done but I would have done it right"

And am I mistaken or did Kerry not critsize George W. for invading Irag on bed Intel? Seems he has changed his mind........again.

I am glad you have to be 18 to vote though. Otherwise these "Pop icons" might actually have a chance of convincing kids to vote a certain way cause "thats what he Boss Said to do" Hopefully by 18 kids are smarter than that.

EXAMPLE: When I was 14 yeasr old I would have voted for Jimmy Carter twice if I could have cause Gregg Allman & the ABB suported him. Looking back, though I have a great deal more respect for JC than most, it would have been crazy to vote for him because an Allman Brother told me to.

Gregg tells people to vote now, not who for and I respect that.

The Brothers litteraly put Jimmy Carter in office.
MTV helped slick Willie get in

Do we really want MTV, Whoopi Goldberg or Bruce Springstein and his clan of Libs deciding who is going to run our country?

If these people have their way Clear Channel might be in charge before you know it.

 

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  posted on 8/10/2004 at 03:54 PM
"And was an unfaithful husband to his wife of less than one year. Maybe he should look inside himself for areas of improvement."


gimme a break!


 

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  posted on 8/10/2004 at 04:40 PM
hey folks,

it seems to me that the only controversial part of bush's presidency is Iraq. and the only part that the libs focus on. bruce's concert tour is promoted by ACT and sponsored by MoveOn.org. and for those who have been on Mars during the last year, MoveOn is an ultra-liberal group that has no common sense whatsoever. Bush "might" have made a bad decision on Iraq, but equating him with Hitler is just not sensical.

ACT's mission is to "elect democrats across the board." this is not sensical either. there are some great dems, but i would never vote for someone based solely on his political party. new jersey has one of the most corrupt governors (Dem. Jim McGreevey) in history and it's all coming out now. should we re-elect him solely be cause he's a dem? hell no!

doesn't anyone else think it's a little odd that all of hollywood and all of the music industry are democrats? and those that aren't keep quiet?

But let's face it. I'm not going to convert any of you to the Repub side and you're not going to convert me to the Dem side. I will, though and hope you will to, be objective. If you want to see how true Republicans think, please go to www.federalist.com and check out their articles. you'll see that democrats are not always what they're cracked up to be.

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  posted on 8/10/2004 at 05:02 PM
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it seems to me that the only controversial part of bush's presidency is Iraq. and the only part that the libs focus on.

You must be kidding.

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Bush "might" have made a bad decision on Iraq, but equating him with Hitler is just not sensical.

I agree, although MoveOn hasn't done that.

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doesn't anyone else think it's a little odd that all of hollywood and all of the music industry are democrats? and those that aren't keep quiet?

Quiet like Charlie Daniels?

 

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  posted on 8/10/2004 at 08:20 PM
moveon.org comparing bush to hitler:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0%2C2933%2C107426%2C00.html

if charlie daniels is all you got on conservatives speaking out, then you must be joking. but i'd rather have charlie daniels then michael stipe and ben affelck.

i'll take it to the whipping post now. sorry!!!

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MoveOn.org spokesman Trevor Fitzgibbon said, "we had no idea the Hitler thing even existed."

The group, which claims to have a network of about 2 million online activists, said that the ad comparing Bush to Hitler was one of the 1,512 submissions from the general public submitted as part of a campaign called Bushin30seconds.com.

MoveOn.org claims the ad was not submitted by an organization and was ultimately removed from the Web site. MoveOn.org noted that the "Hitler" comparison was not among the 15 finalists that are now viewable on the Web.

MoveOn.org released a statement on Monday, saying neither that ad nor another one portraying Hitler and Bush was their ad, "nor did their appearance constitute endorsement or sponsorship by MoveOn.org Voter Fund. They will not appear on TV. We do not support the sentiment expressed in the two Hitler submissions."

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"We agree that the two ads in question were in poor taste and deeply regret that they slipped through our screening process," the statement said. "In the future, if we publish or broadcast raw material, we will create a more effective filtering system."


According to this quote taken directly from the Fox News article you linked, apparently moveon.org DOES have a modicum of common sense and is in agreement with YOU about the Hitler ad.

 

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  posted on 8/10/2004 at 11:41 PM
Performers have a right to express their views, and the fans have a right to express them back. Let it rip. But, the performers do it with no one allowed to counter. I would gladly debate any one of them.

Past that, after the out of hand cops killed a young black man here in Cincy a couple of years ago when they shouldn't have, and riots ensued that the whole world knows about. And the local black leadership asked for a boycott, but Bruce came anyway and took the cash.

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Performers have a right to express their views, and the fans have a right to express them back. Let it rip. But, the performers do it with no one allowed to counter. I would gladly debate any one of them.

Past that, after the out of hand cops killed a young black man here in Cincy a couple of years ago when they shouldn't have, and riots ensued that the whole world knows about. And the local black leadership asked for a boycott, but Bruce came anyway and took the cash.

DH


A boycott of what?

No white performers should play Cincy?

That'll teach the cops a lesson.

Any C&W shows pass on the city during that time?

Bruce can write "American Skin", a song dealing with just that issue, but he should skip cities where that sort of thing happens?

Ridiculous.

And did the local leadership want rappers to not play there either?

How about sports?

Nevermind. Those buildings are empty anyway.

It's a quality issue.

[Edited on 8/11/2004 by PhotoRon286]

 

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