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  posted on 7/12/2004 at 01:31 PM
Exclusive: Election Day WorriesNewsweekJuly 19 issue -

American counterterrorism officials, citing what they call "alarming" intelligence about a possible Qaeda strike inside the United States this fall, are reviewing a proposal that could allow for the postponement of the November presidential election in the event of such an attack, NEWSWEEK has learned.


The prospect that Al Qaeda might seek to disrupt the U.S. election was a major factor behind last week's terror warning by Homeland Security Secretary Tom Ridge. Ridge and other counterterrorism officials concede they have no intel about any specific plots. But the success of March's Madrid railway bombings in influencing the Spanish elections—as well as intercepted "chatter" among Qaeda operatives—has led analysts to conclude "they want to interfere with the elections," says one official.


As a result, sources tell NEWSWEEK, Ridge's department last week asked the Justice Department's Office of Legal Counsel to analyze what legal steps would be needed to permit the postponement of the election were an attack to take place. Justice was specifically asked to review a recent letter to Ridge from DeForest B. Soaries Jr., chairman of the newly created U.S. Election Assistance Commission. Soaries noted that, while a primary election in New York on September 11, 2001, was quickly suspended by that state's Board of Elections after the attacks that morning, "the federal government has no agency that has the statutory authority to cancel and reschedule a federal election." Soaries, a Bush appointee who two years ago was an unsuccessful GOP candidate for Congress, wants Ridge to seek emergency legislation from Congress empowering his agency to make such a call. Homeland officials say that as drastic as such proposals sound, they are taking them seriously—along with other possible contingency plans in the event of an election-eve or Election Day attack. "We are reviewing the issue to determine what steps need to be taken to secure the election," says Brian Roehrkasse, a Homeland spokesman.


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  posted on 7/12/2004 at 01:32 PM
personally, i dont feel anyone has the right to postpone the election!

 

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  posted on 7/12/2004 at 01:34 PM
I can understand setting up the contingencies, but I'd be concerned if it actually happened.

 

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  posted on 7/12/2004 at 01:36 PM
agreed Marley!

i would not support any postponement of the election whatsoever.

i couldnt help but feel a little bit like gina when i posted this though.....

 

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  posted on 7/12/2004 at 01:38 PM
Yeah, I know. But it's been front-page news on CNN for a day or two, so that's kind of different territory.

 

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  posted on 7/12/2004 at 05:37 PM
What would happen if the election were postponed? Would people take to the streets in protest? Would people go to work? If it isn't safe enough to vote how can it be safe enough to work?

I'm afraid if this does happen most Americans won't do anything except watch TV and wait to be told what to do.

 

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What would happen if the election were postponed? Would people take to the streets in protest? Would people go to work? If it isn't safe enough to vote how can it be safe enough to work?



I don't know Billy, New York's mayoral primary election on 9/11 was postponed, held two weeks later, and folks figured out how to still vote. Those dumb New Yorkers watched TV, was told to wait two weeks, then came out and voted and the election was held. Imagine that.

 

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  posted on 7/12/2004 at 06:22 PM
Good question - I haven't read into it very much in the news... I think to make plans to change our democratic process in anticipation of a terrorist attack aimed at disrupting our democratic process - would be disrupting our democratic process and handing a victory to the terrorists...


I will bet that, regardless of the final decision about what do regarding this issue - the right and left will probably not agree on it!



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  posted on 7/12/2004 at 07:01 PM
Randi Rhodes said today that they are going to have an election in Afghanistan and also in Irag but we're talking about postponing ours. Go figure!

If you are worried about a terroristic attack avoid the polls and vote absentee.

 

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  posted on 7/12/2004 at 09:55 PM
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I'm afraid if this does happen most Americans won't do anything except watch TV and wait to be told what to do.


Considering most eligible voters do not vote, you may be right.

 

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  posted on 7/12/2004 at 09:58 PM
What's next GW? Marshall Law?

 

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  posted on 7/12/2004 at 10:07 PM
Your daily dose of Fear.


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New York's mayoral primary election on 9/11 was postponed, held two weeks later, and folks figured out how to still vote.

Completely true, although there is a slight difference of scale between the NYC mayoral primary and the US Presidential election.

Derek, the concern that nobody's quite voiced here is that the government could postpone the elections to its own benefit, and that there is the potential (and that's all it is) for subverting the democratic process. You've posted similar feelings about gun control laws, and this is a lot more direct than that. Does the idea bother you at all? Is it a concern?

 

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  posted on 7/13/2004 at 12:38 AM
I'm beginning to get concerned about several things, and the fact that this discussion is going on does get my attention. The "draft discussion" concerns me also. The fact that we can be talking about the possibility of both things ocurring at the same time, and at a time when we have granted our government more power through Homeland Security Act starts to feel somewhat uncomfortable.
 

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  posted on 7/13/2004 at 01:25 AM
Absolutely it concerns me, and I do not trust the neocons. I am more of a Powell conservative.

However, there are other sides to this story. I believe that a terrorist strike near the election helps Bush, so I don't understand why they would want to postpone it. Second, could it be smart for the government to let it be known that we have plans for dealing with a catastrophic terrorist event that attempts to destroy the election process? Maybe that signal is to let the terrorists know that it wouldn't have as big a reaction and result as they might have thought it would.

Bottom line, terrorists are still here, there are sleeper cells here, and the enemy are extremist Islamo-fascists who want Sharia world wide. We need to get our CIA in order, and this wimpy way of doing covert activity and gathering of info has to stop. From 1998 on we had no on the ground agents in Iraq? That is ridiculous on all sides.

And the Prez was right today, Libya would not be turning over it's nuclear and chem/bio weapons as they did this week without the shot across the bow that we put out there in Iraq. And Kerry and 'Junior' Edwards both voted for this war.

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Derek I'm glad to see it does concern you. I hope that if the democratic process is subverted you will take whatever action is necessary to restore it. You have spoken in the past of your survival skills. I believe you have the tools and the knowledge to take care of you and your's. I hope, if push comes to shove, you are the freedom fighter you seem to be. I see the Neocons as fighting against freedom. I don't see you in a Neocon role.

For the record I'm not happy with Kerry. I do oppose the war. I don't think any Democrat, other than Kucinich, really represents a significant choice.

That said, the possiblity of an indefinite postponement of our Presidential election really troubles me. What is really at stake here? Leader of the Free World is a pretty nice title. Leader of the World trumps all titles. Historically men who have attempted to rule the world have risked everything and stopped at nothing to take control. Alexander the Great was 19 when he killed his Father and began his rise to power.

What an intoxicating feeling that much power must be...

I'm inclined to agree with Rider in that the majority of the people won't really care. How long do those who want to voice their objection wait in that worst case scenario? Any wait at all will appear to be acceptance.

 

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Postponing the election would give the terrorists exactly what they want - power and influence. We can't allow that.

A postponement of the election or any election is the worst idea I've ever heard. I bellieve it's totally unamerican.

If they are so sure that there will be a terrorist attack or incident on that day, than why don't they spend the next few months making sure it doesn't happen instead of wasting their time with this election babble?

 

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  posted on 7/13/2004 at 05:59 AM
The primaries in NY were postponed on the day of the attack, after the terrible terrosim had occurred, not months before.


 

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  posted on 7/13/2004 at 06:02 AM
The idea of bowing to terrorist pressure is just disgusting to me.

And the idea that it is being brought out in the news now, possibly with political motives rather than genuine worry about the american people, is even more sickening.

 

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I can understand setting up the contingencies, but I'd be concerned if it actually happened.

Ok, hold your hats. For once, I agree with Marley. I do think the planning should be in place to postpone a presidential election, but only if there are major attacks on the US.
Postponing the election locally is an option if an attack happens in that area (I'm not going to describe any, since I don't want to give anybody ideas) but I don't know if anyone has the authority to actually stop, or postpone, a federal election.

I'm trying to find the article, but I do remember about an election in Nicarauga where sandanista snipers were shooting people in line waiting to vote. They didn't scatter, just got low on the pavement, and helped move the wounded into ambulances. The voter turnout was over 90%. We're lucky if 50% of US voters turn out.

 

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holy crap, this must be another sign...the dead are walking the earth! did he play "Crazy Train" too?

i think it is VERY important to move on with things as planned, otherwise - and as previously stated above me - the terrorist will win.

secure the polling sites a little better than the past, and all will be well.

and by the way, i'm not comfortable with the title of this thread (it is a "daily dose of fear") and i'm going to change it. just fYI.

 

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  posted on 7/13/2004 at 07:58 AM
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Postponing the election would give the terrorists exactly what they want - power and influence. We can't allow that


Very true.

It still is only in inquiry from an official. Only Congress can do this.

 

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If federal elections are postponed, then we've just witnessed the death of the republic. Not even during the American Civil War did such occur; as Lincoln said, "We cannot have free government without elections; and if the rebellion could force us to forego or postpone a national election, it might fairly claim to have already conquered and ruined us."

More and more, I'm reminded of the conversion of the Roman Republic into the Roman Empire, with all that entails for loss of liberty at home and hatred from the "barbarians" outside the Empire. We know how that story ended.

Nothing guarantees that the U.S. is special and will always have happy endings for those who love liberty--we have to work to make it so. Remember what Benjamin Franklin said when asked what form of government the Constitutional Convention had created: "A republic, if you can keep it."

 

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Thanks. You make some very good points here.

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However, there are other sides to this story. I believe that a terrorist strike near the election helps Bush, so I don't understand why they would want to postpone it.

The big potential for abuse probably goes 'incumbent sees he's losing in polls, and decides to delay election.' A threat would probably never help a challenger. We don't know if these plans would give the government the ability to postpone the elections in the event of an attack (as happened on September 11th) or if there's a threat, or what. We're in agreement that the steps have to be taken to check.

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And the Prez was right today, Libya would not be turning over it's nuclear and chem/bio weapons as they did this week without the shot across the bow that we put out there in Iraq.

Oh, so we invaded Iraq to get rid of Libya's weapons of mass destruction. I'm sure the war put more pressure on, although they were making efforts to get back into the international community prior to that. (If only Iran and North Korea were making similar efforts.)

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And Kerry and 'Junior' Edwards both voted for this war.

Then you should thank them.

I know that was a joke, but where does this 'inexperienced' thing come from? Edwards is 51, Bush was 54 in 2000 (and Clinton was 46 in 1992, but anyway...). Bush had six years' experience as governor of Texas, Edwards has spent six years in the Senate.

 

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  posted on 7/13/2004 at 01:58 PM
Ok, here we go;

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Historically men who have attempted to rule the world have risked everything and stopped at nothing to take control. Alexander the Great was 19 when he killed his Father and began his rise to power.



Yet both Alexander the Great and Ghengis Khan were successful until they died. Take Ghengis Khan, for instance. His ability to move an 8,000-man army fast over many miles was incredible. He wasn't a nice guy for sure, but he ruled this way; if a city or village did not do his bidding he warned them, and then if he had to move his army he did it but once. He came to the village and killed every man, women, and child, except for those that held a trade or skill he needed, and he burned the village to the ground. It was complete destruction. the word spread and other villages and cities thought twice before trying anything.THose that didn't mess with him were allowed autonomy.

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why don't they spend the next few months making sure it doesn't happen instead of wasting their time with this election babble?


Isn't that what they are doing? If I remember right, we haven't had an attack on our soil since 9/11, three years. Have you not noticed or appreciated that?

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I do remember about an election in Nicarauga where sandanista snipers were shooting people in line waiting to vote. They didn't scatter, just got low on the pavement, and helped move the wounded into ambulances.


Kerry backed the Sandinistas. After meeting with communist Sandinista leader Daniel Ortega Kerry literally pushed for COngress to end funding for the COntras who were fighting against communism there the same day that Ortega went to the then Communist Soviet Union to get 200 million dollars to help his marxist regime. More on that later.

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I know that was a joke, but where does this 'inexperienced' thing come from? Edwards is 51, Bush was 54 in 2000 (and Clinton was 46 in 1992, but anyway...). Bush had six years' experience as governor of Texas, Edwards has spent six years in the Senate.




Yes, it is a goof, based on how they are acting together. Did you see Jay leno's election commercial for them, patting each other on the rear, hands all over each other, etc???

ANyway, Bush was a governor, an administrator, who was re-elected by 71% in the state of Texas, which is not an easy thing. Edwards probably won't even carry his home state of North Carolina.

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I'm sure the war put more pressure on, although they were making efforts to get back into the international community prior to that. (If only Iran and North Korea were making similar efforts.)



I keep hearing Iran and North Korea being brought up, yet when I ask those on the Left what they would about those two dangerous-possibly nuclear countries I never get a response. What would you do to deal with North Korea and Iran??

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