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  posted on 2/21/2018 at 12:14 PM
The most influential evangelist of the 20th century (and one of the most influential in history, regardless of century, at least as far back as the Apostle Paul) died today. He was 99.

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To me, it's no less appalling to read about the net worth of Billy Graham and his fellow preachers, than to read about the obscene salaries paid to many CEO's of major corporations, whose salaries are many times the value of the workers they employ.

http://www.newsweek.com/billy-graham-net-worth-814750

 

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  posted on 2/21/2018 at 06:27 PM
The dude rallied against rock and roll. The ABB played rock and roll. Just pointing out the irony.

 

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  posted on 2/21/2018 at 06:30 PM
Sorry to rain on the parade but I won't miss him. I'm glad he's gone. A horrible bigoted lying hypocrite.

 

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  posted on 2/21/2018 at 06:47 PM
I thought he died years ago??.
 

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  posted on 2/21/2018 at 06:51 PM
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To me, it's no less appalling to read about the net worth of Billy Graham and his fellow preachers, than to read about the obscene salaries paid to many CEO's of major corporations, whose salaries are many times the value of the workers they employ.

http://www.newsweek.com/billy-graham-net-worth-814750


It amazes me when I am in the US at how many channels have some guy preaching and asking for money.

Even more amazing when they supposedly "heal" people. How can you legally allow them to con people?

Lots of money in God.

 

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  posted on 2/21/2018 at 07:34 PM
There is a saying, 'to whom much is given, much is expected'. If he was granted wealth, then he was expected to us it for good purposes and he probably did do many good things. Reaching lost souls around the world takes lots of money for logistics. I don't know much about him other than he was an evangelist which is not an easy life until you have success/wealth.

People rail against Joel Osteen, but his wisdom will actually help you if you look into it.

 

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  posted on 2/21/2018 at 07:35 PM
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Sorry to rain on the parade but I won't miss him.


Ditto. Am I alone in thinking these people are nothing more than dollar driven predators?

R.I.P.

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To me, it's no less appalling to read about the net worth of Billy Graham and his fellow preachers, than to read about the obscene salaries paid to many CEO's of major corporations, whose salaries are many times the value of the workers they employ.

http://www.newsweek.com/billy-graham-net-worth-814750


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  posted on 2/21/2018 at 10:25 PM
Evangelical religion is a straight up scourge on humanity.

 

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  posted on 2/22/2018 at 07:20 AM
Thanks for posting Billastro.

I do not share most of the sentiments posted by others and I will just leave it at that.

He was more of the generation of my parents and grandparents for sure. I was very aware of what he was about being brought up in the church and having a Christian back ground.

 

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  posted on 2/22/2018 at 09:08 AM
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Thanks for posting Billastro.

I do not share most of the sentiments posted by others and I will just leave it at that.

He was more of the generation of my parents and grandparents for sure. I was very aware of what he was about being brought up in the church and having a Christian back ground.
You're welcome.

I figured correctly what most of the responses would be, so I'm not surprised. I thought highly of him and think he did tremendous good for humanity.

For those who consider Christianity a detriment to humanity, consider that Christians were the driving force that ended slavery in England and the USA; that they established science as we know it (Galileo, Newton, and virtually all the foundational scientists were Christians); they introduced charity and compassion (nonexistent in the other first-century cultures); and much more.

If someone thinks the world would be better off without Christianity/God, look at North Korea. Also look at the effects caused by Stalin and Mao: communism (with its hard-core atheistic foundation) led to the deaths of at least 100 million people during the 20th century.

I'll take Jesus over anyone or anything else.

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  posted on 2/22/2018 at 09:53 AM
The majority here has it right.

Charleton, homophobe, silent on civil rights until way too late.

His facist son Franklin so much worse.

Always standing in the schoolhouse door, always on the wrong side of history.

 

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  posted on 2/22/2018 at 10:22 AM
An awful human being who contributed nothing to the advancement of society. IMO
 

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  posted on 2/22/2018 at 10:41 AM
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For those who consider Christianity a detriment to humanity, consider that Christians were the driving force that ended slavery in England and the USA; that they established science as we know it (Galileo, Newton, and virtually all the foundational scientists were Christians); they introduced charity and compassion (nonexistent in the other first-century cultures); and much more.



This is how lines get crossed. I haven't read one post here disparaging Christianity, only the man who made a pile of money from it. Defend Billy if you wish, but no one attacked religion itself. Also, what you say about Charity is not true at all.

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  posted on 2/22/2018 at 01:28 PM
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Thanks for posting Billastro.

I do not share most of the sentiments posted by others and I will just leave it at that.

He was more of the generation of my parents and grandparents for sure. I was very aware of what he was about being brought up in the church and having a Christian back ground.
You're welcome.

I figured correctly what most of the responses would be, so I'm not surprised. I thought highly of him and think he did tremendous good for humanity.

For those who consider Christianity a detriment to humanity, consider that Christians were the driving force that ended slavery in England and the USA; that they established science as we know it (Galileo, Newton, and virtually all the foundational scientists were Christians); they introduced charity and compassion (nonexistent in the other first-century cultures); and much more.

If someone thinks the world would be better off without Christianity/God, look at North Korea. Also look at the effects caused by Stalin and Mao: communism (with its hard-core atheistic foundation) led to the deaths of at least 100 million people during the 20th century.

I'll take Jesus over anyone or anything else.

Billastro
Jesus would not support an anti- semite like graham.

 

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  posted on 2/22/2018 at 01:46 PM
Nobody's perfect. He brought inspiration and hope to many. A candle in the darkness. Rest in peace.

btw the following needs to be addressed, it is unfair, and incorrect::

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silent on civil rights until way too late.


wiki:
"He insisted on racial integration for his revivals and crusades in 1953 and invited Martin Luther King Jr. to preach jointly at a revival in New York City in 1957. Graham bailed King out of jail in the 1960s when King was arrested in demonstrations."



"Had it not been for the ministry of my good friend Dr. Billy Graham, my work in the Civil Rights Movement would not have been as successful as it has been.” - MLK











 

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they introduced charity and compassion (nonexistent in the other first-century cultures)


These ideas were pillars of earliest Buddhist thought.


prayer from the Itivuttaka, ~5th century BC

...for the happiness of many people, out of compassion for the world, for the good, welfare, and happiness of many people …







 

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For those who consider Christianity a detriment to humanity, consider that Christians were the driving force that ended slavery in England and the USA; that they established science as we know it (Galileo, Newton, and virtually all the foundational scientists were Christians); they introduced charity and compassion (nonexistent in the other first-century cultures); and much more.



This is how lines get crossed. I haven't read one post here disparaging Christianity, only the man who made a pile of money from it. Defend Billy if you wish, but no one attacked religion itself. Also, what you say about Charity is not true at all.



Amen

I got a laugh at that not so subtle twist.

Christianity is a pretty broad term and definitely not reduced to an accept Billy Graham or renounce your Christianity ideal.

In fact, people who use religion to profit on the poor, gullible and those that don't know better are against my Christian values and Jesus agreed with me.

Selling a face cloth as a Religious Prayer Cloth? Seniors just sending their cash - c'mon guys? Really?

I leave everyone to their beliefs but can't really see anyone being able to accept the wealth he acquired using God. To each his own I guess.

But spare us the preaching or pretending to be a better Christian stuff. That alone is against Christian beliefs.

Too bad Billy didn't leave all of his money to those in need.

 

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  posted on 2/23/2018 at 07:21 AM
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I figured correctly what most of the responses would be, so I'm not surprised.

Now that you've made clear your intent to rile folks up with this thread.... I regret taking the bait.


If I read the initial post correctly., I believe there was no intention to rile folks up. It was just a statement about someone passing away. Pretty harmless IMHO. If you don like something or a topic ,don't read it. We all have that option to hit the "off " button.

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Thanks for posting Billastro.

I do not share most of the sentiments posted by others and I will just leave it at that.

He was more of the generation of my parents and grandparents for sure. I was very aware of what he was about being brought up in the church and having a Christian back ground.
You're welcome.

I figured correctly what most of the responses would be, so I'm not surprised. I thought highly of him and think he did tremendous good for humanity.

For those who consider Christianity a detriment to humanity, consider that Christians were the driving force that ended slavery in England and the USA; that they established science as we know it (Galileo, Newton, and virtually all the foundational scientists were Christians); they introduced charity and compassion (nonexistent in the other first-century cultures); and much more.

If someone thinks the world would be better off without Christianity/God, look at North Korea. Also look at the effects caused by Stalin and Mao: communism (with its hard-core atheistic foundation) led to the deaths of at least 100 million people during the 20th century.

I'll take Jesus over anyone or anything else.

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  posted on 2/23/2018 at 07:45 AM
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/sorry-joy-behar-prayer-and-belief-are-not -mental-illnesses/article/2649673


Legend has it that George Washington had a prophetic vision at Valley Forge, promising him victory and a new nation. His soldiers seemingly survived that winter by a miracle.

Someone call the ladies at ABC’s "The View," because they must have something snarky to say about this just in time for Lent. Joy Behar’s views on faith and prayer hold that our first president might have suffered from mental illness. When discussing Vice President Mike Pence, she declared last week on the show that “it’s one thing to talk to Jesus. It’s another thing when Jesus talks to you.” That was just before she proclaimed such faith in action to be a “mental illness.”

Washington wasn’t alone. Ben Franklin, John and Abigail Adams, Susan B. Anthony, Fredrick Douglas, Abraham Lincoln, and countless other American leaders were and are guided each day by their relationship with Jesus Christ. Pence is the current target of the liberal press only because he dares to openly profess his vibrant Christian faith.

Pence and our early American leaders are in good company. According to the Pew Forum, over 70 percent of Americans identify as Christian. Also according to Pew, more than half, 55 percent, of Americans say they pray daily, and another 21 percent say they pray weekly or monthly.

Christians are imperfect, but they struggle to follow Christ’s teachings through a life that honors God. Sometimes they are misunderstood in that pursuit, as Christ himself predicted. Pence was torn to pieces by the liberal press when he said he does not dine alone with other women besides his wife. Imagine the families that could have been saved if other husbands, and wives, had set firm boundaries that helped them avoid a trajectory that eventually led to family dissolution. Am I naive to believe that most unfaithful spouses fall into error spontaneously rather than carefully planning their infidelity in advance?

In the last year, scandal involving sexual misconduct on the part of powerful men has rightfully rocked this nation. Every major industry and institution from Congress to the media has had their #MeToo moments, leaving the American people to shake their heads in disgust. One would think that, politics aside, a man who strives to live a life above reproach and to please God would earn our respect. Apparently, not so much in some circles.

As I wrote in my book, Feisty and Feminine, I dislike using the words “God told me,” because I normally only know what God’s thinking through the Bible. But I do believe I once experienced God’s miraculous direction. In the moment just before a strange man attacked and attempted to rape me years ago on a running path in Virginia, “God told me” (not audibly, but clearly in my thoughts) to pause and allow the man to pass instead of heading down an obstructed embankment. That split-second hesitation meant that a passing motorist saw the attack that subsequently occurred, and was able to save me from being raped or worse. Skeptics are free to think it was my gut or intuition — I know it was the Holy Spirit.

Christians' imperfections are not a license for others the right to mock and ridicule our faith — especially in our honest efforts to do right. Pence said it best in his response: “It’s an insult not to me, but to the vast majority of American people who, like me, cherish their faith. … It’s simply wrong.” It’s fine for us to disagree, but it is nothing short of pure anti-Christian bigotry to suggest that either my experience or the experience of millions of other Christians is mental illness. Shame on Joy Behar, shame on her co-hosts for not defending Pence, and shame on ABC.

Penny Nance is president and CEO of Concerned Women for America.

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  posted on 2/23/2018 at 02:17 PM
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they introduced charity and compassion (nonexistent in the other first-century cultures)


This is a key point, as believing that one's religion "invented" an innate positive human trait can lead to viewing other people and belief systems as inferior unless they are converted to your religion - the attitude that led to the destruction of other "lesser" cultures in the Christian zeal for conquest and conversion.

Spiritual traditions did not "invent", but codified the already present trait of "compassion" as a virtue long before Christianity came about. Here is an interesting paleo-archaeological perspective that shows that religious belief systems were based on human traits going back to the beginning:


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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/neanderthals-had-sense-of-compass ion-2098270.html

Neanderthals 'had sense of compassion'


The days of using the term "Neanderthal" as an insult may be on the way out as research published today shows the early humans had a deep-seated sense of compassion.

A team from the University of York examined archaeological evidence for the way emotions began to emerge in our ancestors and then developed to modern people.

One of the key findings of the research shows how, in Europe between around 500,000 and 40,000 years ago, early humans such as Homo heidelbergensis and Neanderthals developed commitments to the welfare of others illustrated by a long adolescence and a dependence on hunting together.

The injured or infirm were routinely cared for in this period, according to the findings

Remains examined by the university's Department of Archaeology researchers revealed how a child with a congenital brain abnormality was not abandoned but lived until five or six years old and shows how a Neanderthal with a withered arm, deformed feet and blindness in one eye was cared for, perhaps for as long as 20 years.

The four-stage model developed by Penny Spikins, Andy Needham and Holly Rutherford charts the beginnings of human empathy from six million years ago when the common ancestor of humans and chimpanzees began to "help" others, perhaps with a gesture of comfort or moving a branch to allow them to pass.

Compassion in Homo erectus 1.8 million years ago began to be regulated as an emotion integrated with rational thought, the researchers said.

Care of sick individuals showed compassion towards others while special treatment of the dead suggested grief at the loss of a loved one and a desire to soothe individuals.

In modern humans starting 120,000 years ago, compassion was extended to strangers, animals, objects and abstract concepts.

Dr Spikins, who led the study, said new research developments such as neuro-imaging have enabled archaeologists to attempt a scientific explanation of what were once intangible feelings of ancient humans.

She said: "Compassion is perhaps the most fundamental human emotion.

"It binds us together and can inspire us but it is also fragile and elusive. This apparent fragility makes addressing the evidence for the development of compassion in our most ancient ancestors a unique challenge, yet the archaeological record has an important story to tell about the prehistory of compassion.

"We have traditionally paid a lot of attention to how early humans thought about each other, but it may well be time to pay rather more attention to whether or not they 'cared'."

The research is published in the journal Time and Mind and Dr Spikins will give a free public lecture at the University of York on Tuesday October 19.


 

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  posted on 2/23/2018 at 07:55 PM
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Sorry to rain on the parade but I won't miss him. I'm glad he's gone. A horrible bigoted lying hypocrite.


I actually agree with you.

Disgusting that he gets to lie in state.

Separation of church and state?

Not with these clowns.

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  posted on 2/24/2018 at 12:18 AM
if there is a god who is all powerful it makes no sense that he/she/it needs perverts, grifters and liars to spread any message. let alone be part of a church that enables then protects pedophiles.

sick little cult is what it is.

if billy graham told a single note of truth and followed what he read he'd have given all his wealth away.





 
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