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  posted on 3/29/2020 at 05:26 PM
Today, Dr. Fauci came as close to saying "Ignore that man behind the curtain" as possible. When asked whether he could assure the American people that whether or not they get the help they need from the federal government does not depend on whether their governors are appreciative enough of the federal help or flattering enough of the Trump administration, he replied, "I think the reality, not the rhetoric, but the reality is that the people who need things will get what they need.

"There's a reality and a rhetoric. I know the spirit of the task force and when we talk about when people need things, doesn't matter who they are, we try to get them what they need."

He does seem to influence Trump as indicated by getting Trump to stop spouting the "virus gone by Easter" theory & back off to April 30 at least. Americans are in a position where we do have to ignore what Trump is saying & rely that the experts are getting things done & not everything requires POTUS approval.

 
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Fauci for the Nobel. Trump for the Ö...

 

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  posted on 3/29/2020 at 06:03 PM
Watching presser now. He read from prepared notes hunched over the podium. Remember how he criticized Obama from reading from a teleprompter.

Then on to the Q & A. Typical Trump - berating and attacking reporters, denying his own words even when quoted directly, interrupting reporters because the facts they provide <> his false narrative. Wouldn't let the doctors speak on one question because of course he knew medically more and enough to answer the question.

Compare that to the conference earlier today by Andrew Cuomo - extemporaneous, relaxed, and engaging. He provides a level of confidence and knowledge.

 

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  posted on 3/29/2020 at 06:07 PM
Lifelong Republican and I will vote for Biden so fast it will curl your hair.

 

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  posted on 3/29/2020 at 06:51 PM
Gov. Cuomo is earning the same acclaim & accolades across America for his astute leadership in the coronavirus crisis, as fellow NY politician Rudy Giuliani did in helping steady NYC as mayor following 9/11

It lifted Rudy to a national place of prominence, even a run for the presidency at one point
Could this vigorous younger leader, Cuomo, likewise end up speaking for all Americans in this crisis, & indeed To all Americans who suddenly see more presidential timbre in him than in Biden or Bernie
He shapes up as the classic dark horse, or sleeper, candidate

 

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Gov. Cuomo is earning the same acclaim & accolades across America for his astute leadership in the coronavirus crisis, as fellow NY politician Rudy Giuliani did in helping steady NYC as mayor following 9/11

It lifted Rudy to a national place of prominence, even a run for the presidency at one point
Could this vigorous younger leader, Cuomo, likewise end up speaking for all Americans in this crisis, & indeed To all Americans who suddenly see more presidential timbre in him than in Biden or Bernie
He shapes up as the classic dark horse, or sleeper, candidate


Everything you said is accurate until the "dark horse candidate". That will NEVER happen this cycle. Maybe next cycle he runs.

Cuomo will not enter the race, be some sort of dark horse candidate, or be drafted anymore than those who thought that Hillary would have ever entered. It's getting just a wee bit late for AC or HC. This year will be Trump v Biden.

 

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  posted on 3/29/2020 at 07:08 PM
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Lifelong Republican here too and I'm also voting for Biden.

 

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  posted on 3/29/2020 at 11:31 PM
Good point in this thread.

The actions of the federal government are in motion. Maybe they could've been in motion earlier, or faster under different circumstances, sure.

The bottom line is no matter who the President is, some things are going to function without us even knowing they are functioning. Sure President A vs President B could yield better results. But the nuts and bolts of it is that things happen behind the curtain that we won't fully know and actually, that is fine, we can't begin to try and track and document and question every action of government. In a 24 hour hour, in the minute, in reporting we have now, it is actually counterproductive sometimes to report that something is happening at 2:45 on a source and then come 2:55 that turns out to not be true, but it was already out there 10 minutes ago and now people are like WTF is going on. Maybe in some ways it would be better to just pick up the paper the following day and see what has been happening rather than this minute-by-minute blow-by-blow reporting.

We're in it now. People and agencies behind Trump have jobs to do. We fixate on Trump, but more is being done. It's kind of where I have always been, the US federal government is bigger than who is President. Things can and will happen no matter who the President is. The rub is how efficiently those things happen, but they still happen none the less.

 

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Biden and Trump are the same, except Trump will admit he is a lying com man.

Read the stimulus bill and try to refute what I stated above. Democrats and Republicans bent us over and rammed 2 trillion inches deep with no grease. All the Lemmings told them, " thank you very much" and cheered that the government saved them. WTF?

If anybody still thinks the Federal Government has our interest as numero , in the priority department then we as a society reserve what we get. Wake up people, the us versus them is career politicians against the people. Get your head out of the sand, turn off the MSM,, and have some common sense.

 

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Biden and Trump are the same, except Trump will admit he is a lying com man.

Read the stimulus bill and try to refute what I stated above. Democrats and Republicans bent us over and rammed 2 trillion inches deep with no grease. All the Lemmings told them, " thank you very much" and cheered that the government saved them. WTF?

If anybody still thinks the Federal Government has our interest as numero , in the priority department then we as a society reserve what we get. Wake up people, the us versus them is career politicians against the people. Get your head out of the sand, turn off the MSM,, and have some common sense.


Offer your ideas to save the country please?

I mean, we could allow bankruptcies, we could allow capitalism to function as it should. Apparently nobody has the stomach for that.

What is the alternative? It worked in 2007/8, right? I guess it worked?

Without intervention where would we be and how do we get back up?

Unless you are just focusing on the couple hundred billion of non-coronavirus related spending. Ha, I said a "couple hundred billion" like it was chump change. Again, what is the alternative?

 

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Offer your ideas to save the country please?


Let the corporations that used their profits to purchase their own stocks and increase dividends for personal wealth instead of saving it for times like now to go under.

Dissolve the Federal Reserve and return to the gold standard

Outlaws hedge funds

Allow free enterprise to be just that "free" and regulate debt instead of commerce and innovation.

End the welfare state and allow families and communities to help those in need When something is subsidized it flourishes.,

Change the economy to bring based on production, self reliance, and profits distributed equally between workers management, and stock holders.

Placing term limits on congressional leaders (House & Senate)

Reduce the reliance on government

Remove the Patriot Act

Give the power back to the people and away from corporations and career politicians

Bring all our troops home, let the world be, and say " no" when they want $ cause they made wrong decisions.

I could go on and on....

As far as the alternative about a few hundred billion in chump change, quit printing money to pay for stuff that is irrelevant. You can't borrow forever. I say hit reset and let people live on their own merits and stop screaming that it is everyone else's fault. The government isn't going to save you in the short term without any repercussions in the long term.. F it, let's just increase our national debt, stick our heads in the sand/up our butts, and argue about which political party is going to save us. If that sounds like a plan to you....I guess it is a waste of time trying to convince you otherwise?

I hope you and your family stays healthy and safe. Take care

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  posted on 3/30/2020 at 12:45 AM
Thank you.

I feel and like a lot of what you have said gotdrumz.

I don't know where it ends up and what it all means down the road. But right now, to not act to save companies big and small and offer the assistance necessary to workers I think we would fall into a rut we may not get out of, at least for a very long time.

It's a mess. Ideally we'd do this or that different. End of the day the puppet masters are going to do what they see fit. I just hope it works. What my gut and my head tells me isn't enough. It's above my pay grade. I just hope it works.

 

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  posted on 3/30/2020 at 05:50 AM
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But the nuts and bolts of it is that things happen behind the curtain that we won't fully know and actually, that is fine, we can't begin to try and track and document and question every action of government. In a 24 hour hour, in the minute, in reporting we have now, it is actually counterproductive sometimes to report that something is happening at 2:45 on a source and then come 2:55 that turns out to not be true, but it was already out there 10 minutes ago and now people are like WTF is going on. Maybe in some ways it would be better to just pick up the paper the following day and see what has been happening rather than this minute-by-minute blow-by-blow reporting.




X2 - better way to be informed - more deliberate & accurate, less frenzied - you could always turn on the radio if something current was happening - but itís now the minute by minute blow by blow reporting that as you mentioned, often leads to misinformation

 

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Any honest person . . .


Would you consider it honest to use a new username on a website and conceal your former username? Strikes me as dishonest. When I changed my username here early on I had Rowland delete my first account, then I told folks about it - I didn't come creeping back under a different name and keep my old account.

What is your opinion of this kind of behavior?

It seems really strange - do you agree?


You mean like Skydog32103 or whateverthephuckhisnameis?

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Hello, "skydog32103", are you out there?

Come on man, grow a set.

 

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  posted on 3/30/2020 at 07:02 AM
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People and agencies behind Trump have jobs to do. We fixate on Trump, but more is being done. It's kind of where I have always been, the US federal government is bigger than who is President. Things can and will happen no matter who the President is. The rub is how efficiently those things happen, but they still happen none the less.

There are some things that can't happen w/o or until there is presidential authority. Until there was a national emergency declared, FEMA/Fauci/Birx weren't in the picture & that's on Trump's egomaniacal stalling. Governors were declaring states of emergency way before the federal government.

He claimed the US was prepared for COVID19 - so much so that in mid-February the administration announced the sending of 17.8 tons of MASKS, GOWNS, GAUZE, RESPIRATORS & OTHER VITAL MATERIALS to CHINA. He sent a letter to his idol Kim Jung-Un offering aid TO NORTH KOREA just 2 weeks ago. On Saturday, he boasted the US was making so many ventilators so quickly that there was going to be surplus to send to the UK.

So, yes, I agree that the government itself is now functioning in spite of Trump & his rhetoric. However, hospital staff has been left unprotected & there are now cases of medical staff deaths due to lack of PPE & exposure to COVID19. The original point was that DR. FAUCI had to reassure the American public that things were getting done - despite what Trump says.

It's repugnant that Trump knows PPE was sent as aid to China yet he implied this weekend that NYC hospitals were lying about inventory or stealing masks themselves. North Korea, meanwhile, hasn't reported ANY cases of COVID-19; Jung's sister (& official spokesperson) said they don't need help from the US.

And let's not overlook the fact that Trump HATES to be one-upped. He could fire Fauci/Birx at any time just like he has w/intelligence, administrative, & military experts who told him things he didn't want to hear or contradicted him publicly.

 

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  posted on 3/30/2020 at 09:03 AM
Lifelong Democrat here too and I'm also voting for Biden.

 

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People and agencies behind Trump have jobs to do. We fixate on Trump, but more is being done. It's kind of where I have always been, the US federal government is bigger than who is President. Things can and will happen no matter who the President is. The rub is how efficiently those things happen, but they still happen none the less.

There are some things that can't happen w/o or until there is presidential authority. Until there was a national emergency declared, FEMA/Fauci/Birx weren't in the picture & that's on Trump's egomaniacal stalling. Governors were declaring states of emergency way before the federal government.

He claimed the US was prepared for COVID19 - so much so that in mid-February the administration announced the sending of 17.8 tons of MASKS, GOWNS, GAUZE, RESPIRATORS & OTHER VITAL MATERIALS to CHINA. He sent a letter to his idol Kim Jung-Un offering aid TO NORTH KOREA just 2 weeks ago. On Saturday, he boasted the US was making so many ventilators so quickly that there was going to be surplus to send to the UK.

So, yes, I agree that the government itself is now functioning in spite of Trump & his rhetoric. However, hospital staff has been left unprotected & there are now cases of medical staff deaths due to lack of PPE & exposure to COVID19. The original point was that DR. FAUCI had to reassure the American public that things were getting done - despite what Trump says.

It's repugnant that Trump knows PPE was sent as aid to China yet he implied this weekend that NYC hospitals were lying about inventory or stealing masks themselves. North Korea, meanwhile, hasn't reported ANY cases of COVID-19; Jung's sister (& official spokesperson) said they don't need help from the US.

And let's not overlook the fact that Trump HATES to be one-upped. He could fire Fauci/Birx at any time just like he has w/intelligence, administrative, & military experts who told him things he didn't want to hear or contradicted him publicly.


You are right.

I tend to look at things in a different light, always have and that is reflected in what I post about. It's all fine to point out the missteps, misjudgements, lies from Trump because they happen right there in real time in front of us.

But then I look around and see what else is happening.

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'Project Airbridge' To Expedite Arrival Of Needed Supplies, White House Says

March 29, 20202:46 PM ET

A planeload of health care supplies arrived in New York City on Sunday from China, part of an effort the White House says will expedite the arrival of goods that are badly needed to fight the coronavirus pandemic.

According to the Trump administration, Sunday's arrival was the first of approximately 20 flights through early April for a public-private partnership it's calling Project Airbridge. The White House says the flights "will result in these critical medical supplies reaching the United States in 2-3 days vs. the normal 20-40 days they would take to arrive if they were shipped by sea."

Sunday's shipment included 130,000 N95 masks, nearly 1.8 million other face masks and gowns, more than 10.3 million gloves and more than 70,000 thermometers, according to a White House statement. A handful of American health care distributors purchases the supplies, and the Federal Emergency Management Agency paid for the Shanghai-to-New York flight.

The statement said a "majority of these supplies will be provided by FEMA to the states of New York, New Jersey, and Connecticut with the rest going to nursing homes in the area and to other high risk areas across the country."

The tri-state area is the epicenter of the nation's growing coronavirus epidemic. Nearly 700 people have died in New York City alone, as of Sunday afternoon, according to Johns Hopkins University researchers.

"At President Trump's direction we formed an unprecedented Public-Private partnership to ensure that massive amounts of masks, gear and other [personal protective equipment] will be brought to the United States immediately to better equip our health care workers on the front lines and to better serve the American people," White House adviser Jared Kushner said in the statement.

Trump meets with supply chain distributors Sunday afternoon, according to his official schedule.

The arrival of Sunday's planeload, which was first reported by Reuters, comes as the Trump administration faces criticism over its distribution of medical gear that is in short supply across the country, and for urging states to buy supplies on their own.

"The federal government is not supposed to be out there buying vast amounts of items and then shipping," Trump said on Thursday. "You know, we're not a shipping clerk."

On Friday, Trump ordered the use of the Defense Production Act to compel General Motors to prioritize federal contracts for ventilators. That was after offering mixed messages on the law, and saying he didn't need to fully use the act's broad authority.

Also Friday, Trump claimed New York state ignored a new supply of ventilators. In response, New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo said Trump was "grossly misinformed." Cuomo said New York had only half of the ventilators it will need during the worst phase of the outbreak.

The White House's Project Airbridge underscores China's importance in manufacturing supply chains. Trump himself has often criticized China's response to the coronavirus, and controversially referred to it as the "Chinese virus." Late Friday night, however, he tweeted that he had had a "very good conversation with President Xi of China," and that the two nations "are working closely together. Much respect!"

https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/03/29/823543513/ project-airbridge-to-expedite-arrival-of-needed-supplies-white-house-says




 

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I tend to look at things in a different light, always have and that is reflected in what I post about. It's all fine to point out the missteps, misjudgements, lies from Trump because they happen right there in real time in front of us. But then I look around and see what else is happening.


Even though there are some hard liners, most of us are smart enough to look at ALL the facts before making judgments. What we post here are discussions - based on the info known at the time of posting & as more info comes to light, the discussion shifts.

No matter what sourcing FEMA is doing NOW, there's no question that Trump bungled the handling of the virus early on in January until the FEMA team, led by Fauci & Birx, became involved. Trained experts & experienced professionals who work w/WHO, the CDC, and state agencies are in charge now.

Things would be even more efficient & effective if Dr. Fauci didn't have to constantly correct - politely but firmly - the gibberish that comes out of Trump's mouth. Trump's boasting that his news conferences have the same ratings as some 20 year old reality TV show is absurd; it doesn't occur to him that Americans are often desperately tuning in for updates on what the federal government is doing & they're getting it from people other than Trump. They tune in to hear what Fauci & Birx are saying just like many people beyond NY are tuning in to Cuomo's restrained factual briefings. He provides information & plans; he doesn't talk much less brag about himself.

As I said in another thread, Americans can't possibly keep up w/the minutiae of interventions against COVID19 in every state. Until Fauci/Birx & Cuomo started doing daily briefings, we scrambled to get info because the media was being stonewalled by Trump. Just this weekend, he was scolding & humiliating another reporter - from the PBS/NPR pool for asking a legit question. The title of this thread isn't mine; it's what Dr. Fauci himself had to say about Trump - the work is getting done; ignore what Trump is spouting.

 

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I watched this yesterday & wasn't surprised in the least. Trump has hostility towards truth, facts, and reporters that professionally ask him questions that he is afraid to really answer because the answers and the truth expose him for the man of hate and incompetence that he really is.

Trump Increases Hostility Toward Reporters Questioning His Handling Of Coronavirus Crisis

https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/trump-increases-hostility-reporters-question ing-coronavirus-crisis-001810341.html

 

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Trump has hostility towards truth, facts, and reporters that professionally ask him questions that he is afraid to really answer because the answers and the truth expose him for the man of hate and incompetence that he really is.


The bizarre thing is he doesn't have to do press at all. How many months did we go w/o a press conference? He gave the impression that Pence would be taking questions & then Fauci/Birx. For one day, he made it sound like he was going to get off the stage & away from the heat. Tweeting yes, live questions, no. I don't think he can distinguish between his rallies & pressers. He expects the same response from both audiences & is incensed that the media don't wear red hats. He looks like he's about a week away from imploding.

 

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Trump has hostility towards truth, facts, and reporters that professionally ask him questions that he is afraid to really answer because the answers and the truth expose him for the man of hate and incompetence that he really is.


The bizarre thing is he doesn't have to do press at all. How many months did we go w/o a press conference? He gave the impression that Pence would be taking questions & then Fauci/Birx. For one day, he made it sound like he was going to get off the stage & away from the heat. Tweeting yes, live questions, no. I don't think he can distinguish between his rallies & pressers. He expects the same response from both audiences & is incensed that the media don't wear red hats. He looks like he's about a week away from imploding.


It's really quite simple, Trump is an addict....He literally is addicted to attention and so he does anything necessary to get it. Whether that be constant boasting of things untrue, or trying to give the impression that we should listen to and give him attention because he has something thoughtful to say, or to hiring people who run tabloids to print false things about him simply for attention it garners him. For most of his adult life this has been the modes operand of Trump.

And so now, given he can't do his goofy rallies, he makes these daily "press conferences" his rally. The addict, after all, needs a fix when he begins withdrawal.


 

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Trump has hostility towards truth, facts, and reporters that professionally ask him questions that he is afraid to really answer because the answers and the truth expose him for the man of hate and incompetence that he really is.


The bizarre thing is he doesn't have to do press at all. How many months did we go w/o a press conference? He gave the impression that Pence would be taking questions & then Fauci/Birx. For one day, he made it sound like he was going to get off the stage & away from the heat. Tweeting yes, live questions, no. I don't think he can distinguish between his rallies & pressers. He expects the same response from both audiences & is incensed that the media don't wear red hats. He looks like he's about a week away from imploding.


Think about this. Has the latest in a long line of WH Press Secretaries, Stephanie Grisham ever done a presser? To my knowledge, the only place she's ever shown up was on State Run TV. They could save the taxpayers money and just eliminate her position, restablish the position when normalcy returns to the WH, and then the press will no longer be seen as enemy of the people.

 

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You donít have to tell us, go tell your idiot redhat friends.



I have. Liberal, progressive, moderate Libertarian, and Independent friends as well,. Some disagree with me, others do not. Seems that concept is as foreign as logic to you sometimes?

Cognitive dissonance.can be a M/F er

Go read the stimulus bill in its entirety and inform yourself instead of being influenced by the MSM as to what is exactly in it. I know it is a whole lot easier having someone else tell you stuff than taking time to see for yourself.

I try to have a cordial interaction with you and you always go to some silly left versus right response/reply?. I have Conservative views, Liberal views, Progressive views, Libertarian views, Moderate views, and even some Far Right views. I am not defined by any, one individually, In whole they make me who and what I am.

So please don't pigeonhole me thanks.

I hope you and your family stays safe & healthy, take care!

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because all weíve been hearing is how Trump is saving the United States from the evil Democrats. Now they are the same?


....and when the Democrats are in power, all we hear is they are saving the United States from the evil Republicans. If you can't/won't/don't see the correlation? Oh well. The reason why they are the same? Regardless of party affiliations, career politicians have many commonalities. Most are liars, cheats, and abuse their positions for personal gain at the expense of not only their constituents, but the taxpayers.

Research the yearly salary of career politicians, multiply that by now many years they have been in office, and you will see that most have a total wealth/net worth multiple times over median income.from their office in that timeframe. Both parties kiss major Corporate @$$ as well. So there are a couple of specifics, I could go on, but you won't agree. By the way, this is the second or third time I've explained this to you, and like already mentioned,you didn't agree then either. So it appears we have redundancy in common? I can admit to it...

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I suggest doing the adult thing. Call the person(s) out by name and the specific post and have the community, being board members and the alleged perpetrator discuss the actual post. Intent, context, and motive can be misconstrued easily by those quick to take offense at everything.


Really.


What isn't cordial about that? You asked for advice and it was given. Most adults talk a problem out and come to a solution, right. Going to an authoritative figure over something that isn't a policy violation and just a personal preference/opinion is not going to solve anything. It just causes more problems and presents one self to be some virtuous hero, better than others, and possessing a moral aptitude superior to others based on political ideology.
That is fine except virtues, morals, and worth of self vary from individual to individual. As long as somebody own morals, virtues, and ideologies don't violate Rowland's rules /guidelines, what exactly is the problem that adults can't talk about and find a solution? Adult 1) "it offended me when you said this" Adult 2) " thank you for bringing that to my attention. I will try not to say anything like that to you anymore". Isn't that better than saying, "dad... Billy did this" or calling 911 cause your feelings got hurt?

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