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  posted on 7/7/2004 at 10:50 AM
Last night was the first of what will be a lot of shows I would guess. Couldn't figure out what the first hold em tournament was, judging from the prize money it was a preliminary with a lot smaller buy-in than the "big one" that costs $10,000.

The 7 card stud was real confusing to follow, specially if more than two players stayed in. The way they switched the order of the cards each player had (they would rank them from high to low as each person got another card, i.e. K-10-5-2) made it real difficult to track which cards were in the hole, even with those cards being shaded to indicate them.

I was glad to see Nguyen(sp?) the so-called "Master" get taken down. I know it's part of his "game", but I got tired of him running his mouth about how good he was. Wouldn't say he is as much of a jerk as Phil Hellmuth is though. Hellmuth reminds me of Jimmy Connors...

If I had the disposable income, I'd be out there every year. Then again if I was filthy rich the allure of gambling would not be as strong I guess...but it sure would be nice to find out if I was correct!!!

[Edited on 7/7/2004 by awman]

 

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  posted on 7/7/2004 at 11:03 AM
I watched it last night. I thought it was confusing to watch also. They kept switching the cards around like you said. In years past I don't remember them showing the 7 card stud, usually just the other game they play. I kind of liked that guy the Master, it was funny the way he was drinking the Miller High Lifes the whole time. I was surprised they showed him drinking on tv.
 

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  posted on 7/7/2004 at 11:09 AM
It was hard to follow the 7 card stud game. but i got used to the
dancing cards after a bit.

The texas hold 'em is more fun to watch. The student of Amarillo
played great until those two all in bluffs got called at the end.
All in on a pair of 4s?

I thought it was funny that the 24 year old that won the hold 'em, has
a father that wants him to get a real job. What other jobs
pay $250,000?

There is no pleasing some parents.

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  posted on 7/7/2004 at 12:01 PM
It has spread like wildfire. I have played Texas Hold em everywhere I have traveled to in the last six months. Folks are starting to bring their sunglasses along, which damn sure doesn't guarantee anything. I notice that folks tend to go all in more than they should, but that is in the other guy's favor, so what the hell.

Although, I must admit, it is embarrasing when your 12 year old nephew takes the whole pot. Can't read the little b******!

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  posted on 7/7/2004 at 01:35 PM
The real pros must be loving the fact that Texas Hold 'Em is spreading around like wildfire. Cause just like in the movie Rounders, the rounders will sit around and wait for the pigeons to roost.

I've been tempted to play in Atlantic City more than once, but I won't. Cause for one, although I like the game, I am not a great poker player, at least among highly skilled players. And you have got to beware of players who know each other raising you when their buddy has a great hand to build the pot up. Easy to get tag-teamed. And the "rake" that the casinos collect eventually will whittle you away. You can't sit there for any length of time before that becomes a factor.

The real thing that made watching hold em on TV so much more popular is that now you can see the players' hole cards. That has made all the difference.

 

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  posted on 7/7/2004 at 01:39 PM
John, Hellmuth's dad flipped out when Phil quit school to play poker full time. It's in his book...Hellmuth may be a jerk, but he knows his poker, the book's a great read. Play Poker Like the Pros I think it's called. For all his smarts, he just can't accept other people drawing out on him, catching cards despite being the underdog going in, etc. Hey Phil, that's why it's called GAMBLING!

 

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  posted on 7/8/2004 at 12:19 PM
Very addicting. Even playing "free" online. I prefer the live games in the S. Cal poker rooms when I travel on business. Plenty of characters and imatators, sort of like golfers watching too much TV. 8/16 is about all I can rationalize. The higher the table value, the less people {seemingly} hang around on a long draw. The 2/4 and 3/6 tables prevent you from bluffing and you get some crazy bad beats.

I would like to see an entire show where they only show one card .... then another show where they don't show any cards...until after the hand is played out. Would make you think more to put people on hands.

Two Red Rock shows await - pumped and ready.

 

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  posted on 7/8/2004 at 01:46 PM
Phil Hellmuth may be a great player, but he is a PUSSY!
When he got knocked out last year, he sought out his mommy and gave her a big hug. He looked like he was about to cry!
He's like Howard Cossell ..... the man I love to hate.

 

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  posted on 7/8/2004 at 02:35 PM
Good call. Hellmuth and a few others are whimps. I find it funny that they usually have their coat on the back of the chair when they get busted out. Can't stand when they just blaze without shaking hands.
Poker Nation and Positively 5th Street are worth reading. Is Hellmuth's book self-effacing and balanced in any way, or is he just full of himself?

 

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  posted on 7/9/2004 at 03:43 AM
Boring, can't wait till the ESPN triple-header of Poker, Bowling and Figure Skating.

 

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  posted on 7/9/2004 at 10:45 AM
Yeah, the "pros" can't comprehend that anyone else can play the game. I love it when they talk about "dead money", i.e. players they think have no shot. For a pro, a rank amateur is harder to read than a fellow pro, cause they know what a pro usually will do. If they played with those "amateurs" more often, they'd eventually take their cash, but in the short run it's a crap shoot. Moneymaker last year knocked out so many people - often with garbage cards going in - I loved it! Hellmuth for one commented on all the "bad" hands Moneymaker played. Hey, so what - Doyle Brunson won the World Series of Poker TWICE IN A ROW on the last hand going in with 2-10 offsuit. That starting hand is now known as a "Brunson". He had one in last year's World Series, played it, I think he won the hand too, anyway everyone laughed when he showed his hole cards and said "Hell, I had to play that hand!".

 

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  posted on 7/9/2004 at 10:47 AM
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Good call. Hellmuth and a few others are whimps. I find it funny that they usually have their coat on the back of the chair when they get busted out. Can't stand when they just blaze without shaking hands.
Poker Nation and Positively 5th Street are worth reading. Is Hellmuth's book self-effacing and balanced in any way, or is he just full of himself?


In my opinion, it's a great book, and that's knowing how Hellmuth is before I read it. It doesn't deal much with his life story, big wins he's had, etc., it's just a real good poker book. I read the thing cover to cover twice!

 

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  posted on 7/9/2004 at 10:48 AM
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Boring, can't wait till the ESPN triple-header of Poker, Bowling and Figure Skating.


So change the channel!!!

 

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  posted on 7/10/2004 at 09:07 AM
Glad to see some other ABB fans like poker. This site and Aztec Riches Poker are two of my favorites. I don't lose money here, though.
 
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  posted on 7/16/2004 at 10:47 AM
Tuesday they showed Omaha, I HATE that game. Usually cause when I play it I have 2nd best hand I guess . We play it hi-low splits the pot. But you need an 8 or under for low. And if you don't have "the nuts" then get out is good strategy.

I was glad to see once again an amateur topple the mouthy cocky pros like a bunch of bowling pins - the guy who came to Vegas with his wife in a Winnebago to vacation. That one guy who after almost every hand would say "I knew you had K-J", "I put you on a small pair", etc., the one who kissed his Mom on the mouth at least 10 times...HA HA!!! And one time he called but said "I know you've got me but I gotta call"...if you "know" he's got you, then fold, ya genius.

I have noticed that more than a few players have egos the size of a mountain. I know in a lot of cases that's part of their "act" or whatever, they make you want to beat them so bad you play hands you normally wouldn't, etc. And a lot of them don't look like they could handle a real job. Not even for a week.

ESPN's coverage blows away the other efforts I have seen to televise these events. Norman Chad's a funny dude. But I have never caught the Travel Channel's broadcasts yet.

 

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  posted on 7/16/2004 at 10:50 AM
I agree, ESPN's coverage is head and shoulders above the other channels. I can't wait until a week from today. I'm going to see moe, New Earth Mud, and Big Head Todd at the Borgada in AC. Can't wait to gamble, no poker though, I would get smoked. Strictly blackjack for me.
 

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  posted on 7/16/2004 at 11:07 AM
I wish Chad, Kornheiser and other sports writers would stick to writing and
stay the hell out of my TV set.

Their egos are bigger than any of the pro players.

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