BillyEddins
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posted on 5/4/2004 at 08:05 AM |
May 4, 1970.
Do You Remeber?
4 killed 9 wounded.
A really bad scene.
Killing college students.
I know a bunch of the building were destroyed but what about the lives destroyed.
I was 15 at the time. Could not believe it. Still have a hard time with it.
Some of my relatives thought the students were wrong. I tried to explain.
Not much luck.
Neil Young wrote Ohio in the next few days.
What da Ya say ? ____________________
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Pam
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posted on 5/4/2004 at 08:11 AM |
| I was not born until 74 and learned about this in American History class my freshman year of high school. My teacher had magazines and newspaper articles to share with the students and we had extensive talks about it I remember. Of course this was not something that was in our school books but my teacher was good about straying out of the books a lot. Same teacher I had mentioned here before who let us watch Easy Rider and have a discussion on it and a written quiz about the movie. His motto was "If we get the stuff out of the way that the school board insists we do, then we can move on to other things I feel you should learn." ____________________
Good lucks never really been a strong suit of mine, can't get a nickel for a dime...
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KCJimmy
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posted on 5/4/2004 at 08:56 AM |
I was only 7, nearly 8 don't really remember it at the time. Learned a lot more later when I got into Neil Young in my very early teen years. Unfortunately in 69 -70 at my house it was not uncommon for dad to turn on the TV to watch the cops beat up the hippies. And they did too. Hell, now with a video camera if you catch a cop beating somebody, you and the victim can get rich. Back then folks, these beatings were regular appearances on the evening news. And alot of people cheering it on. So sad.
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I still have two strong legs and even wings to fly"
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johnwott
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posted on 5/4/2004 at 12:32 PM |
I was only 13 but I remember seeing the footage on network news.
Students fleeing from the gun fire. Students lying dead and wounded.
It sure opened my eyes. I'll never forget those images.
Like the Neville Brothers said:
"It's freedom of speech as long as you don't say too much"
Peace
John ____________________
People Can you Feel It?
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BillyBlastoff
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posted on 5/4/2004 at 12:45 PM |
| I was 10. I did a report on it and the shooting that followed on Jackson State campus in Mississippi, during my Junior year in high school. 14 students were shot in Mississippi, 2 of those died. The protests on Kent State were in opposition to Nixon's decision to escalate the war. He had previously stated he would slow the effort down. ____________________
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Denza
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posted on 5/4/2004 at 01:57 PM |
| I remember all to well, I was a senior in High School. I mentioned this event awhile back here and to this day the things that were going on in the streets of America at that time seems almost surreal to me. Kent State really helped fuel my rebellion and disdain for the government. Younger folks just can't imagine the looks you got for just being a longhair then, a divisional time of generations that was. ____________________
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pixielf
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posted on 5/4/2004 at 02:02 PM |
I remember it well. Lived just a few towns from there. A very embarrassing moment of our history and one of the worst tragedies of the 70's.
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ridenhighr
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 posted on 5/4/2004 at 02:52 PM |
I wasn't even a thought when the tragedy at Kent State occured. Hell my mom was 6 and my dad was 4. But I would have to agree with everyone that it was one of the saddest and most tragic events our country faced during the Nixon years. I remeber in high school (a couple of years ago) that my teacher played the song Ohio for the class and asked us what it was about. Only a couple of students had heard of the song and most just knew it from the radio or music there parents played, not realizing that the message was tribute in time to those that lost their lives.
I can only compare everything that I learned about that time in history to what I know now, and it seems that todays administration doesn't seem to care about the lives of so many young people just like the Nixon administration. I was talking to my girlfriend last night about the war because she is considering joining the reserves for school and I told her that this war is weird now because the people that are dying in Iraq are the same age as me. In my opinion, young American lives aren't some tool our government can throw away at there disposal. Our military is a tool we use to PROTECT our country from danger and our president is doing our soilders a great dishonor by endangering their lives in a war we shouldn't have even been in.
God bless our troops for being in a situation they can't help and the people affected by the tragedy that occured at Kent State, Ohio.
peace
jon ____________________
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DeepPurple
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posted on 5/4/2004 at 03:24 PM |
I was 20 years old, about a month into basic training at Fort Polk, Louisiana when that event happened, I had entered the Army on April 2, 1970, I didn't want to be an April Fool. The military is all you see and hear from morning until night when your in basic, especially the first month. Then they'll lighten up after four weeks and give you a weekend pass if your not a screw-up. I remember picking up a Houston newspaper that first weekend off, and Kent State was the headlines. It was something that was never discussed, especially since half of my company in basic training was from reserve and national guard units. A year later I was in Korea, my orders for Viet Nam were cancelled on the day I was to ship out. "DeJa Vu" by Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young came out when I was there, we played it to death, "Ohio" was a classic from that album.
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Denza
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posted on 5/4/2004 at 06:11 PM |
| Actually "Ohio" wasn't on "DeJa Vu", I believe it was on "4 Way Street". ____________________
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aiq
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posted on 5/4/2004 at 06:20 PM |
do i remember?
oh hell yes...and jackson state, and COINTELPRO and all the dirty story...
thanks billy...too much forgettin' goin on...
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tkirk
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posted on 5/5/2004 at 12:57 AM |
The song OHIO was written I believe the day after the shootings.
Neil Young wrote it and had it released in a matter of weeks, I'll need
to look into this a little further.
I grew up about 15 minutes from Kent, OH, and was 13 years old at
the time. It was a very divisional time for generations. My parents (probably
to this day) believed that the Guard did the right thing and their disdain
for the students and activists, was frightening.
My mind was opened that day, and childhood was over.
Never forget.
peace
tkirk
[Edited on 5/5/2004 by tkirk]
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BillyBlastoff
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posted on 5/5/2004 at 03:31 AM |
quote:
I can only compare everything that I learned about that time in history to what I know now, and it seems that todays administration doesn't seem to care about the lives of so many young people just like the Nixon administration.
This administration has too many people in it from the Nixon administration. Rumsfeld was Secretary of Defense in the Nixon Administration. It was considered high praise when Nixon said about Rumsfeld "He's an operator..." and H.R. Haldeman's comment, "typical Rumsfeld, rather slimy maneuver" was also considered praise. Cheney was a top administrator in Ford's White House after escaping scruitney under Nixon and went on to head, along with Rumsfeld, "the National Program Office," a secret Reagan administration program to study how the government would function if attacked. Wolfowitz is another veteran of that era. He went on to work with George Bush the First who appointed him to a special commission in the CIA called Team B that overstated the Soviet threat to gain support for larger military budgets.
This link gives more info on their backgrounds:
http://www.tompaine.com/feature2.cfm/ID/9732
What a crazy world. These guys have never been out of power.
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the people that are dying in Iraq are the same age as me.
There is a difference, at least right now in Iraq the average age of the soldier killed is about 28. It doesn't make the loss any easier, in fact it is probably tougher because more of these soldiers are leaving behind familys.
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too much forgettin' goin on...
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DeepPurple
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posted on 5/5/2004 at 10:23 AM |
Denza,
CSNY "Four Way Street" is a double live album of songs mostly from their classic first two albums, I just checked my albums and your right, "Ohio" debuted on that live album released the year I was in Korea, 1971. Between playing Deja Vu, Four Way Street and After the Gold Rush so many times that year they all run together.
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Bingylandmusic
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posted on 5/5/2004 at 10:43 AM |
But CSNY did shortly after and because of kent State rush into the studio to record the single"ohio". It was released within wks of the event and you would've heard it daily back then for most of the spring and summer of 70 on the Radio.Inspired by the fact that " Miller"(sorry I forget his first name-maybe jeff?) a victim and the one that his body made the covers of magazines, was a huge fan of the band, made it more fitting they responded.
ps
maybe CSNY's best moment....
[Edited on 5/5/2004 by Bingylandmusic] ____________________
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" The Music you listen to becomes the soundtrack of your life"
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posted on 5/5/2004 at 11:28 AM |
I wasn't born until '74, but the Kent State shootings are a big deal to me. I grew up about 45 minutes from Kent and one of the guys killed was friends with my mom and her brother.
It was a terrible day in American history and unfortunately it isn't remember by enough people. My wife graduated from Kent State and says the university tries very hard to down play May 4th every year. Depressing. ____________________
Steve
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BillyBlastoff
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posted on 5/5/2004 at 01:06 PM |
It was Jeff Miller Bing.
I talked to a guy living on campus the night before the anniversary. He said there were planned protests for the next day. I wondered what they were protesting thinking a memorial service might be better.
I think I read Neil Young walked into the woods and came back with the song in a very short period of time. Chrissy Hynde went to Kent State. I was really hoping for Ohio when I saw the Pretenders open for Neil Young in Atlanta. It didn't come to pass...
Woodstock was another big CSN&Y(?) hit. Anyone remember who wrote it? ____________________
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RobJohnson
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posted on 5/5/2004 at 01:07 PM |
Joni Mitchell. What do I win? 
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BillyBlastoff
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posted on 5/5/2004 at 01:09 PM |
Heheh... undying respect.  Fast too. ____________________
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BillyBlastoff
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posted on 5/5/2004 at 01:10 PM |
How about the Miles Davis Septet from April of 1984.
PM with addy. ____________________
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posted on 5/5/2004 at 01:53 PM |
Definitely Jonie Mitchell.... better version than CSNY.
Some famous Kent State students...
Devo, Drew Carey, Joe Walsh, Arsenio Hall (tool), Lou Holtz, .... ____________________
Steve
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posted on 5/5/2004 at 02:05 PM |
I only heard of Ohio when the album 4 way street came out, I was wondering what
the song was about, lucky for year books , so I looked it up and was quite shocked
about it, even when is was just 13 at that time
Crosby Stills Nash And Young
Tin soldiers and Nixon's coming
We're finally on our own
This summer I hear the drumming
Four dead in Ohio
Gonna get down to it soldiers are cutting us down
Should have been down long ago
What if you knew her and found her dead on the ground
How can you run when you know.
Gonna get down to it soldiers are cutting us down
Should have been down long ago
What if you knew her and found her dead on the ground
How can you run when you know ____________________
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patrickcrenshaw
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posted on 5/6/2004 at 11:28 PM |
A friend of mine was there and went back to the dorm to get his camera.
The way he told it, if he had stayed outside it could have been five dead in Ohio...
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posted on 5/7/2004 at 12:17 AM |
| I was fourteen. Following the M.L. King and B. Kennedy assassinations, Democratic Natl Convention riots, the nightly news updates about Viet Nam and all the other craziness of the late sixties, it seemed like business as usual. As I got older, I became aware of how tumultuous that time really was but, then again, things haven't seemed to change much. ____________________
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posted on 5/7/2004 at 01:34 PM |
I was 15 and had been shipped out to boarding school in Mercersburg PA (my folks thought it would straighten me out- yeah, right!)- each spring we had 'Field Day' which consisted of the headmaster announcing we had the day off to do what we like as long as it was outdoors. Morning of May 5th we got the day off and my bad friends and I wandered off into the countryside to, well, set small objects on fire etc. When we got back 'we got the news' (our school was pretty isolated and you learned breaking news via the newspaper, although I remember them breaking out a TV for the moon landing) Shortly afterwards the school 'social comittee' had an outing to the Baltimore area planned- first a 'cookout' at an all girls boarding school, and then a concert at Baltimore civic center- CSN&Y!(They had been banned from D.C. and this was as close as they could get) Many of us on the trip ate small purple tablets and got somewhat distorted- and this was probably one of the first times they played 'Ohio'. Plus I think the 'Woodstock' 3lp set had recently come out- anyhow we were all jacked up on the 'counter culture' in our own teenage whiteboy fashion. All I can say is that I never looked at things in quite the same way after that spring...
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